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I'm an euc rider, but could never talk my wife into stepping on one. In all honesty, its best she doesnt. I dont agree that ANYONE can learn the euc and she falls squarely in the camp of people who would probably fall to injury before rising to success. Anyhow, I digress. I recently ordered an electric scooter so that she could go on rides thru our neighborhood with me on my euc. Im a HUGE fan of e-wheels, so I asked and they gave me some options. Since this is MY scooter im letting my wife BORROW, I opted for a lightning +. I'm sure this is a leap WAY above what she'll ever need, but I wasnt about to buy some light weight piece of chinese junk. Yes, 20lb scooters are cool ( i guess), but how durable could it possible be, if the batteries are 10lbs?

 I've never owned an electric scooter, tho I've ridden plenty as a kid of the foot powered kind. Back in the day when luxury was owning a foot powered 'hot wheels'. Before the spoiled days of the electric barbie car and monster truck crap. Is there anything I should be aware of, with these e-scooters? I'm guessing its to be handled in similar fashion to my euc, as far as battery maintenance is concerned. Is the scooter market comprised of overpriced plastic bullshit, like the euc market, or is it a bit more refined? Is my wife going to kill herself (or am I), on a scoot with teeny tiny 10" wheels, that can go 30mph+? Should I be prepared to repair and tinker with this thing every mile it happens to work? Any little maintenance or riding details I should prepare for, BEFORE I get hurt or stranded?

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Well, got a Lightining+ from Jason at e-wheels. Wow, this thing is a beast. I rode it around a bit and am pretty surprised at how difficult it is to ride. I just assumed it would be second nature from start. I now have my doubts the wife will wind up riding this either. Seems like a nice scoot, but i still prefer my Eucs by quite a margin.

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On 9/23/2020 at 10:07 PM, ShanesPlanet said:

Well, got a Lightining+ from Jason at e-wheels. Wow, this thing is a beast. I rode it around a bit and am pretty surprised at how difficult it is to ride. I just assumed it would be second nature from start. I now have my doubts the wife will wind up riding this either. Seems like a nice scoot, but i still prefer my Eucs by quite a margin.

@ShanesPlanet, can you elaborate on how "difficult" it is to ride please?  I am in the same boat, wanting to get my bride something so she can ride with me & knowing she'll never get on an EUC, my thoughts went to the scooter.  I've looked at the Trikke Pon-E but spending a bit more for half as much isn't to my liking so I'm back to the Lightning or Lightning Plus.  I've watched your vid but you didn't cover much information there.  Perhaps the difficulty in the ride is because you had the camera in one hand (you did comment on that 😉😁)?  I've watched many other video's on the speed, braking, handling, etc & no one else has mentioned the difficulty it is to ride.

How is the steering, is it difficult to turn sharply at low speeds?  Do you think a dampener would help?  How is the leaning when turning at low speeds (5-9mph)?  I know my bride does not trust the lean so I need to do my homework on this before I make the purchase.  I know she will never get the scooter above 15mph until she is extremely comfortable with it so she'll never get out of Mode 1.  She does however want to wander the city streets & bike paths we have here so we need something for range.   I'm inclined to get the Lightning as the cost is a bit lower (-$500 lower) but the two (Lightning & Lightning Plus) are nearly identical machines with the exception of battery & brakes basically.  Range is a few miles less 😢, speed is a touch less 😐, motors are a mere 200 watts difference 😐, & the Lightning has cable brakes instead of the hydraulics 😢, one of my more serious considerations to the Lightning Plus.

If she won't ride it then I've bought myself a scooter along with my EUC's ... ouch.  If she will ride it, then the Lightning Plus is a great investment.  There are a bunch of accessories to the scooter as well ... including a seat.

I wish we had more people conversing on this post but alas, it is an EUC forum & not a scooter forum per-se.

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On 10/9/2020 at 3:51 PM, WILSON-YT said:

having tried the mantis, i highly would recommend that to you :p 

What is 'the Mantis' & where can I find one?  I can't find a listing for it on eWheels.com unless it is under a different name & 'the Mantis' is a nickname for it.?.  Thanks.

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Whewwww...30 MPH without gear on a dark-side tire seems a bit risky to me...

...but that's me, thanks for the vids, carry on!

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2 hours ago, ShanesPlanet said:

I do belive she will be able to somewhat safely ride the scooter by the end of this summer.

Having spent 5ish years last mile commuting on a kick scooter (it was literally exactly 1 mile from the bus stop to the office door, go figure), please caution her to ALWAYS hold on firmly with both hands. Don't get cute and fuss with the camera while moving :efee8319ab::efee8319ab:. There were two ways to wreck when I was on the original adult sized Razor (made by Schwinn of all people): bars get a little sideways from a road imperfection or pinecone and yanked out of your hand, and high centered. The latter was a problem unique to the Razor's near zero ground clearance, but the former is a consequence of steering with a relatively small wheel.

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9 hours ago, WI_Hedgehog said:

Whewwww...30 MPH without gear on a dark-side tire seems a bit risky to me...

...but that's me, thanks for the vids, carry on!

40 mph, but theres 2 tires, so its only 20mph each right?

You aint lyin @Tawpie! I figured it was just me being horrible at riding. RUnning a selfie stick while riding for my vids was NOT a great plan. One handed was uber sketchy.

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I did get to the point where I could grab the bar at the center and keep it under some semblance of control, but it wasn't a good idea at all even though it was just a kick scooter. No leverage. The worst part about crashing a Razor was the footboard would free rotate around the handlebar stem and absolutely smash your leg. It's like getting hit by a cricket bat edge on. EUC pedal bites are love nibbles by comparison.

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On 3/1/2021 at 6:16 PM, ShanesPlanet said:

40 mph, but theres 2 tires, so its only 20mph each right? 

I meant on the Sherman in the Sherman/Scooter video.

(I don't know jack about scooters, they look like mopeds with whack steering geometry to me) 

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2 hours ago, WI_Hedgehog said:

I meant on the Sherman in the Sherman/Scooter video.

(I don't know jack about scooters, they look like mopeds with whack steering geometry to me) 

Hell yes its risky. You wont find me preaching about how 'safe' an euc at speed is. Nor will I pretend that riding an euc is easy and 'anyone' can learn it. I find it challenging, thrilling AND dangerous. Hell, add those 3 together and it doesnt get much better :). I'm trying to get comfy maintaining 40mph and touching 50mph. Yup, ludicrous for sure! The scooter is a little easier, but whew.. touchy as hell and also dangerous at speed.

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On 2/16/2021 at 3:09 PM, Hangman said:

I know she will never get the scooter above 15mph until she is extremely comfortable with it so she'll never get out of Mode 1.  She does however want to wander the city streets & bike paths we have here so we need something for range.   I'm inclined to get the Lightning as the cost is a bit lower (-$500 lower) but the two (Lightning & Lightning Plus) are nearly identical machines with the exception of battery & brakes basically.  Range is a few miles less 😢, speed is a touch less 😐, motors are a mere 200 watts difference 😐, & the Lightning has cable brakes instead of the hydraulics 😢, one of my more serious considerations to the Lightning Plus.

Well I too took the plunge & bought the Lightning for my bride.  I just couldn't justify the extra cost for slightly more range.  The discussion from the guys at EWheels was that the two braking systems are 'roughly identical' meaning the hydraulic brakes are more smooth & the pads contact the disc evenly.  The cable brakes have one side of the caliper pulled into the disc before the other side is engaged.  So technically, the inside pads will wear before the outside. 

I put the scooter on recharge of 3 out of 5 (this slows the scooter down on it's own so the brakes are used less), econo-mode, mode 1 (up to 15mph), & put a damper on it so she can't over-steer the handle bars.

I wanted the scooter throttled so I could keep up with her on the InMotion v8 & thinking I'd drag along at 10-12mph for a few months before getting up to 15-17mph.

I spoke too soon when I said

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I know she will never get the scooter above 15mph until she is extremely comfortable

She's been on the scooter three times now.  I guess she's extremely comfortable with it!  She doesn't even notice she's going 15mph !  :facepalm:

We went on a decent lengthy ride (her third on the scooter) just the other day ... it was cold & windy.  I finally called it a ride (mainly cause my battery was close to noth'n but I was also getting foot cramps) & she wanted to keep going.  Her nose & cheeks were so red I was think'n she had frostbite & her fingers were ice cold frozen but ...  what have I created?

I need the KS16X!  Or perhaps the Nikola Plus.

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You'll need bigger than a 16X, if you want to keep up with the lighning scooter in range and/or speed. At 45mph, these little scooters are rediculous fast and have ungodly torque. :)

My wife still rides hers and stays around 15mph. SHe complains of her wrist after 10 minutes tho, so it always short rides. I did install/build a twist throttle, but it was not linear enough. I like the finger throttle. If i was buying a scooter for the wife, I probably wouldnt have bothered getting the plus model. I bought MYSELF a scooter and let the wife use it, so I got the + model for ME. Im a sucker for perfect brakes and Im versed in hydraulics. Hydraulics self adjust but in turn, are finicky when working on them. The price of loaded caliper with lines is amazingly cheap!  I've already pinned the damn throttle and kept it there for travel(42mph top so far). Cool thing about a scooter is that you can ride it wfo uphill and you dont faceplant, you merely slow down.

I have no idea why you would undercharge it to mitigate the power. Surely eco mode level 1 is plenty manageable. Feels like a turtle to me. If you dive into the 'hidden' settings, you can REALLY adjust speeds and torque curves, but its REALLY a guessing game for me.  1wd is  a way to limit off the line sensitivity. Undercharging the battery is an odd way to go about it. Just because she has the power, doesnt mean she'll use it. DONt forget to balance charge now and then. Keep an eye on it tho, as my stock scooter charger got me smelling offgassing the second time I charged it. My ewheels charger seems to stop a shade lower in voltage. WOrks on my mten too. If i had to guess, I'd say mine was setup for a 150lb man/woman from factory. Couple turns on the spring load collar and i made it much more plush. Wife is an easy rider, so a little extra soft for her is great. Im a twig, so it fine for my more aggressive style. Was a little hard from factory. Its very easy to try and adjust, go for it!

Fwiw, its easier on the controller to ride in 2wd vs 1wd. It probably doesnt matter when riding in eco or gentle, but remember.. You are sharing the load when both motors are active. PUlling hills takes a lot of juice. You may want to try get her used to using 2wd all the time. My wife is getting used to 2wd and she loves the cruise control. I dont think you gain any range in 2vs1 wheel mode, under same riding conditions and strategies.

Glad ya found a device your old lady can ride with you. I still wish I could get mine on an euc, but she still refuses. I have yet to have to load the scooter in a vehicle. I am definitiely NOT looking forward to that! I make caps that fit the power jacks for the lightning. They are special fit as the caps need a thick shoulder to hold the connector from rattle. If you want a couple, just let me know. I have a pair on mine and they have been working just fine for months now.  Equipped with a gopro and bluetooth speaker, the scooter is ready Fredy.  Fwiw, Im still rolling the street tires but am about to swap over to the dirt. I need ride it more first, so I can recall the difference. I should probably make a vid of the mess..

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