Reckless riding is going to get us banned

[Denny Paul]

2 hours ago, Darrell Wesh said:

Nah, I love debating.

 

37 minutes ago, Darrell Wesh said:

Ah. By focusing on and shifting the convo to the weakest part of my assertion I’m glad to see you come to terms with the realization of the rest being true/too hard to argue against.

1) For someone who loves debate, you should know the other party will just latch on to the weakest part of an argument. Gotta be careful what you say, your words are all we have to go off of. 

2) Seems like this whole carving, turn right to go harder left, increased awareness thing is the real distraction. Yeah, I get what you're saying. I agree with it. It totally checks out. Having the wheel jog right under your feet first puts your body weight in a better position to already be strongly left. Riding actively is safer than riding passively.

But I see the point of this thread is really about public relations with the majority of people out there. Cause if our image is bad with the public, then the public is going to start regulating/banning EUCs and other PEVs. None of us want that. 

Imagine walking on a quiet park path and a golf car passes a family at 25mph. Wind rushes past them and their kids, who were just running around randomly as kids like to do in parks, just seconds ago. No collision happened, no one got hurt, but the family was startled. What do you think most parents would think and feel afterward? 

Whether or not it's dangerous to pass pedestrians honestly isn't relevant. It only needs to be perceived as such. People on pedestrian paths don't expect anything to be whizzing by them without warning. If that's our interaction with the public, it is only a matter of time before we all get slammed with regulations. 

[Nic]

37 minutes ago, Denny Paul said:

Imagine walking on a quiet park path and a golf car passes a family at 25mph. Wind rushes past them and their kids, who were just running around randomly as kids like to do in parks, just seconds ago. No collision happened, no one got hurt, but the family was startled. What do you think most parents would think and feel afterward? 

You forgot to add that the golf car was carving ... weaving about from side to side at speed ... so as to spend less time on the road endangering others ... and in an attempt for the driver to gain greater control ... making it easier to avoid an accident ... he was also fully aware of his surroundings ... surely this is better than driving in a straight line at lower speed and being predictable.  

Edited June 29, 2020 by Nic

[Gasmantle]

1 hour ago, Nic said:

You forgot to add that the golf car was carving ... weaving about from side to side at speed ... so as to spend less time on the road endangering others ... and in an attempt for the driver to gain greater control ... making it easier to avoid an accident ... he was also fully aware of his surroundings ... surely this is better than driving in a straight line at lower speed and being predictable.  

If the golf car was carving so as to gain greater control / driver awareness and the driver was going fast to spend less time on the road then it could be that it would end up driving on 2 wheels thereby halving the amount of road contact and improving road safety by a further 50% 

[Chriull]

8 minutes ago, Gasmantle said:

it could be that it would end up driving on 2 wheels thereby halving the amount of road contact and improving road safety by a further 50% 

Rofl! 

This creativity makes this discussion interesting again!

Also driving just on two wheels could lift the other two wheels safely above the heads of the children, further increasing safety!

Ps.: sorry for supporting this offtopic golf cart derailment...

[Nic]

And if the golf car goes fast enough it can go back in time and undo any harm caused.

Edited June 29, 2020 by Nic

[Gasmantle]

11 minutes ago, Chriull said:

Rofl! 

This creativity makes this discussion interesting again!

Also driving just on two wheels could lift the other two wheels safely above the heads of the children, further increasing safety!

Ps.: sorry for supporting this offtopic golf cart derailment...

Maybe in 30 - 40 - 50 yrs time when we are all old stagers we will be on this forum having upgraded to 4 wheels and discussing the new suspension, battery life, tires etc on our golf carts

Edited June 29, 2020 by Gasmantle

[Chriull]

17 minutes ago, Gasmantle said:

Maybe in 30 - 40 - 50 yrs time

Pff.. don't know if i can still make it for such a long timespan...

17 minutes ago, Gasmantle said:

when we are all old stagers we will be on this forum having upgraded to 4 wheels and discussing the new suspension, battery life, tires etc on our golf carts

Suspension should be exactly my thing - but my back prefers standing over seating. So maybe a papamobil for me!

[Livingston B]

5 hours ago, Darrell Wesh said:

Indeed it does. This is what separates the good from the great. knowing little secrets like this that seem counter intuitive for avoiding things but actually makes it much easier. Let’s not also forget my point about being too relaxed riding in a straight line and not taking stock of your surroundings, unlike someone who is carving has complete awareness of what’s to the right and left of them. 

You're not talking about physics, so much as driver vigilance. You probably have a point with respect to vigilance being higher when carving.  I take Tishawn seriously when he says he becomes 'one with the wheel.'   He's probably in a flow state.   

Still, not everyone reaches that place and I'm sure a lot of the wiggle waggle is just fun and fashion, a desire to make a dorky endeavor look somewhat cool.

Edited June 29, 2020 by Livingston B

[.....]

2 hours ago, Gasmantle said:

Maybe in 30 - 40 - 50 yrs time when we are all old stagers we will be on this forum having upgraded to 4 wheels and discussing the new suspension, battery life, tires etc on our golf carts

havent you seen the age poll? Most of the guys here ARE 'old stagers' even tho Im sure they wont admit it. Funny how being 'old' continues to go up in age as people come nearer it.

[Marty Backe]

13 minutes ago, ShanesPlanet said:

havent you seen the age poll? Most of the guys here ARE 'old stagers' even tho Im sure they wont admit it. Funny how being 'old' continues to go up in age as people come nearer it.

Yeah, I think @Gasmantle would have made more sense if he instead said, "Maybe in 3 - 4 -5 yrs time when we are all old stagers ..."

30-years from now is such an unfathomable long amount of tech-time it doesn't make sense to believe EUC's as such will even exist.

[Gasmantle]

26 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:

Yeah, I think @Gasmantle would have made more sense if he instead said, "Maybe in 3 - 4 -5 yrs time when we are all old stagers ..."

30-years from now is such an unfathomable long amount of tech-time it doesn't make sense to believe EUC's as such will even exist.

I'm a 60yr old, when I said I sometimes wear an old fashioned Victorian gentlemans top hat, that is part of my regular attire. 

Edited June 29, 2020 by Gasmantle

[Gasmantle]

I've just decided on my next upgrade :-

[Nic]

34 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:

30-years from now is such an unfathomable long amount of tech-time it doesn't make sense to believe EUC's as such will even exist.

When do you open your history of EUC museum? We will all visit...

Edited June 29, 2020 by Nic

[.....]

Im old in my 40's. I dont expect to live another 20 years. If i somehow do, they BETTER have shoes that let us float and packs that let us fly. Hoover cars will be old news by then   I bet even then, we'll be cussing those damn kids and how they cant keep the damn shoes from being a danger to others.

 

[LanghamP]

5 hours ago, Denny Paul said:

Whether or not it's dangerous to pass pedestrians honestly isn't relevant. It only needs to be perceived as such. People on pedestrian paths don't expect anything to be whizzing by them without warning. If that's our interaction with the public, it is only a matter of time before we all get slammed with regulations. 

Regulating pedestrians seems to be the most effective way of preserving EUC freedoms. It seems to me that killing and injuring pedestrians with no legal or financial penalty is the best way to go.

See #1 and #8 https://usa.streetsblog.org/2019/03/06/heres-how-driving-is-encouraged-and-subsidized-by-law/

In my opinion, getting EUCs to be treated exactly like cars are, with liability insurance, would then allow us to treat all pedestrians like the irritating dirt-bags they truly are.

[Livingston B]

On 6/27/2020 at 3:15 PM, Nic said:

UStride has probably got some skid marks to remove after his motorway trip.

Can't believe he didn't name his video something more click-baity:  "I ACCIDENTALLY TOOK A FREEWAY DEATH RIDE" or something.

[Chriull]

34 minutes ago, LanghamP said:

In my opinion, getting EUCs to be treated exactly like cars are, with liability insurance, would then allow us to treat all pedestrians like the irritating dirt-bags they truly are

I always thought death earnest, dry black humour came frome the UK...

[someguy152]

On 6/28/2020 at 12:06 AM, ShanesPlanet said:

Make note for any travelers visiting the USA, it is NOT legal (or safe) for you to try and enforce local law

so when is a citizens arrest allowed? @ShanesPlanet

[postbio]

On 6/28/2020 at 7:10 AM, Gasmantle said:

For those that haven't seen the video clip that the above photograph was taken from here it is :-

 

 

I live in NYC, ride an EUC, and lean Libertarian, but find the behavior in this video disgusting and unacceptable.

It's the same as the thugs who ride in packs of dirt bikes terrorizing the neighborhood. 

I don't care how skilled you are, do that shit on the road and not flying past families with toddlers so that if you f*ck up, you only kill or injure yourself. 

If this shit keeps up, EUCs "should" be banned.

You are not special if you are skillful with the EUCs, and EUCs are not special. 

[.....]

36 minutes ago, someguy152 said:

so when is a citizens arrest allowed? @ShanesPlanet

Ya got me on that one. I dont care to look it up either. I should have rephrased that and said it is merely NOT SAFE to do so. I shouldnt have said it like that, I surely don't need to open THAT can of worms, nor do I care to make my ignorance of law even more apparent... I would say that seeing an euc coming near at hi-speed, COULD be construed as an immediate danger. I'm not sure how it would go in a courtroom, had one of those parents tackled the euc BEFORE it got to anywhere near their kid. Of course, THAT can of worms would mean people would be tackling everyone all the time. Tackling people BEFORE they hurt someone OR commit a crime, is kinda grey area to me, probably a bad idea... Ya gotta wait until something happens... catch 22. Hell I dunno, I didnt desire to go to law school. I do find it interesting however and very complex.   This thread is damn entertaining I must say... pass the popcorn?

Edited June 29, 2020 by ShanesPlanet

[Nachos]

On 6/26/2020 at 3:21 PM, mike_bike_kite said:

The problem is that you guys making these videos are seen as the ambassadors for our sport. Yourself and you stride are definitely up there. You should at least be trying to set a good example. I understand that "risky" riding scores more youtube hits but there really isn't any excuse for riding at speed in a park, especially near kids. Surely you can pick safer spots to try out top speeds etc. The problem though for many impressionable young folk is they watch these videos and assume that's how they should ride in order to be cool. 

Like it or not, we are all ambassadors for the sport.  I know that every time I hop on my wheel for a spin, I am encountering people who are literally seeing an EUC for the first time ever.  What do you want their impression of us and the devices to be?  Something they are irritated by or worse scared of or something they think is awesome that they want to learn more about?  We have the power to make an advocate or an enemy out of every encounter.  As a mountain biker in the 90's I saw a similar dynamic play out between bikers, hikers and equestrians.  It's super important to show courtesy to everyone.  Don't buzz by people, slow way down, communicate, and pass safely.   I don't want speed limits, registration, or insurance requirements imposed but it's easier for governments to impose blanket restrictions on a user class instead of policing individual behavior unfortunately... if we aren't careful.

[LanghamP]

2 hours ago, someguy152 said:

so when is a citizens arrest allowed? @ShanesPlanet

These two fine upstanding citizens attempted to make citizens arrest on this jogger. After pursuing him with a pick-up truck, they regrettably but unapologetically shot the jogger three times with a shotgun.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/10/ahmaud-arbery-shooting-new-video-shows-georgia-jogger-did-nothing-illegal/3105123001/

No charges were filed by the local police department after a thorough investigation, although eventually the Federal Government arrested said men after the defense released video evidence.

[someguy152]

3 hours ago, ShanesPlanet said:

Tackling people BEFORE they hurt someone OR commit a crime, is kinda grey area to me, probably a bad idea.. This thread is damn entertaining I must say... pass the popcorn?

or put on minority report!

[Urban Wheeler]

I live in Montreal Canada,and  already bycicles have a love hate relatioship with the city, they still have a hard time to stop  at a red light, so in my case i respect road signs to the pin,  it takes only a few bad riders to give us a bad rep and we'll be targeted. This sport is new and it all depends on us the pioneers to play safe.

[ir_fuel]

14 hours ago, Nic said:

You forgot to add that the golf car was carving ... weaving about from side to side at speed ... so as to spend less time on the road endangering others ... and in an attempt for the driver to gain greater control ... making it easier to avoid an accident ... he was also fully aware of his surroundings ... surely this is better than driving in a straight line at lower speed and being predictable.  

 

13 hours ago, Gasmantle said:

If the golf car was carving so as to gain greater control / driver awareness and the driver was going fast to spend less time on the road then it could be that it would end up driving on 2 wheels thereby halving the amount of road contact and improving road safety by a further 50% 

 

13 hours ago, Chriull said:

Rofl! 

This creativity makes this discussion interesting again!

Also driving just on two wheels could lift the other two wheels safely above the heads of the children, further increasing safety!

Ps.: sorry for supporting this offtopic golf cart derailment...

 

13 hours ago, Nic said:

And if the golf car goes fast enough it can go back in time and undo any harm caused.