DjPanJan Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 (edited) I don't want to evaluate it, I have no right to it, I'm sad about it, it could have been me or you. Please drive carefully. Adam says everything important in the video. Edited June 2, 2022 by RagingGrandpa (clarified title) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 (edited) Very sad. Traffic accidents are responsible for about 5000 dead every day.. Edited September 10, 2020 by null 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Wood Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 the euc rider must of been in the drivers blind spot, quite easy in a vehicle as large as a bus, this is one of the reasons I use a helmet mirror it's invaluable! RIP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dgar Posted September 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 10, 2020 This is so tragic. I'm not fully sure of the situation but the term "murdered" may be a little harsh. From the video it looked like a bad situation that was probably not intentional. It's a reminder that we really need to be aware of our surroundings including the ability of other motorists to see us. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post shellac Posted September 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 10, 2020 Tragic. Same shit happens to cyclists all the time when they share the road. That’s why we need separate lanes and bike paths. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferreal Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Looks like the rider is in the blind spot. Always speed up or slow down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroThruster Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 I don't know if the bus is right or left hand drive , he certainly could have been in his/her blind spot, the bus driver did seem slightly aggressive in overtaking and coming over on the EUC rider, I hope it's investigated. Condolences to family and friends, very sad... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted September 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Dgar said: This is so tragic. I'm not fully sure of the situation but the term "murdered" may be a little harsh. From the video it looked like a bad situation that was probably not intentional. It's a reminder that we really need to be aware of our surroundings including the ability of other motorists to see us. Totally agreed. Murder is not applicable here unless the OP knows something I don't 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shield Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 I've watched the video several times and it does not appear that the drivers action was intentional. This was a very unfortunate and tragic accident. Rest in peace. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterwheel Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Very sad. A driving lesson I learned a long time ago was never pass a vehicle to its right; applies equally to eucs. Just as we do not know if the act was intentional, we equally do not know that it wasn't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post null Posted September 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 10, 2020 (edited) In France you’re not even allowed to pass on the right, and busses have indications with “danger blind side” on the back right.. The bike lane (always an afterthought) is on the right side though, and we regularly get cars that want to turn right just cutting into our (bike) lane because they didn’t watch / see. I slid over a car front like that, luckily more scare than hurt.. Just to mention that while cars etc -should- be watching everywhere, they are limited on the right side, and not used to expecting stuff there.. edit: it seems it might have been the bus that was passing the EUC and went back right too soon.. edit 2: while no excuse for the buss driver, a EUC often goes faster than a bike, hence take more time to pass. I try to slow down when being passed in dangerous manners to get it over with quicker. Edited September 11, 2020 by null 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted September 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 10, 2020 2 hours ago, winterwheel said: Very sad. A driving lesson I learned a long time ago was never pass a vehicle to its right; applies equally to eucs. Just as we do not know if the act was intentional, we equally do not know that it wasn't. Sure looked like the bus was passing him, not the other way around 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hatchet Posted September 11, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 11, 2020 I feared the day we'd see our first EUC rider die while wheeling and it makes me very sad for the poor guy, he could have been any of us, just out for a ride, or coming home from work and .. I hope he didn't suffer, it looked bad. As to the rest, it's clearly a case of blindside, bicyclists and motorcyclists have been dying to that forever. OP is from Czech, so maybe a translation thing, but unless driver was high or otherwise personally at fault it's probably an accident. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Boivin Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Sorry this happened, very tragic. It didn't look intentional, but its certainly careless driving. Drivers should be looking for cyclists and PEVs just as they would look for other cars. Drivers and riders both: pay attention to your surroundings. Always look and don't assume that you're seen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..... Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 (edited) WOw, that was an aggressive lane change. This is very sad to see. I've been run over by a garbage truck under similar circumstances, I survived, my passenger did not. I think we can simply blame the human element. My condolensces to the survivors. Im not sure 'murder' is a fair assessment, but I'm not going to impart much opinion on this one. RIP! Edited September 11, 2020 by ShanesPlanet 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcatraz Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 That bus driver is completely blind. Should never be allowed to ride even a bicycle in traffic again. Was the guy a member of this forum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jam Posted September 11, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 11, 2020 Not my work, but a Redditor fixed the angle and speed of the video. Tragic accident, my heart goes out to his family. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DjPanJan Posted September 11, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted September 11, 2020 Explanation to forum members I used google translator to translate the text in the title and the whole text of the post. @Marty Backe @Dgar @Hatchet If it translated the meaning of the word incorrectly in English, let moderator fix it please , so I have no problem with that and I will be glad it's not about me or my post, it's about you, my friends from this forum, take care of yourself. In my language, the sentence should be "Řidič autobusu usmrťil jezdce na jednokolce" usmrťil = caused someone to die undefined intentionally / unintentionally it is a legal term in our language before the verdict of the court renders judgment. Sincere condolences to the family. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..... Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, DjPanJan said: Explanation to forum members I used google translator to translate the text in the title and the whole text of the post. @Marty Backe @Dgar @Hatchet If it translated the meaning of the word incorrectly in English, let moderator fix it please , so I have no problem with that and I will be glad it's not about me or my post, it's about you, my friends from this forum, take care of yourself. In my language, the sentence should be "Řidič autobusu usmrťil jezdce na jednokolce" usmrťil = caused someone to die undefined intentionally / unintentionally it is a legal term in our language before the verdict of the court renders judgment. Sincere condolences to the family. Murder in english doesnt have the same meaining as it translates to. We call it manslaughter if it was unintentional. Im not up to speed on law, but whenever you say Murder, it implies intent of a nefarious nature. "killed" is more nuetral. At any rate, it is very tragic for everyone involved and I do really hate to see this. Using 'Murder" in the headline, does kind of put an immediate bias on the article. Edited September 11, 2020 by ShanesPlanet 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriull Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 24 minutes ago, DjPanJan said: If it translated the meaning of the word incorrectly in English, let moderator fix it please , so I have no problem with that and I will be glad it's not about me or my post, it's about you, my friends from this forum, take care of yourself. Replaced murdered with killed - hope that's it? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Seba Posted September 11, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 11, 2020 13 minutes ago, Chriull said: Replaced murdered with killed - hope that's it? "Killed" is the right translation of Czech "usmrťil" or Polish "zabił". 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawnei Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 It's very difficult to judge from the footage what exactly lead to this accident, did one of them do an overtake or not? If the EUC is doing the overtake (which you aren't supposed to do in the inner lane) the bus might not even be aware of him but other way around if the bus did the overtake he should be aware, difficult to know since we can't see what happened before. Did the bus signal before turning? Why was the EUC so close to the bus could he even see if the bus signaled (even driving a car you are careful around busses and trucks because they have limited visibility)? The bus then did a very aggressive lane change probably because as you can see there is a badly parked truck blocking a lane and the dotted line transitions to solid line so he wanted to transition lane in time before he could not change lane anymore probably because he needed to make a turn in next intersection. One thing I've noticed with a lot of EUC footage (not this one specifically) is that there is a lot of EUC drivers that ignore traffic rules or maybe don't even know about them due to lack of drivers license and thus education about traffic rules, same thing with cyclists, if you have a drivers license you have a different understanding what it is to drive a vehicle, it's all about planning, checking ahead, checking your blind spots, always trying to get awareness of your surroundings while adhering to the rules of driving on a road meant for vehicles. Unfortunately some car drivers forget these things over time but there is also a lot of people without a license that drives a lighter vehicle who don't understand and drive really aggressive, breaking rules on roads meant for cars which is very risky causing near or actual accidents. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefteris Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 From the NYC group on telegram, i don't know who is the original uploader.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefteris Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Now that i look at it, it seams like our fellow rider owned a Nikola, but the tyre seams strange. The skid-marks on the street .. :-/ man... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefteris Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Found clear picture of the wheel. It was a V10F, seams like a Nikola type tyre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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