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I have watched euc youtubers and read these forums of varies types , they all insist on promoting eucs but never discuss the future of these machines as vehicles . If eucs are no more niche ridables  they must come under law . Some campaigns out there want them legalized in Europe.  Ustride wanted 40mph wheel he has gotten his wish but now wants a  60mph  wheel.  I want  see where riders stand on the future of these machines . So what group do you belong?

a) Want fast wheels (motor bike)  but legal = number plates , insurance etc.

b)Want fast wheels(motor bike)   but not legal = private property rides ,tracks etc.

c)Want fast wheels( motor bike) but with current status = niche and illegal and laws undefined.

d)limited wheels equivalent to peddle bikes but legal= given the freedoms and less restrictions like peddle bikes.

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Put me in either A or C.

I want high perfomance high safety margin wheels.  Whether they stay in the current legal limbo or they gain actual road legality status is irrelevant to me, i will play with them all the same.  

I do not think they are commuters though honestly, i understand the attraction for price per mile on an euc as a commuter but lets get real, its only got 1 wheel and no rollcage or any safety equipment at all for that matter, theres no climate control aspect at all, the range is realistically limited, refueling takes hours, city infrastructure (at least in the usa) is not built to cope with pevs.  

To me they are bicycle replacements, not car replacements.  They are dirt bikes, made to have fun with and participate in sporting events with.  

Im sure there are some people that commute year round on bicycles and motorcycles, but based on my morning commute i dont think that market is very big. The hobbyist market however is huge and (until covid) was rapidly expanding in the technological space (PEVs, drones, computers)

So personally while i see the appeal to the city commuter, i just think the hobbyist interest will far outweigh the commuting interest in the endgame

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e) I'm happy with a sustained top speed of 30mph but you can't classify a 30MPH motorised vehicle as a bicycle (in the UK at least) otherwise it gets too dangerous for cyclists in the cycle lanes. I don't mind staying at bicycle speeds in the cycle lanes, I don't mind staying at car speeds up to 30mph. Above that speed I feel it's just not safe. I'd much prefer to be legal and insured - at the moment I run the risk of having my wheel taken off me by the police.

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Put me squarely in category C:

There are ZERO laws concerning my euc directly, in my area. Its niche' its fun, its unregulated as far as I'm concerned.

@GoGeorgeGo pretty much sums up what I think about it as well. Hobby, as the usa is set up with VAST amounts of travel needed for VAST amounts of workers. Yes, we have congested clusterf**k cities, but the majority of the usa is not so tight. No climate control, no safety systems, no mirrors to put on makeup, no ability to pick up passengers and the pita children. Lets not even fool ourselves into suggesting that MOST of the population is capable or willing to learn to ride an euc. If the euc became popular enough to be BIG money, the government would step in to control it and get a piece of the pie. 1 wheel per 1 person is expensive (well maybe not in compare to the $20k car the high schooler somehow drives). Lack of legislation is also what helps me enjoy paramotoring. Not many things left that arent over-regulated imho.

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Might be an American attitude but none of those categories really fit when you believe you are allowed to do something as long as it's not prohibited by law, rather than believing you can do nothing the law doesn't specifically allow. 

The best chance for staying under the radar is remaining niche and people who use them don't hurt themselves or others. 

(For places that already have laws that apply to EUCs it's too late of course.  My experience is based on New Hampshire USA where there doesn't seem to be any laws that apply to EUCs currently)

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2 hours ago, Obee said:

Might be an American attitude but none of those categories really fit when you believe you are allowed to do something as long as it's not prohibited by law, rather than believing you can do nothing the law doesn't specifically allow.

Agreed, this is part of the problem that people get confused with in the UK, even by 'ambassadors' such as Ian at Speedyfeet who referred (or used to) the riding of EUC's as a 'grey area' because not every officer would stop and sanction you. Just because there isn't a specific law definitively including EUC's doesn't mean it's game on. An EUC in the UK is a 'motorized vehicle' and it's a catch-all piece of law for anything powered, except those vehicles with specific exemptions such as ebikes/mobility scooters etc.

I believe that EUC's should be in the same category as ebikes (allowed on cycle paths/roads without insurance/licence). Yes that means the same 15.5mph limit but limits can be broken by those that feel like it at the right time/place.

In any event I still wouldn't mind paying insurance and maybe a category on the driving licence but the latter isn't going to happen with a 15.5mph limit. If we go to full on 30+mph limits then we will be banished from anything other than roads which I feel would end my EUC days forever, as much of my riding is done off road for pleasure and to see nice places. I couldn't see a fraction of what I do if I had to use the road everywhere.

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