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FWIW, first and only  wheel at this point is an Mten and I struggle to ride it after 3-4 months. I should have gotten a larger wheel (V8f for example) I think. Just a heads up to anyone who wants to get into this activity and is considering the Mten as their first wheel. 

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There is a very big difference between "wheels I'd like to own" and "wheels I'm considering for my first wheel that I will learn on".  The Sherman and Monster are in the first group, but have never be

Day 2: I've been riding for over an hour on asphalt today (I got the MSP cover from roll.nz on the wheel, it doesn't fit perfectly but it sorta works).  Yesterday I didn't feel I had much steering con

You almost had me going. I missed that part where you admitted to simply 'talking out your a**'.  You have valid points, but you may be swaying the opinions of perspective buyers and you havent even r

7 minutes ago, EVSteevie said:

FWIW, first and only  wheel at this point is an Mten and I struggle to ride it after 3-4 months. I should have gotten a larger wheel (V8f for example) I think. Just a heads up to anyone who wants to get into this activity and is considering the Mten as their first wheel. 

Agreed! I also found the mten to be VERY tricky as a learner. It is not very forgiving because of its response for being a smaller wheel. It also doesnt have enough height to make it easy to mount/dismount. My 18L was MUCH simpler to learn. Don't give up tho. The mten is a fun little wheel and you will eventually get the hang of it. I am finding it VERY easy to stand in place and teeter or ride backwards on it(now that I somewhat know how to ride). Still, that initial learning curve is a total bitch! I think an 18 with a rollNZ cover should be the goto learner. It also happens to be the wheel I ride most BY FAR, over my other two. Opinions vary, but i dont think either the Sherman OR the Mten are a good first learner. Of course, people will justify that it is, so they have a reason to buy either one.

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While I can't say if the Mten3 is amongst the better starter wheels, I can say that IMHO, the little Mten3 is the most unique EUC experience I've ridden. While I do wish for more range &ofcos more topspeed, its a wish as opposed to a requirement. IMO the Mten3 is without a doubt the best last mile commuter ever invented as of now. There's nothing better for mixing with people & crowds, on sideways, at park events, window shopping & anything that calls for replacing the need for legs...literally.

Despite its fugly looks, discomfort of its small pedals & its famed squirrellyness, it does have a certain je ne sais quoi charm that makes riding fun, makes going slow just as fun & its ease of learning & doing tricks is startling vs a larger wheel. As a starter wheel, it has its share of pros & cons. For similar (or slightly more) money, IMO the MCM5 V2 is a more capable wheel & will suit a much greater variety of riding & also IMO a better wheel to learn on.

As for the Sherman &or MPro as a starter wheel, knowing what I know now, I don't think it's a bad idea, IMO ofcos. Sure neither will be as easy to learn/ride as say a V5/10 but I also don't think its more difficult than learning on the Mten3 either. Every wheel has its quirks or 'character' & with enough practise, we learn to adapt to that. I would be much more concerned that it's more likely than not, one will be dumping their 'learner' wheel quite a bit in the beginning so think of any & every which way to protect it from damage.

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On 9/25/2020 at 7:11 PM, Scottie888 said:

Ya I'm just having some fun as all. But seriously though, set the tiltback at a reasonable speed with alarms & all, the Sherm is just like any other wheel. Granted I have not ridden it but most feedback says its stable & planted with the weight down low(er). Pedal height isn't extreme with good length so mount/dismount should also be easier.

You almost had me going. I missed that part where you admitted to simply 'talking out your a**'.  You have valid points, but you may be swaying the opinions of perspective buyers and you havent even ridden the damn thing? You don't buy the most expensive and most powerful car, nor the heaviest truck, to take your very first driving lessons. People have done it, but look at how expensive the sherman is! Why would anyone want to take a $3k plunge on a VERY heavy wheel that has abilities a person may NEVER decide to use? A LOT of guys dont care to ride 80lbs nor do they care to ride 40mph. Until you are a rider yourself, its hard to know what style you will end up riding in. Everyone THINKS 30mph is slow.... until they ride it on an euc. Granted, 30mph IS slow to some, but not most. I still think a more reasonably priced euc that has middle of the raod specs and a wider range of able uses, makes a better first wheel. If you buy right and dont get too careless, your beginner wheel will not collect dust, even as you gain others. Tbh, my beginner wheel is the most used. My brand new sherman is awsome, but its also collecting dust. Its not THAT often that i need to plan I'm going a 20+ mile ride at 40+mph speeds :)

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50 minutes ago, ShanesPlanet said:

You almost had me going. I missed that part where you admitted to simply 'talking out your a**'.  You have valid points, but you may be swaying the opinions of perspective buyers and you havent even ridden the damn thing? You don't buy the most expensive and most powerful car, nor the heaviest truck, to take your very first driving lessons. People have done it, but look at how expensive the sherman is! Why would anyone want to take a $3k plunge on a VERY heavy wheel that has abilities a person may NEVER decide to use? A LOT of guys dont care to ride 80lbs nor do they care to ride 40mph. Until you are a rider yourself, its hard to know what style you will end up riding in. Everyone THINKS 30mph is slow.... until they ride it on an euc. Granted, 30mph IS slow to some, but not most. I still think a more reasonably priced euc that has middle of the raod specs and a wider range of able uses, makes a better first wheel. If you buy right and dont get too careless, your beginner wheel will not collect dust, even as you gain others. Tbh, my beginner wheel is the most used. My brand new sherman is awsome, but its also collecting dust. Its not THAT often that i need to plan I'm going a 20+ mile ride at 40+mph speeds :)

Hmmm I think you also missed the part that I never said nor recommended that the Sherman or the Mpro or any of the faster wheels for that matter as a starting point in the EUC game. Nor did I say its the easiest to learn on. I was just responding to queries IF those particular wheels can use to learn on &or as a 1st wheel.

IMHO that would be a yes, based on my experiences ofcos. I fully admit I've never ridden a Sherman (not cos I don't want to but there just isn't any opportunity at least in my neck of the woods). However after owning 3 wheels of differing types (as much as wheels can be different), I don't think its such a biggie to learn on a larger & heavier wheel. You weigh in on the weight as an obstacle & you'd be right....IF we're talking about moving iron. Luckily we're not & we're only 1 legging it at the balance point for mount/dismount. Once the wheel's moving, weight is no longer significant IMO. I've seen a number of vids of the very young (~ or even < 10yrs) riding 16x's which isn't exactly light for a child. If weight is huge factor, they wouldn't be able to ride it.

Sure I fully admit I haven't gone much over 30mph but I can certainly interpolate from riding experience that I can easily go 40mph with some riding time. So what's the difference learning on a wheel that can do 30mph or 40mph. We all start at much lower speeds to begin with regardless of how fast the the top end is. Based on what I know now from the 3 wheels I have, the differences are mainly in the wheels individual & particular quirks or characteristics rather than any insurmountable obstacle.

We're all different. We can only provide our own individual experiences as a guide rather than as DOGMA. As usual, YMMV

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I think that if I had the money to order multiple wheels instead of only one then the wheel specifically for learning on would have been the Tesla V2 - powerful enough, fast enough, enough range, the 16" wheel would be less squirrelly than the 10" of the MTen3, it is probably a nice happy medium weight and it would be a fairly usable wheel for short rides where the range in a non-issue.

I'm still happy with my decision to buy the RS because it will provide me with a good general purpose wheel for a LOT longer than the learning period.  The range should be decent enough and I should be able to keep far enough below its top speed to allow a nice safety margin.

Maybe I'll buy a long-range wheel like the Sherman eventually.  But the RS would still make a good wheel to use instead of the Sherman when riding shorter distances.  The Sherman is still 8kg heavier even when not needing the range it has - you always have that weight every single ride.  I'm thinking that a longer range wheel like the Sherman might be what I buy when I get to wanting a 2nd wheel.  Maybe for my 3rd wheel I'll decide to buy an ultra-portable wheel like the MTen3.  At this stage I've already spent a lot of money and will be looking to holding back and letting the bank balance increase while I have fun with my RS for a decent while.

At this stage I still have ~5 weeks wait for the slow surface shipping from China.  I'll try to work out the best places to practise riding while I'm waiting - maybe try the wheel on a grass field for a little bit.

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It was a long wait, but today the wheel arrived!  It certainly has a bit of weight to it, but easy enough to put in the car to go somewhere to practise.  The trolley handle allows it to be walked instead of carried and I really appreciate that, I even walked it down some steps and that worked well.

Learning to ride: I rolled along holding a fence, just to get the feel of the wheel and to get the hang of putting some weight forward to make it move, once I had done that for a little while I practised on a field until I got to where I could mount and roll along at some speed (definitely easier to balance with a bit of speed on).  I haven't gotten the hang of controlling where I'm going yet, I'll need more practise.  I ran out of power (I'm bloody knackered!), but the wheel still had plenty left - I'm going to need a good sleep tonight to recover.  I do a physical job, but I haven't sweated this much in a long time - I didn't realise how much exercise you got riding one of these things.

I guess I'll be practising each day for a while and training the brain while conditioning the body, I'm confident I'll get the hang of this over the next few days.

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7 hours ago, KiwiMark said:

 I haven't gotten the hang of controlling where I'm going yet, I'll need more practise.

>> will be easier on hard surface - learning to turn is much harder on grass/dirt... get to some pave. ONce you rolling straight turn your shoulders, the wheel will follow... Get a spotter/helper to run beside you if have access and you will not worry about dumping your wheel so much.

I didn't realise how much exercise you got riding one of these things.

>> only in the beginning - once you are comfortable it will no be taxing in the least...

I guess I'll be practising each day for a while and training the brain while conditioning the body, I'm confident I'll get the hang of this over the next few days.

>> you will for sure!

 

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On 10/15/2020 at 5:58 PM, maslorithm said:

.U need something to practice ur skills on, that's not going to feed u to the god of Asphalt.

 

yea, that's the thing, must fear the god of asspfalut

The common misconception that a more powerful wheel is going to throw you off faster is not really true.  The balancing mechanism will only go as fast as you lean.  Even if you are on a smaller wheel, if you lean too much, it's going to go as fast as it could before cutoff.  

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Someone linked me to this thread saying they saw one of my videos linked here. Congrats on your GotWay RS. A solid choice. Although the Sherman is weighty, I would say it wound have been doable as the Sherman is stable and a durable wheel going straight if you picked it as your first wheel. The parts are expensive though. I suggest that you print a bumper for your rs for the headlights to protect it from popping out if you drop it. Known issue. Ride every day and you’ll get better quick. As you’re just learning you want to ride as much as you can to build those fine fast twitch muscles and muscle memory for balancing well in your ankles for balance that have never been used before. Try riding in soft mode also. It’s easier to learn, turn and carve and it might safer as newer riders get in trouble with death wobbles trying to slow down. 

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I have encountered terrible wobbles on a particular stretch of cycle lane and I am wondering what it is. 

I don't know if my muscles are just getting tired or what, but I am fine for the first leg of the journey, then I get to this particular bit and I just wobble. Wobble slow down, speed up wobble, slow down. Then it's fine after that.

 

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5 minutes ago, PourUC said:

I have encountered terrible wobbles on a particular stretch of cycle lane and I am wondering what it is. 

I don't know if my muscles are just getting tired or what, but I am fine for the first leg of the journey, then I get to this particular bit and I just wobble. Wobble slow down, speed up wobble, slow down. Then it's fine after that.

 

I've found that fatigue and cold induced wobbles are pretty obvious. Are you obviously shivering or obviously getting tired? I wouldnt suspect these two things are relative to an exact position/distance. After regular trips, the temps would change, clothing would change and physical condition would change. Perhaps look into either a 'mental' distraction or irregular road surfaces(including mild grooves). It could also be wind induced, but you'd notice that more than likely. Wind is variable, but certain places are just damn windy. I'm sure youll either figure it out, or one day you'll look back and realized it hasn't happened in forever.

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14 minutes ago, ShanesPlanet said:

I've found that fatigue and cold induced wobbles are pretty obvious. 

I don't think it's obvious fatigue in anyway. I don't get the wobbles in leg 3. 

It's hard to exactly put my finger on what causes it. All I know is, stretch of path that isn't exactly any bumpier than some other parts has caused me to wobble 3 times in a row. I can go fine afterwards.

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