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7 hours ago, EMA said:

torque msp beep at 38 and hit easy and safe 40.

Are you absolutely sure of this? And confirm you have zero speed offset set in EUCW? I ask because a 'safe 40mph' isn't what I would advise on an MSP torque. The one we tested beeped at around 33mph. My 84v MSX used to be about the same, and even my 100v MSX beeps at 40/41 with a full battery.

2 hours ago, Giffy said:

My biggest fear is not hearing the beeps. I need some sort of warning that isn't audio biased. I would set the EUC World app to vibrate if it gave me the option to set the warning to 80% power that is built into the Gotways. I wonder if there is an app that I can put on my smart watch and then mount it to the visor of my helmet 🤔

 

I hear what you are saying. The best you can do with EUCW at the moment is use the 3 plots that it gives, which means you have to err on the side of caution. Although I have moved my beeper to the top of the wheel and I can hear it at 40+mph, I also run EUCW vibration on my Pebble as a backup. The settings I have are:

40mph 100%
37mph 50%
31mph 20%

Remember this is for a 100v MSX though!

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40 minutes ago, Planemo said:

Are you absolutely sure of this? And confirm you have zero speed offset set in EUCW? I ask because a 'safe 40mph' isn't what I would advise on an MSP torque. The one we tested beeped at around 33mph. My 84v MSX used to be about the same, and even my 100v MSX beeps at 40/41 with a full battery.

yes, full battery beeps 38 but there are some other factors to consider.

my old msx 84v used to beep at 35-36 , 3mph difference here too...

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1 minute ago, EMA said:

yes, full battery beeps 38 but there are some other factors to consider.

my old msx 84v used to beep at 35-36 , 3mph difference here too...

Hmm...indeed.

Personally I would be very wary about advising people that 40mph on an MSP is safe, but advise what you will.

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never said that ;)

the only advise is to hear beeps, i'm just saying what the wheel is capable of if you want to go "Beyond the 5 beeps"

i've moved my buzzer too :thumbup: but with the winter season and all stuff i'm on BT alarms

[ pedal dip at 43, had it one time and i hope no one will try that ]

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31 minutes ago, EMA said:

never said that ;)

Not to labour the point, but that is exactly what you said. I quote: "easy and safe 40" in response to someone riding beyond the beeps they had experienced at 35mph.

Giffy said he was getting beeps at 35mph. At 40mph, he would have around 4mph of 'power' headroom left, easily written off with a small bump or other surface imperfection. 

31 minutes ago, EMA said:

[ pedal dip at 43, had it one time and i hope no one will try that ]

….proving that 40mph on the MSP isn't 'safe' by any stretch of the imagination, even on your apparently high-speed MSP. Personally I would not advise anyone that running 3mph under the overlean point is safe. You however are obviously happy to ride right on the edge.

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it's pretty clear you don't understand me, maybe you don't want, or maybe i'm not explaining in a comprehensive way

surface imperfection and bumps are something you should be awere off, i don't think you blind fullsend a wheel in a road you don't know, pretty obvious to me.

if you beep at 35 of course you can't do 40, do i really need to explain that ? that's why i ask why you beep so early compared to "standard 38mph" of torque msp .

if you beep at 38 you can do easy and safe 40, that's a fact, you could believe or not 

just for reference HS MSP beeps 43mph, i could send a picture of my c38 motor but i think you want believe me 

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9 minutes ago, EMA said:

if you beep at 38 you can do easy and safe 40

The point is, I was just wary of posting what you did when Griffy has never seen more than 35mph before beeps.

I just didn't want him to read your post and take it that his MSP was also 'safe at 40mph' when it isn't.

It's cool man, no offence, it just made me nervous :)

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17 minutes ago, Planemo said:

It's cool man, no offence, it just made me nervous :)

:cheers:

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8 hours ago, Giffy said:

Good point, It might just be that I never pushed it unless it was above 75% battery anyway and so the beep was pretty constant. (ya, the battery drains very quickly at those speeds especially if I hold them for any length of time lol)

My biggest fear is not hearing the beeps. I need some sort of warning that isn't audio biased. I would set the EUC World app to vibrate if it gave me the option to set the warning to 80% power that is built into the Gotways. I wonder if there is an app that I can put on my smart watch and then mount it to the visor of my helmet 🤔

Tire pressure is usually around 26-28psi. I go off road a lot and like the little extra traction. 
It's cool to see that it's capable of more than I expect it is. Riding around Rome, that must be absolutely amazing!

Us deaf people have always found workarounds.  Mine is to ride well inside the safety margin and keep my phone strapped to the inside of my forearm so I can check speed periodically.  I have the wheel set at 25mph/40km/h tiltback.  A vibrating watch may work for you as well but for me I probably wouldn't notice it unless it was under my motorcycle gloves (probably won't fit).  

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Don't ever go beyond the 80% beeps. I have scars on my body that I will carry for the rest of my life also I almost lost a kneecap and my life but I consider myself lucky both to be alive and still being capable of riding an euc.

After recovering for a few months I decided to ride just under 80% beeps 98% of the time, I was a speed demon for those 3 years and felt immortal all while never using protective gear or helmet then I was hit by a car and damn near died 

Now I ride with wrist, knee/shin and elbow protectors and full motorcycle helmet. Which I consider the absolute minimum regardless of distance you're going as I ironically was in an accident my very first ride with the protective gear 200m from my front door and in that accident I slid along the road for a good 10m on my knee, elbow and wrist protectors and stood up unharmed. 

The gear has since saved limb and life several times

Now some might argue that riding just below 80% beep at all times is crazy and you are correct it is ... It might change if my speed is ever the fault of my accidents instead of potholes or pedal scraping and such 

 

Tldr: 

1.NEVER EVER SURPASS 80% BEEPS. It is not safe and will eventually go VERY wrong and you will end up crippled or dead

2. Motorcycle helmet +wrist, elbow, knee/shin protectors is not a recommendation but a must if you have intentions of remaining able-bodied and alive in the long run regardless of your godlike wheel skillzz 

 

 

 

 

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