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On 4/29/2021 at 8:26 AM, Killian253 said:

My monster pro just started knocking real bad after only 300 miles. Do we know the problem is for certain just bearing misalignment?

When did you purchase the Monster Pro? Mine got out of production 2 weeks ago and now I am concerned..

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On 29/4/2021 at 23:22, EMA said:

EXN ya tiene el motor actualizado, debería estar bien, solo recuerde:

deslizar un poco el motor hacia afuera y sellar la parte posterior de la placa
sellar los orificios debajo de la luz de fondo
sellar el orificio del cable del motor

para aquellos que necesitan espaciadores, he actualizado los archivos en la carpeta compartida https://www.dropbox.com/sh/mxui67e2qkdgvff/AAAF5e8MY2qioHy6xacJicrJa?dl=0

recomiendo espaciadores de 1 mm para problemas de golpes, bloquee los rodamientos en las cubiertas y use uno espaciador a cada lado, cada motor que arreglé así funciona bien (RS y EX).

(M24pro tiene un motor EX con tamaño de rodamiento RS, así que no lo sé)

También he puesto una cubierta simple para la versión de motor nueva y antigua si alguien quiere probar.

Thanks a lot

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5 hours ago, MegaObi said:

Is there anything we can do to prevent failures on hollow motor bearings?
 

 

Not ride in mud ,wet ,water ,high ,humidity andsand or dust. This EUC is for ideal weatherer and ideal road conditons this say user manual.

Simply say this types EUC are just toys not real comuters comapre to "old" EUC standard what we experience before holow bore motor "ubgrade".

Shure many owners say no mine is great becasue they no have any problems but you be belive them?  Holow bore motor have some great advantages and future is there i think but actual implementation need more precise engenering solution.

In reality all is about money great "big" bearings cost easy 200+ dolars/eur or more. Then manufacturer need save money and buy something(chinese standard) for 10 to 50 dollars and results is problems.

Again holow bore motor is future advantages is hudge compare to "small" bearings no discusion about i respect that.

Personaly when i see someone 220+ LBS who have holow bore motor over 4000+ Miles /Km riding like comuter in "normal" world and  all time maintereance free bearing im sold :efefa6edcf::eff006f726::clap3:

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Ride it only in clinical hospital environment or waterproof the bearing with custom homemade 3D printed seals. 😁

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On 8/15/2021 at 3:37 AM, EMA said:

latest generation of Begode motors with smaller hole and bearing :

c38 weight     11.7 kg
c40 from EX   14.5 kg

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Nice! Would you still put the 3D bearing covers on these?

i should be getting my exn this month so I figured I’d open it up and waterproof it.

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I'm of the opinion that the bearings need to be protected from the elements to mitigate dirt and water intrusion.  You may not have a problem with the smaller bearings being exposed, but it can't hurt to give them an extra layer of protection.  Also, I'd repack them with marine grade grease.  It will add drag which might affect efficiency a little, but the stuff is terrific at repelling moisture.  Just some food for thought.

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Just be careful when repacking bearings with new grease.  You have to get all the old grease out before applying new grease (unless its the same type of grease).  Sometimes the difference types of grease will not mix well and actually gunk up and ruin the bearings.  I found this out the hard way when applying the marine grade grease.  Lucky I caught it early fixed it before it was a problem.  

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My RS has just passed 1100 miles. I have 1000 miles on my replacement bearings. I repacked them with marine grease and drilled drain holes in the flange. My RS is a second batch. The climate around here is mostly wet. I've ridden in some heavy rain with no problems. The problem with the cheap oem bearings is they are packed with petroleum jelly. 

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I have a first gen RS, almost all dry conditions. 1500 miles so far, I didn't repack the bearings so they seem to do ok of dry. I do have marine grease on the outside.

The centrifugal force pushes the grease into the area where the dust would buildup since I didn't drill holes in the cover. I don't know if it helps or of the stock seals keep dust out fine on their own. 

It's been so dry out in southern California that some of the trail dust is like baby powder. 

When I do need bearings I'm going make sure they aren't filled with Vaseline :facepalm:

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the problem with 1st gen motor is that dust and dirt can't go outside becouse part of side motor cover the bearing.

EUC Bros made an excellent video on bearings and how to drill holes on the side motor panel, 2nd and 3rd gen of the motor do not have this issue becouse the bearing are exposed, water and dirt can't do anything.

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I have the 2nd gen and I had to drill the drain holes. After drilling the holes and repacking the bearings I've had no issues. It's very wet where I live for 9 months out of the year. We're back to being very wet until next year. My RS has been very wet and it still functioning fine. Yesterday I was riding in moderate rain. I've been taking the side panels off to inspect for water ingress. So far I haven't had any. I've been lazy and I haven't put any silicone anywhere. I did tape a rubber flap over the power switch using electrical tape. The rubber came from a blown out bicycle inner tube. I don't trust the power switch. I need to source a better one. I also tape over the charge port cover with electrical tape. I need to also source some schotkey diodes to fix Gotway's lazy engineering. Rain and hot charger ports are asking for a face plant.

 

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Forgot to mention I drilled 2 drain holes in each side of the bottom inner shell. I'm going to do the same with the monster pro I just got. I'm not going to repack those bearings. My monster pro has the small bearings that are being used on all current production RS and EXN. To get name brand bearings in the size of" 6012 2rs" is around $40.00 US per bearing. My RS bearings which are" 61824 2rs" are around $350.00 US per bearing. That's why I repacked the cheap replacement ones. 

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It's crazy that's it's cheaper to just replace the 1st gen RS motors with the current one over getting good name brand bearings. 

I'm lucky that it's dry where I live. No holes drilled but marine greased. So far so good at 1550 miles. I still love the RST! 

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I got stuck in a bit of a torrential downpour on my way home (4.5miles) a month or so ago to the point that there was pools of water in on the inside when I opened the shell and I still am going strong on the original bearing from my batch 1 RS

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3 hours ago, Flying W said:

I'm lucky that it's dry where I live. No holes drilled but marine greased. So far so good at 1550 miles.

I had my batch 1 RSS to 2100 miles in SoCal before I sold it. Ran smooth like day 1 without any issues. Did light off-roading, mostly pavement. Really just if one can be lucky or not.

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Haven't worked on larger bearings but from experience with smaller ones, it's a big risk just lifting the seals as any deformation to the seals caused by the prying could provide contamination a way in. All it takes is a tiny gap.

That's often why repacked bearings don't last as long as new ones.

If only it were possible to order replacement seals. That would help.

A word on noname bearings. If the tolerances are poor and the play between inner and outer race is large, you can never get a good seal because the lip can't stay in contact at all times. A bearing with little play and full contact seals would be a good replacement, if someone is looking for affordable options.

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No one reported new issues regarding hollow bore motors. So can we say that at least the new Begode motors whith the smaller hollows are safe to ride and to maintain?

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23 minutes ago, Boris Lämpel said:

No one reported new issues regarding hollow bore motors. So can we say that at least the new Begode motors whith the smaller hollows are safe to ride and to maintain?

Safe to ride sure, but with no additional protection outside the bearings count on dirt and water getting in there sooner or later making them noisy and possibly making them perform worse.

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1 hour ago, Boris Lämpel said:

No one reported new issues regarding hollow bore motors. So can we say that at least the new Begode motors whith the smaller hollows are safe to ride and to maintain?

i've not hear any kind of problems with latest gen, i have personally both version (EXN) with small and big bearing with 5000+km and they are running fine without issues

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