Is is time that Trump got himself some 'big boy' pants?

[atdlzpae]

1 hour ago, LanghamP said:

Historically, one would only do that when attempting a military coup, and the US army does strongly lean right-wing. Also historically, Trump has tried to invoke the Insurrection Act but was prevented from doing so by the civilian Pentagon leaders.

As you can see, it changes every 2 years or so. Obama himself changed the Secretary of Defense 3 times during his term.
Under Secretary of Defense for Policy is also swapped every few years on average.

If Biden wins, he'll swap them anyway, right? I don't see much of a problem here, Trump is still gonna be a president for 2 months.

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There isn't even a hint of any transitional team and that's unusual.

Regardless of what the media is saying, Trump hasn't lost yet, although his chances are really small (10% according to predictit.org).

Remember than in 2000 (Bush vs Gore) the transition also didn't start until the legal battles were over.
If Trump blocks Biden after Electoral College (on December 14), then it's gonna be fishy, not before.

Edited November 15, 2020 by atdlzpae

[Circuitmage]

Ok, I'll bite...my more than $.02 on this completely political question;

Trump has been the worst thing to happen to America, ever, period. Every single day of his 4 years, every single thing he has done has been destructive. I see nothing that he has done as beneficial. What I do see is, 1) Him firing experienced professionals that actually know what they are doing, 2) Throwing personal temper tantrums every single day. 3) Enacting policies that are completely destructive.

What's worse, is he somehow actually has the backing of a significant number (but vastly fewer minority) of the people. I understand he has a lot of supporters, but for the life of me cannot understand why. I am left only with the fact that most of his supports believe they will (somehow) be better off (have they really been??) , more "white", and fascist (based on all of his policies of isolationism, corporate greed, censorship of media, etc.). It appears to be some kind of "club" mentality...where if you are part of that club then you are "OK"....I just don't see any reason to be part of that club.

From "grab em by the pu**y" to his present day completely baseless rants about voter fraud, his administration will go down in history as the worst ever. 

In the comments I see justifications of the following couple of points, and my POV response;

1) Not having government run healthcare. 1st, I don't believe there are many people advocating "government run". I do believe there are LOTS of reforms needed, and Trump has done NOTHING to improve things. If you think repealing Obamacare is good, then you must simply enjoy cutting more people out of the healthcare system. Obamacare was a move forward. Trump has no plan, never had a plan, and never will. I think health care is the #1 issues we have (as made obvious in 2020) and if you are unwilling to consider alternatives to what we have now, then you are part of the problem. His response to the pandemic is a great example. And yes, reform may mean change, real change...even (*gasp*) socialized change. Stop and ask yourself what a real healthcare system should look like. If you really want to keep it like it is, priced out of 90% of the market and serving on the rich few, that is not healthcare...it's just anther way to keep people poor.

2) Climate change. This is probably my #2 issue. Being a denier of climate changes rings in harmony with those that said smoking is actually good for you, and we should keep lead in gasoline and paint. The only people that want to keep burning fossil fuels are the industries making billions of $$ off of it every year. And yes, I am aware that there are a lot people in the oil and gas industry making tons of money on it and want to keep it going (I live in Texas after all where it seems like 1/3 of everyone is involved with that industry). But again, if you don't see the writing on the wall of what it is doing and has been doing  to our environment, then you are simply in denial. Saying the economic impacts would be worse for the US than taking a leadership role is simply sticking your head in the sand and hoping it goes away (which is what the Trump administration is doing). And going against science to make a few more bucks is complete lunacy. There is plenty of science showing that it is human made influence affecting our environment. In the news today, Trump is appointing a climate change denier to office....right before he leaves.

My personal political views are pretty centric. But from my POV, the republican party has completely lost it's way. It's gone from a pro corporate (mildly fascist) ideology (which it successfully completed in the 80's and 90's) to a more radical (completely fascist) ideology of the right forcing Christian ideals into our governmental policies, senseless censorship of the media, speaking untruths daily,  and  "take from the poor , give to the rich" ideal. This is just want I see. The push back from the left is countered as some kind of wall blocking progress and appears to be impeding any kind of compromise. I am more sympathetic to the left having to push back against what I see as an insane rhetoric of Trumpism. So yes, you can say I now lean left...when I did not before.

All his other actions speak louder than words; the wall is a joke, his support of white supremist organizations is obvious, his verbal put downs of the military (on Veteran's day no less), political isolationism (which goes against the very function of "politics"....why even have a political leader...he wants to be a dictator and nothing more ), hiring and firing his own thugs (or forcing them to quit),  the list goes on and on and on and on.... 

So, am I happy he will be gone? You betcha! No longer having to wake up every single day to cringe at another sociopathic , egomania driven, insane act from our leader will be a nice break. I'm looking forward to it and hope we can have some real change.

 

[LanghamP]

21 hours ago, Circuitmage said:

backing of a significant number (but vastly fewer minority) of the people. I understand he has a lot of supporters, but for the life of me cannot understand why. I am left only with the fact that most of his supports believe they will (somehow) be better off (have they really been??) , more "white", and fascist (based on all of his policies of isolationism, corporate greed, censorship of media, etc.). It appears to be some kind of "club" mentality...where if you are part of that club then you are "OK"....I just don't see any reason to be part of that club.

I'm a big admirer of Trump, because convincing poor people to vote for tax cuts and subsidies to rich people can't be easy.

[Circuitmage]

@LanghamP So, you think the top 1% , which own more than 1/3 of the countries wealth need more help? Interesting. Those poor 1%'ers....they sure need our help.

 

 

[redsnapper]

6 hours ago, Circuitmage said:

@LanghamP So, you think the top 1% , which own more than 1/3 of the countries wealth need more help? Interesting. Those poor 1%'ers....they sure need our help.

 

 

pretty sure @LanghamP was being ironic/rhetorical...

[Circuitmage]

@amelansoHad to think about that for min, because it is actually true. But yes, that is what happened. Nothing like seeing homeless people in my area holding up "Trump Won 2020" signs. I assume someone is paying them.

 

[redsnapper]

4 hours ago, Circuitmage said:

@amelansoHad to think about that for min, because it is actually true. But yes, that is what happened. Nothing like seeing homeless people in my area holding up "Trump Won 2020" signs. I assume someone is paying them.

 

yes - but i meant @LanghamP's comment was ironic - he said the opposite of what he meant for comedic/dramatic effect... At least that is my read of his comment...

[LanghamP]

On 12/9/2020 at 1:33 PM, Circuitmage said:

@LanghamP So, you think the top 1% , which own more than 1/3 of the countries wealth need more help? Interesting. Those poor 1%'ers....they sure need our help.

 

 

The US follows a policy of "too big to fail" by not taxing and subsidizing what are essentially the Fortune 500 companies. Few of them pay corporate taxes while meanwhile extracting government subsidies. Catabolic capitalism indeed seems to be an accelerating trend, as companies find exploiting financial systems that are already in place to be far more profitable than traditional expansion and monopolization.

[Circuitmage]

@amelanso agreed, that was his intent.

@LanghamP Yes. And, I have always known that by function a corporation has to make money...but listening to the Joe Rogan podcast this week he talks about how insane modern capitalism is since companies are expected to make year over year profits for their stakeholders...ad infinitum! How crazy is that to think about. From the moment a company is created it's goal is to eventually take over the world, have all the money, and own everything. Think about that for a second.

And many of our representatives simply say, "They are too big to fail.", so we as tax payers have to support them too. Car makers: too big to fail. Banks: too big to fail. Airlines: too big to fail. Telcom: too big to fail. 

Gimme a break.

[LanghamP]

1 hour ago, Circuitmage said:

money...but listening to the Joe Rogan podcast this week he talks about how insane modern capitalism is since companies are expected to make year over year profits for their stakeholders...ad infinitum!

Joe Regan is ten years behind the times. His view of capitalism (profits year after year) is what we would call expansion and research capitalism whereby new products are introduced to empty markets. Railroads expanding into empty Comanche territory, exploiting oil fields to build roads, manufacturing steel and growing wood to build houses, servicing countries with airplanes and ocean liners, distributing TVs to homes, are all typically considered capitalism that expands and hunts for new markets.

We now instead have catabolic capitalism whereby companies can only make profits by dismantling public systems. And that's not as easy as it sounds, because it requires vast resources to outlast your competitors, and then buy legislation as a wall against future competitors.

Enter the investment banker. Armed with vast sums of money from mostly retired home-owners and pensioners, the investment banker creates a highly unnatural form of capitalism that depends on outspending your competitors. Once your competitors are broke (and are almost always public assets), you can then aquire the assets of your erstwhile competitor, and move to the next victim.

I wish corporations did try to make profits every year, but that's so old school. Why try to render a service when you can, instead, render a fee? There's more profit to be made by knocking out all of a person's teeth over selling them a toothbrush and basic hygiene treatment.

For example, both Uber and Lyft will soon turn a profit, as their main competitor (public transportation) was mostly been eliminated.

Name any recent successful company, and you can be sure it got that way by a huge war chest instead of by some tech or product innovation.

[UniMe]

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[LanghamP]

10 hours ago, UniMe said:

healthy person, who isn't personality disordered, would be troubled by the negativity associated with the TYPE of attention they are generating.

All politicians are functionally narcissist, because they are entering popularity contests. I would look at one or two levels below elected officials (political appointees and organizational heads), of which I've meet more than a few, being a former public servant. These people are mostly intelligent and balanced public servants by which the majority of invisible (and boring) governing takes place.

[UniMe]

On 12/13/2020 at 6:48 AM, LanghamP said:

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[redsnapper]

Even on the surface DJT appears to be a malignant,mendacious, childish, petty, blowhard, buffoon! And it gets worse when you get below the surface (as detailed in the many biographies covering his pre-prez business dealings). yet how to explain the 70M+ people who voted for DJT in 2020 (including many upstanding members of this forum)? Surely the "Pinko Liberal Socialist Leftwing Antifa Loving Elites ARE COMING FOR YOU" fear mongering does not account for more than 1/2 of this 70M... I have a surgeon childhood friend who lives in FL who is convinced DJT is anointed by GOD and even now thinks he cannot lose the election (even after SCOTUS has decided not to take up the PA & TX cases)! This same friend follows all the cookoo4cocopuffs fantasies made up by the rt wing spin machine (Qanon,Pizzagate,etc.). No amount of rational discourse can shake him from these laughable tales (secret tunnels for left wing Satanic pedo rituals under a building that sits on a slab!). So much groupthink, tribalism & political correctness has made it pretty well impossible for rt & left views to be discussed without reduction to juvenile name-calling (guilty as charged). But only when people from both sides really attempt to understand each other will extreme polarisation subside ( or via a very big meteor strike that sends humanity back to the stone age ). I wake up every morning and I read the news (BBC,NYT,CNN,NBC,etc) - clearly I am center left in my politics. I make it a point to also check Foxnews and Breitbart and I am always astonished at these 2 very different spins on the same world events. Sadly this is indeed the post-truth era where facts are now an extension of one's politics... I have to hope things can only get better for the USA (once this gdamn pandemic is over).

[Circuitmage]

@UniMe I would add that he seems to actually believe the lies he is telling. There are almost too many to count, but I'm sure someone is.

For example, he says things like his inauguration was one of the biggest in history if not the biggest (which is how he says everything by the way...."...one of the best , if not the best...", "...one the smartest, if not the smartest...", etc), while in reality it was sparsely populated. Evertime I hear him say "...if not the..." then I know he's telling a lie.

In practice, it seems he first says something he wishes was true, then he comes up with ideas on how to make it true.

I'm just glad he didn't start opening up vaccine tents with the military and forcibly start injecting bleach into people.

 

[UniMe]

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[redsnapper]

B good to hear from some Trumpers to get their perspective on what motivates them etc. Otherwise we are just continuing with this polarised group-think...

[UniMe]

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[atdlzpae]

2 hours ago, UniMe said:

Why? You'll invariably get drawn into an irrational discussion with people who have been misled and adopted false views.

Oh, the good old let's not talk to the other side, they are all stupid and irrational. All 46% of them.

On 12/7/2020 at 5:28 PM, Circuitmage said:

Trump has been the worst thing to happen to America, ever, period. Every single day of his 4 years, every single thing he has done has been destructive. I see nothing that he has done as beneficial.

I'd list these as pretty good:
- Steadily growing economy (before corona)
- Trade war with China
- First president that didn't start a war since Gerald Ford
- Middle-east peace treaties
- Troop withdrawals from Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Germany...
- He's pro free-speech
- The "let's do nothing" federal coronavirus response was way better than almost all EU (massive lockdowns)

Am I pro-Trump? Hell no, I'm pro Ron Paul. But Trump is IMO a lesser evil when compared to Hilary, Biden, Obama or Bush.

On 12/7/2020 at 5:28 PM, Circuitmage said:

I am left only with the fact that most of his supports believe they will (somehow) be better off (have they really been??) , more "white", and fascist (based on all of his policies of isolationism, corporate greed, censorship of media, etc.).

Is isolationism from a totalitarian country like China bad? Shouldn't jobs go back to US? Is it good that Apple is using Uyghur slave labor for manufacturing?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/11/20/apple-uighur/

All major social media I know (Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Reddit) censor the right disproportionately. Almost all televisions are anti-right.
What censorship exactly are you talking about? Can you please provide examples?

Edited December 21, 2020 by atdlzpae

[redsnapper]

21 hours ago, UniMe said:

When sanity, truth and neutrality are portrayed polarized 'group think' activities we all have a problem.

If you mean that most people/politicians on the left demonstrate sanity, truth and neutrality while those on the right don't I would say this is part of what has lead to tribalism (we are righteous, we know best, they are dumb, they are selfish,etc.).

edit - I just reread your comment and I realise you are not saying this ...

everyone on the rt is not a racist-fascist-nutjob! I blv that step 1 in ending this destructive tribalism is for people to sincerely attempt to understand one another's points of view. What motivates the fear/dislike of the left (Clinton,Obama,Biden,etc)? What are the real concerns of avg joe/joan on the rt who has decided Trump is better for their future? Reductionist tropes that demonise partisans on both sides don't really get us anywhere... I will say that a fundamental problem is how information is currently being politicised such that tens of millions of people are unable to determine the reliability of what used to be considered easily agreed upon facts. Information age my ass - disinformation age! I have no skin in the game since I am in Canada. But this problem is hitting all the g20 countries so it is as relevant outside the USA as within. When someone like Trump can rise to power (and almost stay in power), this is the canary in the coal mine indicating there are significant problems affecting a large portion of society - problems which were not addressed while Obama was in office. Maybe many of these problems are very hard to address ( especially with a dysfunctional Senate which prevents any significant legislation from passing). All I can say is I once sat down at a conference with a rt wing dude from the south who could not have had more different views than I but we were able to engage in a pretty good discussion about politics & the world because we legit tried to listen to one another. Maybe I am dreaming in thinking this is possible on a larger scale?

Edited December 22, 2020 by amelanso

[mrelwood]

 

On 12/21/2020 at 7:51 AM, atdlzpae said:

All major social media I know (Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Reddit) censor the right disproportionately. Almost all televisions are anti-right.

I’d be very interested in hearing why you (and others who share your view) think they have ended up as such? Since I don’t think anyone would for example believe a secret far left extremist organization to have infiltrated the media and social media.

[shellac]

On 12/20/2020 at 11:51 PM, atdlzpae said:

- The "let's do nothing" federal coronavirus response was way better than almost all EU (massive lockdowns)

 

lol, I had to do a double take on that one. I guess I could see your point... if your name is Patrick Bateman and you’re trying to maximize body count. 

The coronavirus response shows we are living in a failing state, if not an outright failed state. It should not be a surprise really as the government is not able to guarantee the health of citizens in normal times, like most other industrialized countries that have socialized medicine do. The pandemic response was in the bottom tier and we’ve been easily outdone by Canada, EU, China, SK, NZ, Cuba, you name it. 

As for the media, it is indeed biased, and social media censorship is an issue but not in the way Republicans think.

The media has a corporate bias and an establishment bias and is against anything that deviates from that. Most of the enmity is directed against the left. You can see that in the way the media treats progressives like Bernie Sanders for example. When he was doing well in the primaries the NYT was running daily smear articles against him, MSNBC had all of the corporate think tank pundits out to mobilize thank and file against him.  Biden got kid gloves.  Progressive ideas like Medicare for All are subject to a scrutiny they don’t apply to other policy proposals. Reddit has banned benign left wing subreddits. Google has censored a popular socialist website (WSWS) from its database which the CEO admitted to testifying in front of Congress. 

Yep it’s a problem. 

As for wars its a mixed bag. He got the US on more peaceful footing with North Korea, but increased tensions dangerously with Iran. He's started a new nuclear arms race with Russia. As for starting his own war specifically, Yemen started under Obama but Trump owns that war now. Congress sent him a bill to stop the war which he vetoed. 

About his trade war with China, he appears to have folded as re-election got closer and lost that one. I'll give him credit for improving NAFTA though.

Pro free speech? He's called for media censorship numerous times. I'll believe he's pro free speech when he pardons Julian Assange and Edward Snowden. Otherwise it's just rhetoric.

Edited December 28, 2020 by shellac

[atdlzpae]

@mrelwood I appreciate the question. It will take me a longer time to do a comprehensive post on the topic of "how and why" are mainstream media and social networks biased. I promise I'll get back to it in a few days.

On 12/28/2020 at 5:56 AM, shellac said:

lol, I had to do a double take on that one. I guess I could see your point... if your name is Patrick Bateman and you’re trying to maximize body count. 

The coronavirus response shows we are living in a failing state, if not an outright failed state. It should not be a surprise really as the government is not able to guarantee the health of citizens in normal times, like most other industrialized countries that have socialized medicine do. The pandemic response was in the bottom tier and we’ve been easily outdone by Canada, EU, China, SK, NZ, Cuba, you name it.

Wuhan Coronavirus is pretty much "just a flu" for people below 50 years old - death rate < 0.2%.
Can't we isolate older people and let younger people live? Do we need to destroy the whole economy in the process?

Look at New York. Economy completely destroyed and restaurants bankrupt. Tourism is nonexistent.
Job loss is immense. BLM riots starts. Many businessess board up their windows.
Rich people leave. Poor people don't have money to leave - they collect unemployment benefits and riot.

"Let's lock down" response completely destroys the economy and well-being of the people.

Would you like that to happen to the whole country? If you think Corona was bad, just wait until USD starts losing value.
Just a few years ago there was a famine in Venezuela caused by economic situation.

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Sweden didn't institute any lockdowns, and yet they are 28'th in cases per capita, pretty much in the middle of all European countries.
They are also 27'th in deaths per capita, again in the middle of Europe pack.

New York/Jersey are also an interesting case. One of the strictest lockdowns in the country, and yet they top the list in deaths per capita.

If a country with no lockdowns is doing just as well as it's neighbors, the only conclusion I can think of is that lockdowns are overrated.

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Cuba and China's numbers are completely unreliable. Both are at the bottom of the World Press Freedom Index.
Especially China is well known for it's Great Firewall and for jailing/disappearing independent journalists.
I personally believe that China went into full lockdown believing that it's a next SARS, realized that it's almost harmless to people in the productive age and opened the economy.

USA has one important obstacle to SK-style contact tracing - constitution. Unless you get a bipartisan bill to change it, it just can't happen legally.

I absolutely agree that the response of SK, Taiwan and Singapur was great. Being isolated (as NZ, SK and Taiwan are islands) also helps.
But I also believe that freedom is the higher value, especially with a disease causing < 0.1% deaths in 0-40y demographic.

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There absolutely are government's failings:
- Virtually no government is advocating for supplementation of vitamin D, quercetin or zinc. In fact, Polish government _discourages_ supplementation of vit. D.
- Absolutely insane amounts of money printing which will end in inflation - a wealth transfer from poor to rich.
- Lockdowns which destroy the economy causing people to riot, further spreading the infection.
- Rules that provide no benefit. For example our gov. just closed hotels. Or closing down of individual "non-essential" isles in the supermarket.
- Closing down borders with countries with similar infection rates. For example thousands of truck drivers are stranded on UK<->France border, trying to get home.

However, presidential inaction and not breaking the constitution is not one of them. Freedom is US's strength, not weakness!

Edited December 29, 2020 by atdlzpae

[Circuitmage]

On 12/20/2020 at 11:51 PM, atdlzpae said:

Oh, the good old let's not talk to the other side, they are all stupid and irrational. All 46% of them.

I'd list these as pretty good:
- Steadily growing economy (before corona)
- Trade war with China
- First president that didn't start a war since Gerald Ford
- Middle-east peace treaties
- Troop withdrawals from Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Germany...
- He's pro free-speech
- The "let's do nothing" federal coronavirus response was way better than almost all EU (massive lockdowns)

Am I pro-Trump? Hell no, I'm pro Ron Paul. But Trump is IMO a lesser evil when compared to Hilary, Biden, Obama or Bush.

Is isolationism from a totalitarian country like China bad? Shouldn't jobs go back to US? Is it good that Apple is using Uyghur slave labor for manufacturing?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/11/20/apple-uighur/

All major social media I know (Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Reddit) censor the right disproportionately. Almost all televisions are anti-right.
What censorship exactly are you talking about? Can you please provide examples?

Regarding your list of "good" things;

1. Not sure Trump can be given that award. He was only here for 4 years. Who's to say it wouldn't have grown by itself, or even better if he wasn't president? The economy depends on many things. If you look at National Debt as a function of presidents, the last 3 Republican presidents have shot up our national debt exponentially. So did Obama, but I could cite reasons for that. The last thing Clinton worked on was a plan to reduce our debt systematically...and it was working. As soon as Bush took office he shot it up and started the exponential curve.

2. Trade war with China? Really? Have not educated yourself on the fact that every single trade war in history has been a detriment for both parties involved? And, have you not seen how EUC prices (since we are on this forum) have risen with the trade war? IMHO, the trade war is a bad thing. It hurt US farmers, hurt businesses, and is just costing American's more $$ in the long run. 

3. First president that didn't start a war...yeah...I suppose it is hard to start a war when you desert all our allies and make friends with dictators around the world. If he had a bit more time I'm sure we would be in WW3. I could argue he has stoked a Civil War in this country which is very hot right now. And his cronies are currently calling for violence in the street. And, he lied about getting troops out of the middle east, lied about supporting the military (calling those that serve various names on Veteran's day no less), the list goes on and on. Militarily he is a disgrace. Not a military leader.

4. Middle-east peace treaties. In order to count that as a "good" thing, we would need to see good come out of that. I have not yet. And, I don't think Trump can be counted as actually brokering and being responsible for that deal. I suspect his cronies have some other "deal" in place we are not aware of under the table.

5. Troop withdrawals. Again, he did not do what he said he would do when he campaigned. In fact, many locations see more troop deployments. And, if isolationism is his answer to the worlds problems, we are headed for even worse times ahead as we allow ISIS to reform, other countries take more power (specifically Russia invading other countries with no repercussions) , he's giving it all away by withdrawing our global presence. Again, not a military leader. He constantly (even to this week) goes against the generals directions, people that HE put in positions.

6. Pro Free Speech. Are you kidding? He's calling all the major news outlets Fake News. What a joke. He is a fascist trying to sensor the media so he can fill it in with his lies and propaganda. That's step 1 on the fascist playbook. He's also trying to kill companies that allow free speech. And calling the elections fraudulent and getting his supporters to agree is just another step to destroy our democracy. If anything he is very far right on this and against free speech.

7.  The "let's do nothing" approach has around 300,000 dead Americans and another 100,000 in the next 2-4 weeks. Good job. This is rooted in the anti-science dogma of his entire party. Instead of actually listening to the science they blatantly disregard and oppose it. This is also the case with global warming. Our planet is now doomed as we continue to destroy it and the next 2 generations will pay the consequences severely.

As far as Isolationism and business. Laughable. If you look at the Trump family and where they get their products made and the labor they use. He's only out for himself...not us.

Yes, the social media outlets are probably censoring him disproportionately, because he is telling lies disproportionately. Every single thing he says is a lie. When you have to fact check, correct and argue every single thing he says, it probably does look disproportionate. Even this week he is still trying to say the elections were a fraud when there is NO EVIDENCE OF IT. Yet he is getting his cronies to follow him and destroy a fundamental right (voting) this country was founded on. His fascist coup is just a small example of everything he has been doing for the past 4 years. I used to think how right FOX news was...and how moderate (maybe slightly left) the other news channels were. But YES, it is obvious now most other news agencies are more left. CNN is VERY far left. WHY? Because we have a president calling the news outlets fake news, he is telling lies everyday, and even FOX news has to call him and his cronies out every now and then. So of course it looks like they are anti-right because...they are doing their job. Censorship comes in the forms of telling the media they are "fake news", walking off camera when the questions get too hard or he does not want to answer, trying to pass legislation against media companies, telling lies every single day. 

I will give him credit...he is being sneaky. He was able to get around impeachment (he was impeached remember) and stay in office. He is able to tell the public to inject bleach in them to cure covid, he is able to say and do these things on a daily basis and remain in power. The devil works in mysterious ways , for sure.

[Circuitmage]

Also, Trump and the Republicans attempting a coup to overthrow the election results with a congressional reversal of the results today should be tried for treason and domestic terrorism.