Popular Post Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted May 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) I'm no longer a criminal!! https://www.calgary.ca/Transportation/TP/Pages/Cycling/Cycling-Education-and-Safety/cycling-on-city-streets-and-pathways.aspx ... but not on roads or sidewalks? How how do I get to the said pathway if not on a road or sidewalk? Oh well might have to maintain my part time status! Criminal on road/sidewalk - law abiding citizen on pathway! Edited June 6, 2020 by Hunka Hunka Burning Love 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaindrop Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Nice! Hope other cities copy this. I wonder though if ebikes with both electric assist and thumb throttle is allowed. I'm guessing not since the Juiced Scrambler is under the prohibited section. Also 20kmh is the speed limit for all allowed vehicles. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted May 30, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2020 Yeah 20 kph sucks! But probably safer in general. LOL imagine getting a speeding ticket on an EUC! 50 in a 20 zone! Thems would be braggin' rights! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chaindrop Posted May 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said: Yeah 20 kph sucks! But probably safer in general. LOL imagine getting a speeding ticket on an EUC! 50 in a 20 zone! Thems would be braggin' rights! EUC World + Flic button can activate the "Enforce Regulatory Compliance" feature in a single click. Might be useful for you! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travsformation Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 11 hours ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said: I'm not longer a criminal!! Nice! In Spain they've concocted an odd law (yet to be passed) where we're only allowed to ride on roads (no paths, no bike lanes), but can't exceed 25 km/h (and thus, keep up with traffic). Not sure how they expect that to play out... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_bike_kite Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 But what would be the perfect law that would cover ourselves and other PEVs? There's been tonnes of debate but it's difficult to say that's the best way forward. If we have EUC's riding at 35mph+ on the road with no insurance and (possibly) no driving license then it's not going to be long before we make headlines in the newspaper. Some folk seem to have no idea that pedestrians like to feel safe and ride far too fast on pavements. What rules do make sense? My own attempt at a "law" would be 6mph on pavements, 20mph on the road unless you have 3rd party insurance and a driving license of some sort in which case you could do 30mph. Obviously 3rd party insurance would have to be available. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Mckowen Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, mike_bike_kite said: My own attempt at a "law" would be 6mph on pavements, Define "pavements" = sidewalks, places with pedestrians? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_bike_kite Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Places where people walk. (I guess this illustrates the difficulty of defining laws ) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travsformation Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 4 hours ago, mike_bike_kite said: But what would be the perfect law that would cover ourselves and other PEVs? There's been tonnes of debate but it's difficult to say that's the best way forward. If we have EUC's riding at 35mph+ on the road with no insurance and (possibly) no driving license then it's not going to be long before we make headlines in the newspaper. Some folk seem to have no idea that pedestrians like to feel safe and ride far too fast on pavements. What rules do make sense? My own attempt at a "law" would be 6mph on pavements, 20mph on the road unless you have 3rd party insurance and a driving license of some sort in which case you could do 30mph. Obviously 3rd party insurance would have to be available. The city of Barcelona's policy (which is different from the national policy) is reasonable enough. Riding on the sidewalk is forbidden (which I agree with...pedestrians need a place to feel safe, and setting speeds on sidewalks doesn't work, or at least, wouldn't here because no one would respect them), we're allowed to ride in bike lanes, with the max. speed being 15 km/h for bike lanes that are on the sidewalk, and 25 km/h for bike lanes that are on the road. We're also allowed to ride (at 25 km/h) in one-lane-per-direction streets where the speed limit is 30 km/h (which comprises quite a lot of the city). PEV associations are pushing for a separate category with 45 km/h speed limit, allowed to ride on roads but requiring insurance, license plate, driving license (or license of some sort, yet to be defined) and helmet. It's tricky though, because the minute technical requirements are brought up, the lack of mechanical, independent brakes always comes up, so we remain in a sort of limbo... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unventor Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 17 hours ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said: Yeah 20 kph sucks! But probably safer in general. LOL imagine getting a speeding ticket on an EUC! 50 in a 20 zone! Thems would be braggin' rights! We have 20kmh restrictions in Sweden too are treated as cyclist in traffic meaning preferred cycle lane but can go on roads with 50kmh max or country roads. If riding slower than walking speeds we can go in pedestrian street areas but in general not indoors like malls and such. I thought you stopped riding. Since I rarely see you around have you seen the latest innovation to EUCs yet? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AtlasP Posted May 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) On 5/30/2020 at 7:26 AM, mike_bike_kite said: But what would be the perfect law that would cover ourselves and other PEVs? There's been tonnes of debate but it's difficult to say that's the best way forward. If we have EUC's riding at 35mph+ on the road with no insurance and (possibly) no driving license then it's not going to be long before we make headlines in the newspaper. Some folk seem to have no idea that pedestrians like to feel safe and ride far too fast on pavements. What rules do make sense? My own attempt at a "law" would be 6mph on pavements, 20mph on the road unless you have 3rd party insurance and a driving license of some sort in which case you could do 30mph. Obviously 3rd party insurance would have to be available. Instead of expecting the government to try to identify/classify and regulate each new type of vehicle individually, what's needed are generalized classes/categories for *all* micro-vehicles based on size/weight and speed. Then they could base legislation on these classes/categories instead of separately for each new type of device. (Otherwise every time a new device comes out [from Segways around the turn of the century to the hoverboard fad to current controversy over e-scooters to the perpetual limbo of esk8 and EUCs, etc], there's always a mad dash of: "What is it? Is it legal? The law is ambiguous. How do we regulate it? We need new laws..." --coupled with uncertainty and at times cities/law enforcement seemingly making it up as they go along in the interim depending on time & place.) So for example there should be categories such as: Pedestrian-class/extreme- slow & light micro-vehicles - under 15 mph and ~25-30 lbs - allowed on sidewalks/walking paths, should not be on roads (perhaps excluding some portion of low-speed & low-traffic residential neighborhoods), no paperwork required. This would subsume kids' and/or other extremely-low-speed (typically entry-level) (e-)scooters, EUC's, mini-Segways, etc. Mid-range micro-vehicles - under 30 mph and under ~75-100 lbs - allowed on what are now called bike lanes/paths (which should really be rebranded as micro-vehicle [MV] lanes or something similar) and lower-speed roads (probably those with speed limits of 35-40 mph or lower) but not highways, no paperwork required (just like bicycles and skateboards). This would subsume most mid-range (e-)bikes, (e-)scooters, (e-)skateboards, EUC's, etc. Etc--at some point defining the boundaries between the largest micro-vehicles (crazy fast enthusiast esk8, EUCs, etc/high speed electric bicycles/very small electric motorcycles) and the types of roads/speed limits where they're allowed on one hand, and things like traditional mopeds/motorcycles which are much heavier on the other hand, and also setting the point at which such devices require paperwork/registration/etc. Edited August 19, 2020 by AtlasP 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted May 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2020 Fortunately it does seem that for the most part, there is no enforcement one way or another. Rob Hitch just posted an encounter with police in England (where they are illegal). It was a pleasant encounter, and one where the police had never before seen an EUC. For those with Facebook ... 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted May 30, 2020 Author Share Posted May 30, 2020 4 hours ago, Unventor said: I thought you stopped riding. Since I rarely see you around have you seen the latest innovation to EUCs yet? It's been one of those "I really should if I could but ends up I wouldn't" type of situations. Does that make sense? Shoulda coulda woulda. It's difficult to stop the addiction completely! With the covid stuff easing up, I'm itching again to go for a roll. Nope I haven't seen the latest. What did I miss? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrelwood Posted May 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 31, 2020 (edited) Quote What did I miss? My guess is he meant the upcoming EUCs with proper air suspension, Inmotion V11 and KingSong S18. Both should reach the first customers in July or August. A few prototype clips readily available in YouTube on either wheel. But before you comment anywhere on either one, there is an unwritten rule that you have to have an unwavering opinion that you always refer to only as “the absolute fact” on which suspension mechanism (or wheel in general) is universally light years better than the other... Edited May 31, 2020 by mrelwood 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unventor Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 7 hours ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said: Nope I haven't seen the latest. What did I miss? [With a big fat Brittish accent] Flipping egg you got to be joking!!?! (Did that come out right @stephen?) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stephen Posted May 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 31, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Unventor said: [With a big fat Brittish accent] Flipping egg you got to be joking!!?! (Did that come out right @stephen?) Nearly nearly ,,flipping heck your joking arnt you 😁😁 Edited May 31, 2020 by stephen 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mike Sacristan Posted May 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 31, 2020 14 hours ago, Unventor said: We have 20kmh restrictions in Sweden too are treated as cyclist in traffic meaning preferred cycle lane but can go on roads with 50kmh max or country roads. If riding slower than walking speeds we can go in pedestrian street areas but in general not indoors like malls and such. There was an adjustment made almost two years ago that allows bicycles to ride on even faster roads provided that it is more suitable having the destination in mind. For instance heading from Västerhaninge to Årsta Havsbad the bike path ends and one can go off-road through a crazy trail or just take the 70kmh road. Riding on 70kmh roads is a bit unnerving though as cars constantly swish by at high speed. The same adjustment also states that we can ride freely on 50kmh and below roads without bike lanes needing to be preferred. Transportstyrelesen has still not updated their site with this info but it can be found at regeringen.sehttps://www.regeringen.se/pressmeddelanden/2018/06/cyklar-och-bilar-pa-samma-bana/ The fun starts when we ride at restricted 20kmh and every single bicycle out there passes us... some at over 50kmh. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unventor Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 18 minutes ago, Mike Sacristan said: There was an adjustment made almost two years ago that allows bicycles to ride on even faster roads provided that it is more suitable having the destination in mind. For instance heading from Västerhaninge to Årsta Havsbad the bike path ends and one can go off-road through a crazy trail or just take the 70kmh road. Riding on 70kmh roads is a bit unnerving though as cars constantly swish by at high speed. The same adjustment also states that we can ride freely on 50kmh and below roads without bike lanes needing to be preferred. Transportstyrelesen has still not updated their site with this info but it can be found at regeringen.sehttps://www.regeringen.se/pressmeddelanden/2018/06/cyklar-och-bilar-pa-samma-bana/ The fun starts when we ride at restricted 20kmh and every single bicycle out there passes us... some at over 50kmh. this is why I hope new EU rules allow 45kmh PEV if registered and having insurance. As the wheel you become legal more pratical and that should an incident occor you can have insurance cover. If I could I would get insurance now, But there is none that provide this in Sweden as of now, that I know off. I know you could technically rehister your wheel as Emoped type 2 allowing for 45kmh but it forces you to have an insurance that none provide. (simply as chicked egg delima, no demand as none have it). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travsformation Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 6 hours ago, Unventor said: this is why I hope new EU rules allow 45kmh PEV if registered and having insurance. As the wheel you become legal more pratical and that should an incident occor you can have insurance cover. If I could I would get insurance now, But there is none that provide this in Sweden as of now, that I know off. I know you could technically rehister your wheel as Emoped type 2 allowing for 45kmh but it forces you to have an insurance that none provide. (simply as chicked egg delima, no demand as none have it). I have insurance for me 18XL and 16X. Not an extension of my house insurance covering the wheel, but public liability, so if someone skips a red light, I swerve, bail and the wheel runs away and hit a car (or a person), any damages are covered. Am very thankful for that. Funny I can get PEV insurance when the law is unclear about whether we're even a vehicle or not. Spain will be Spain... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unventor Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 7 minutes ago, travsformation said: I have insurance for me 18XL and 16X. Not an extension of my house insurance covering the wheel, but public liability, so if someone skips a red light, I swerve, bail and the wheel runs away and hit a car (or a person), any damages are covered. Am very thankful for that. Funny I can get PEV insurance when the law is unclear about whether we're even a vehicle or not. Spain will be Spain... You can pay for but what it covers when you need it might be a different matter. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travsformation Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, Unventor said: You can pay for but what it covers when you need it might be a different matter. If hired, they have to cover all public liability (damage to others). Whether they decide to use loop-holes in their favour you demand I pay them back is another matter altogether... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gasmantle Posted May 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 31, 2020 (edited) I can't speak for any other nation but to be honest I think EUC's in the UK are on borrowed time A couple of years ago EUC's were far less powerful and there was a case for campaigning the government to recognise them as a serious mode of urban transport and regulate their usage to comply with laws. My guess is we've now missed that opportunity, EUC's in the UK are not gaining any momentum as a realistic urban travel option but have become the domain of enthusiasts who crave bigger machines with more power. When EUC's had limited power we should have been calling for a change in the law to get them recognised as a realistic transport and discuss the legality with the government but we have left it too late. Very few wheels now are in the hands of commuters and almost every new wheel on the market is aimed at enthusiasts with ever more powerful motors etc. Like I say I can't speak for other nations and I do hope I'm wrong in my prediction, but realistically the UK government won't turn a blind eye to 2000w (3hp) machines capable of 30+mph on public roads (or pavements) for much longer. We'll get away with it for a while but the honeymoon period will stop unless there is a huge change toward attracting the commuter market. Edited May 31, 2020 by Gasmantle 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unventor Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 14 minutes ago, Gasmantle said: I can't speak for any other nation but to be honest I think EUC's in the UK are on borrowed time A couple of years ago EUC's were far less powerful and there was a case for campaigning the government to recognise them as a serious mode of urban transport regulate there usage to comply with laws. My guess is we've now missed that opportunity, EUC's in the UK are not gaining any momentum as a realistic urban travel option but have become the domain of enthusiasts who crave bigger machines with more power. When EUC's had limited power we should have been calling for a change in the law to get them recognised as a realistic transport and discuss the legality with the government but we have left it too late. Very few wheels now are in the hands of commuters and almost every new wheel on the market is aimed at enthusiasts with ever more powerful motors etc. Like I say I can't speak for other nations and I do hope I'm wrong in my prediction, but realistically the UK government won't turn a blind eye to 2000w (3hp) machines capable of 30+mph on public roads (or pavements) for much longer. We'll get away with it for a while but the honeymoon period will stop unless there is a huge change toward attracting the commuter market. @Afeez Kay I know you are continues talking of more speed and power but I think the above post are more correct and that this will impact you option to sell wheels in UK too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Rocket 98908 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 I was pulled over today by a policeman in Yakima, Washington; who admittedly did not know if EUC's were legal or not. I told him it was in the class 3 E-bike, and was legal on the road. He told me he clocked me at 30 MPH in a 30 zone. He actually pulled me over for an intersection avoidance (going through a parking lot as a shortcut instead of waiting at a traffic light) But he was nice and did not give me a ticket. It was an information exchange, and I was happy to educate him. Another Policeman showed up and he just wanted to ask questions and watch me ride 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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