Gotway EX.N - speed version - no suspension

[AtlasP]

On 11/18/2020 at 2:34 PM, One Wheel Man said:

The EX really isn't a copy of the S18 or V11.  It's in an entire different category of performance.  The S18 has around a 1,100 watt hour battery...EX has 2,700 watt hours.  The S18 goes around 30mph.  The EX isn't an S18 knockoff at all...it's in an entirely different performance and range category.

The mental gymnastics here never cease to amaze. *Of course* the EX was direct knee-jerk response to the V11 & S18--a very rushed and poorly thrown-together suspension, cobbled together with other usual Gotway high-performance tech. The fact that the subset of its more usual Gotway tech puts it in a different category of performance and range doesn't change the fact that the wheel's very existence was a direct response to the V11 & S18, and an extremely-poorly-reviewed one at that.

Edited November 20, 2020 by AtlasP

[AtlasP]

So this is an EX-less EX. But which is not a RS/MSPro. But using the RS motor instead of the EX motor. And also not a Monster Pro.

It's like watching a person go through some kind of trauma (the successful back-to-back V11 & Veteran launches this year were obviously traumatic for Gotway) and as a result of the stress some of their worst idiosyncratic behavioral traits become even more extreme/pronounced (Gotway's usual lack of cohesive product lineup/narrative or release cadence, now seemingly cranked to 11).

*insert gif of Gotway rocking back and forth in fetal position while looking at a spreadsheet of 15 new variations on the same ugly MSX shell*

Edited November 23, 2020 by AtlasP

[Planemo]

4 hours ago, AtlasP said:

It's like watching a person go through some kind of trauma

 

4 hours ago, AtlasP said:

(Gotway's general lack of cohesive product lineup/narrative or release cadence, which they've always had, but now seemingly cranked to 11)

 

4 hours ago, AtlasP said:

*insert gif of Gotway in fetal position rocking back and forth while looking at a spreadsheet of 15 new variations on the same ugly MSX shell*

I've only quoted all that cos it was so pant-wettingly funny.

And I'm a Gotway rider.

[EMA]

22 hours ago, AtlasP said:

*insert gif of Gotway in fetal position rocking back and forth while looking at a spreadsheet of 15 new variations on the same ugly MSX shell*

that was fun 

but thanks god we have this shell 

[Ben Kim]

On 11/18/2020 at 6:16 PM, Nick McCutcheon said:

Good point, I have noticed the Sherman speed is pretty inflated compared to GPS speeds. If the EX speed is more true to life, it could dethrone the Sherman as the speed king along with Monster Pro!

6% slower if you use the eucworld correction, but that’s based off a 1hz receiver so real world difference is probably 3-4% slower. 

For reference, Gotways (sans the Nikola) also reports higher than actual speeds. 

[RagingGrandpa]

On 11/20/2020 at 4:39 AM, buell47 said:

I'm interested in EX.N with 2700wh and RS Torque motor

I'm personally experienced with the type of riding were 100V C30 is insufficient and C38 is necessary (in brief: hilly black-diamond singletrack for 200lb riders) ...
but you're asking for that kind of (aggressive offroad) terrain with even more range? And with the penalty of even more weight?

In my experience 1800wh in a suspensionless EUC provides at least 3 hours of such challenging riding, after which even the most seasoned riders' legs are fatigued from shock absorption. Battery range has only been a limit for on-road travel.
Weight is awful for hopping the inevitable fallen logs.

You own an MSP C38...
Could you help me understand- what type of riding do you encounter where C30 is insufficient?

[EUC Custom Power-Pads]

Do you have a special question I can help you with, or do you just want to know why I have certain preferences? 

[Michael Tucker]

I want the EX as being produced right now just without the suspension. I ride in the Santa Cruz Mountain Range and lower foothills where the slopes can be short and choppy with lots of tight turns and also long straight aways and long steep inclines. The MSP-HT is amazingly up to the challenge! It is one thing to experience its acceleration on flat ground in the city (which is its own thrill), but the high torque motor's strength is instantly apparent in the mountains where I can easily ride wildly fast for 2 hours and still come back home at 45% under load. In the mountains it's better to measure time not distance in riding. Flat, fast riding definitely eats the battery faster on high torque motors.

[EUC Custom Power-Pads]

50 minutes ago, Ben Kim said:

6% slower if you use the eucworld correction, but that’s based off a 1hz receiver so real world difference is probably 3-4% slower.

Are you telling us now that you are not able to keep the speed for more than one second?

Sounds more like Sherman Fanboy world instead of real world. 

Edited December 3, 2020 by buell47

[RagingGrandpa]

1 hour ago, buell47 said:

Do you have a special question I can help you with, or do you just want to know why I have certain preferences? 

The second one

I'm personally interested in all the situations where C38 is warranted, especially as a basis to answer questions like "buy HT, or HS?" (which comes up frequently).

[EUC Custom Power-Pads]

26 minutes ago, RagingGrandpa said:

The second one

I'm personally interested in all the situations where C38 is warranted, especially as a basis to answer questions like "buy HT, or HS?" (which comes up frequently).

Unfortunately I can't test a MSP/RS with a C30 motor here to see if it meets my requirements. I can only buy and test it myself. On the one hand I want both, best torque and highest speed, because on my usual tours I always have mixed terrain.

So there is no point in buying a torque and a speed version, which would be no problem, but I can't solve my problem this way.

So I have to decide what is most important to me. 

A hard decision if you want it all, but I know where I have the most fun and that are difficult trails through the woods. We don't have a lot of mountains here, not even steep ones, so it's not about whether I have doubts that a C30 won't make it, it's about how it will make it. 

I defitively prefer torque and acceleration in the lower speed range instead of higher top speed 50+kmh. I also think that the torque version at speeds up to 45-50kmh protects me better from a faceplant when I ride over bumps or jump over hills. Just going fast is not my thing, but the aggressive braking before a corner/tree/obstacle at the last moment and accelerating out of the curve, that's my thing. 

 

[Ben Kim]

2 hours ago, buell47 said:

Are you telling us now that you are not able to keep the speed for more than one second?

Sounds more like Sherman Fanboy world instead of real world. 

no what it means is the refresh rate of a phone GPS won’t ever record the highest point of any particular speed, and picks intervals of 1hz (1 second)

Not sure how I’m a Veteran fanboy when I’ve owned an MCM5, Mten3, Monster and Nikola, with a Monster Pro on order. Sounds like an ignoramus who don’t understand the shortcomings of a 1hz GPS. 

[EMA]

1 hour ago, RagingGrandpa said:

The second one

I'm personally interested in all the situations where C38 is warranted, especially as a basis to answer questions like "buy HT, or HS?" (which comes up frequently).

HT or HS is not about what a wheel can do or not becouse they can do all, no doubt, it's about rider preference. All 84v wheels like mcm5 and tesla can do all the hills you want, expecially the evergreen 84v msx. 100v wheels has a bit more...

pick HT or HS thinking about your usual speed-range and your environment, flat or not

@buell47 explain the difference really well imho !

[Michael Tucker]

I went from an MSX 84V to a Nikola 100V to an MSP-HT over a one year period. The difference in paved mountain road and paved long flat roads and paved fast stop and go city traffic is definitely noticeable in each wheel.

The MSX 84V gave me beeps at 30 mph at 50% battery and became sluggish in stop and go traffic and I could do paved mountain roads at 25mph on 100% battery before the pedals became unresponsive. Noticeable pedal dips on extreme turns with inclines.

The Nikola 100V never felt slow in stop and go traffic even at 30% and I never got beeps from it even at 35mph at 50%. I could do 30mph in the paved mountain roads. Pedal dips noticeable on steep turns but recovered quickly.

The MSP-HT feels a little sluggish in stop and go traffic below 50% and I get beeps at 38mph on 100%. I can do 35mph on paved mountain roads at any steepness!!!!  Pedal dips are barely noticeable and recover effortlessly. Slow oscillation is present at high speed and 100% and hard mode, although the feeling to me is more of the motor rearing to go and being overly excited rather than the motor wavering low power and at 80% battery the oscillation is gone.

Each wheel definitely has clear performance differences and I am hoping for an EX-N to top the paved mountain road performance of the MSP-HT.

[RagingGrandpa]

(I enjoy the HS vs HT distinction but it's off-topic for the EX thread; please see below)

 

[Flying W]

8 hours ago, RagingGrandpa said:

The second one

I'm personally interested in all the situations where C38 is warranted, especially as a basis to answer questions like "buy HT, or HS?" (which comes up frequently).

Here's a use case that may only apply to very small group of idiots like me.

I use the wheel to push a stroller. My one year has gone on way longer adventures than I ever could if I was trying to walk or jog. The extra weight of jogging stroller combined with the hilly area I live in males the extra torque appreciated. Especially going down hill trying to stop. 

Slowing the whole rig down from 20mph down hill needs the extra torque. 

My wife doesn't think there are too many others as stupid as I am to do what me and the one yr old boy do but he loves it, he giggles and he also has no clue what will happen if we eat do do.

He also gets pissed at walking speed now hahaha

[Michael Tucker]

3 hours ago, Flying W said:

Here's a use case that may only apply to very small group of idiots like me.

I use the wheel to push a stroller. My one year has gone on way longer adventures than I ever could if I was trying to walk or jog. The extra weight of jogging stroller combined with the hilly area I live in males the extra torque appreciated. Especially going down hill trying to stop. 

Slowing the whole rig down from 20mph down hill needs the extra torque. 

My wife doesn't think there are too many others as stupid as I am to do what me and the one yr old boy do but he loves it, he giggles and he also has no clue what will happen if we eat do do.

He also gets pissed at walking speed now hahaha

I do the same (stroller for 16 month old), but just on city streets so far. The stroller I use is a Mountain Buggy Urban Jungle (3 wheel). I use my KS16X. I started with Mten3 and stroller, but had a brown-out trying to go over a crease in the sidewalk from a stand-still. I then tried my KS16S and that was much better but that wheel makes a high-pitch whine that bothered me and the tire is a little paltry for me and the stroller. The KS16X is perfect. Very maneuverable at low speed (I only go between 8 and 10 mph on the sidewalk), dead silent, big planted tire, and the firmware is incredible with stiff pedals and no vibration at very low speed, but high torque situations.

I love to take the KS16X into the mountains (without the stroller) because its so quiet, but 25mph is the realistic performance limit of that wheel. The sound is a big deal to me and all the video's of the EX seem to show a silent motor and tire combination. If I could combine the low-end performance of the KS16X and the high-end performance of the MSP-HT and add a few more miles to the range and top speed, I would think/hope that would have been the EX-N.

 

[Flying W]

@Michael Tucker8 to 10mph is my normal cruise speed too. I wish I was a kid now! Best stroller rides ever 🙂

I also used a 16s for a while, then started using an mcm5. Tried with the RS HT today. The RS needs power pad to stop as good as the mcm5. It's so much larger that it can hot the back of the stroller if breaking hard. 

I can't wait to wheel with him though like Brandon and how Dad. 

Nice stroller you have there!

[Kekafuch]

Could be a typo but there’s 4 reputable AliExpress dealers listing the EXN with the 3500W hollow core motor vs it reportedly having the 2600W from the RS. 
 

C$ 3,158.76 | 2021 GotWay EX.N Electric Unicycle 100V/2700WH 3500W Hollow motor Monowheel No-load speed 86km/h Duty Free Max speed 60km/h EXN
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mPZHJk9

 

 

[RagingGrandpa]

On 11/18/2020 at 5:05 AM, EMA said:

and

On 10/28/2020 at 10:33 AM, RagingGrandpa said:

With regard to the "continuous power rating" (2000W, 2500W, 2600W, etc), please ignore it because it has no direct impact on speed nor acceleration.

 

[Kekafuch]

9 hours ago, RagingGrandpa said:

and

 

The motor of the 3500W motor in EX and Monster is definitely different than the RS spec. In tear down videos it has alot more copper.  If the EXN is simply a suspensionless EX then it would be a “baby torquier sherman” vs an expanded battery RS as your specs show. 
 

 

[meepmeepmayer]

If you trust the pictures, you can see from the rim that it is an RS motor. The RS motor is a "16 inch" motor and has the rim ring to expand to "18 inch" size, just like on the RS. The EX motor is a genuine "18 inch" motor (it also has 40mm wide and more magnets).

So this is an expanded RS.

Not sure why they didn't just use the EX motor, it seems to be pretty nice going by the suspension-EX reviews.

I'm also puzzled why they prioritize this over the Monster Pro.

[Kekafuch]

On 12/5/2020 at 2:26 AM, meepmeepmayer said:

If you trust the pictures, you can see from the rim that it is an RS motor. The RS motor is a "16 inch" motor and has the rim ring to expand to "18 inch" size, just like on the RS. The EX motor is a genuine "18 inch" motor (it also has 40mm wide and more magnets).

So this is an expanded RS.

Not sure why they didn't just use the EX motor, it seems to be pretty nice going by the suspension-EX reviews.

I'm also puzzled why they prioritize this over the Monster Pro.

One of the retailers on AliExpress messaged me back. They confirmed the $3100 Cdn EXN listed is with the EX/Monster 3500w motor and not the RS motor.  They currently list it with EX photos. $800cdn less than the EX. 
 

edit - they messaged back saying sorry, its 2800w motor.  ok still a decent wheel if the price is right. 

Edited December 7, 2020 by Kekafuch

[Grooveman64]

On 12/4/2020 at 9:20 AM, Kekafuch said:

Could be a typo but there’s 4 reputable AliExpress dealers listing the EXN with the 3500W hollow core motor vs it reportedly having the 2600W from the RS. 
 

C$ 3,158.76 | 2021 GotWay EX.N Electric Unicycle 100V/2700WH 3500W Hollow motor Monowheel No-load speed 86km/h Duty Free Max speed 60km/h EXN
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mPZHJk9

 

 

EX.N specs from Official Begode website: http://www.begode.com/productinfo/557433.html

It is NOT 3500w motor for sure, but 2800w as you found out.  The Chicway Store on AliExpress got many things wrong on their EX.N page... including the no load speed, which should be 105 kph...

[meepmeepmayer]

2nd alarm at 45kph instead of 35! Still no freely choosable alarm speeds, but better than before.