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@Mike Sacristan that sucks to hear! So shocking to hear how setting a mature wheel 'free' and it can't take the responsibility seriously and gets itself hurt. I guess the saying goes... 'play hard, pay hard'.

[Phong Vu]

1 hour ago, Mike Sacristan said:

That is 8400+km of off-road, skate parks, hills, dropping the wheel maybe 20 times, smacked it around at low PS denting the rim in a few places, but a medium speed crash bent the pedal hanger / axle.

Maybe a new motor will do the job. I really, really love this wheel.

Also.. I am okay. Scraped elbow and knee, pain in my left foot. I can always get another foot... But my wheeeeeeeel... 

Too bad, but your axle did see things, it's 8000 km, so give is a good farewell  
Love your channel btw, you have a very cool group of friends, I just wish I have a lot of riding time as you do  

[WI_Hedgehog]

• Are you aware that they just block me...?

I don't blame them. 

• I dont post here more often because everytime that I do is always people attacking...

You focus on drama, and get the same critical attitude. If you want quality comments focus on quality content.

• Do you know that from all this videos if ive done $20 in total was a lot...

That is a lot. It's hard to believe that many people like that sort of content, but Jersey Shore ran quite a few seasons. 

• i dont have anything to add

That's self-evident. 

[Phong Vu]

Is this a matrix glitch?  

[Planemo]

Painful to watch.

All I see is someone who refers to themselves as an 'influencer' badger a manufacturer for a free wheel (which was quite rightfully denied - Chooch or Kuji Madpack aint) but still ended up managing to get a discounted wheel, probably to get him off their back.

Wheel turns up with a problem, 'influencer' decides that he wants it sorted, moans about the length of time the item takes to arrive (that's what happens when you are in the UK and buy from China) then goes on to slag off the manufacturer. I'm not surprised he was blocked. Not to prevent him venting his spleen to the general public but more likely just to get rid of his endless rants and demands.

The same ranting went on with his previous Z10, which brings me on to it being somewhat comical when he mentioned how he 'fixed' Afeez' Z10 (to try and insinuate that he knows all about euc's) but failed to mention that the method of repair was not only extremely simple but known worldwide, having been posted on forums and YouTube for some time previously.

I wanted to like this, I really did. Not only because he is a UK guy but also because he is a fellow rider and enthusiast. All I came away with was a feeling of his self-entitlement and that he would be your best mate when he wants something but your worst if the slightest thing goes wrong.

Pay full money for a wheel from a local retailer if you want minimum fuss. It's always been the way with anything. Which is kinda what I think he is trying to say, so why did he not do so? Oh thats right because he was trying to blag it on the cheap, to fund his hugely expensive studio setup 

Of course I might have taken this all the wrong way. If that's the case, revising the method of presentation might be in order.

[Mike Sacristan]

14 hours ago, ShanesPlanet said:

@Mike Sacristan that sucks to hear! So shocking to hear how setting a mature wheel 'free' and it can't take the responsibility seriously and gets itself hurt. I guess the saying goes... 'play hard, pay hard'.

Haha yeah. I will see what I can manage to do with it. EUCs are still a silly cheap hobby and I have had crazy fun riding the 16X. 

13 hours ago, Phong Vu said:

Too bad, but your axle did see things, it's 8000 km, so give is a good farewell  
Love your channel btw, you have a very cool group of friends, I just wish I have a lot of riding time as you do  

Thank you! Nice of you to say so I have infinite time so riding is a perfect hobby for me. And hanging around the forums too.
I will try to unscrew the pedal hanger and rescrew it on at 180 degrees so it sticks out instead of sticking in. And see if that helps.
Crazy that I was still able to ride it at 45 kmh yesterday lol.. i'm lucky I made it home in one piece.
 

[Sebrios]

Boooooo

    Video

 

If you're not willing to pay full price, and you do everything you can to save some dollars, be prepared to take care of your own.

You expected to have same service as if bought from a distributor? .. thats why they have a margin... to keep parts and support their customers.

if you want to be cheap, at least be prepared to pay for the spare parts

booooooooo!!!!!

 

(sorry guys, this comment is how I think about the OP. no intend to offend anyone here)

 

[davinche]

39 minutes ago, Sebrios said:

Boooooo

    Video

 

If you're not willing to pay full price, and you do everything you can to save some dollars, be prepared to take care of your own.

You expected to have same service as if bought from a distributor? .. thats why they have a margin... to keep parts and support their customers.

if you want to be cheap, at least be prepared to pay for the spare parts

booooooooo!!!!!

 

(sorry guys, this comment is how I think about the OP. no intend to offend anyone here)

 

I'm pretty sure Ops video is all about recommending people to buy from a distributor instead of directly from the manufacturer. Yes it came off a bit "whiney", but it is a detailed explanation of the experience he went through buying directly from KingSong.

Maybe people are right in that OP is throwing an influencer wannabe tantrum. Personally though I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, and that the intent of this video is to urge people to buy from distributors.

You're trashing on him as if he was recommending something entirely different. Did you even watch the video? You stating the difference in the level of service when bought from a distributor compared to directly from the manufacturer is the SAME message OP is sending.

"If you want to purchase something, purchase from an official distributor." This is literally in the first 20 seconds of the video.

Edited May 27, 2020 by davinche

[EUC Custom Power-Pads]

Is this over already? 

I'm sure he hasn't gotten enough attention. 

[davinche]

I dunno man. I see both sides. The video title is kind of click bait-y, but the content isn't inherently wrong. What I do find troubling is the amount of dog piling I'm seeing. To me it just seems like borderline bullying, but maybe I'm too sensitive.

Watch the content first, then give constructive criticism. That is the most productive way for the community to grow. But what I'm witnessing is that some people didn't even bother watching the video before trashing OP.

I mean... so what if he talked about spending $1000 on lights an camera. $1000 to you might be chump change, but to OP (I don't really know his background so i can't say) might be a lot. The benefit of the doubt i'm giving is that he's just a dude hustling trying to make YouTube his living. So let the content do the talking. If the content sucks, then making no money from YouTube is justice enough.

TLDR: Title is click-baity but content is not inhrently "bad". Community imo seems to be dogpiling OP. We should strive to give each other constructive criticism instead.

[Mike Sacristan]

2 hours ago, davinche said:

I dunno man. I see both sides. The video title is kind of click bait-y, but the content isn't inherently wrong. What I do find troubling is the amount of dog piling I'm seeing. To me it just seems like borderline bullying, but maybe I'm too sensitive.

Watch the content first, then give constructive criticism. That is the most productive way for the community to grow. But what I'm witnessing is that some people didn't even bother watching the video before trashing OP.

I mean... so what if he talked about spending $1000 on lights an camera. $1000 to you might be chump change, but to OP (I don't really know his background so i can't say) might be a lot. The benefit of the doubt i'm giving is that he's just a dude hustling trying to make YouTube his living. So let the content do the talking. If the content sucks, then making no money from YouTube is justice enough.

TLDR: Title is click-baity but content is not inhrently "bad". Community imo seems to be dogpiling OP. We should strive to give each other constructive criticism instead.

TLDR : Guy never posts here. Starts a new topic with a sensational headline. Posts links to sensational clips with thumbnails we find offensive. Could have just written a few lines instead of forcing us to watch something.

Everybody got offended. After that everybody started acting like they got offended and said so. 

 

TLDRTLDR: Guy logs into the forum and offends everyone. Everyone tells him off. He doesn't apologise.

[WI_Hedgehog]

23 hours ago, Phong Vu said:

Is this a matrix glitch?  

Yes, it was weird how that posted to the forum, using a remote connection may have caused it. (the the "rather odd" duplicate has been removed)

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@davinche I think part of the issue is many people who can afford EUCs as a hobby are a mixture of rational adult with strong focus in life and still young at heart who realize and accept potential shortcomings before investing. The OP played his shtick to the wrong audience.

tldr: "Always know your audience." 

Edited May 28, 2020 by WI_Hedgehog

[Unventor]

On 5/27/2020 at 3:40 AM, Mike Sacristan said:

This isn't the first time I have seen a seagull fly in, take a shit and then leave.

A post with a summary would have been more helpful.
Just do it... write a summary.
It's not too late.

If the message is to buy from a reputable seller then that is it's own message and can be written and discussed.

8471 km on my 16X... I crashed it today though.
Bent pedal hanger. I better ask for a refund.

So.. my left pedal hanger is bent. If I brake heavily or force the wheel forward while holding on to a fence the motor fails.
I was riding ~45 kmh after the accident... got home.. screwed the wheel back together nice and tight. Charged it up a bit.
Rode a bit... heard some grinding (heard it on the way home as well). Pedals shifted when I went up an incline.
Tried to make it happen again... it happened again.
Riding down a decline... I tried to brake hard and almost fell on my ass. Grabbed a fence... tried to over lean forward and backward. The motor can't keep me level if I use force.
Rode carefully home... took everything apart, discover that the left pedal hanger is bent.

Sucks to be me.

That is 8400+km of off-road, skate parks, hills, dropping the wheel maybe 20 times, smacked it around at low PS denting the rim in a few places, but a medium speed crash bent the pedal hanger / axle.

Maybe a new motor will do the job. I really, really love this wheel.

Also.. I am okay. Scraped elbow and knee, pain in my left foot. I can always get another foot... But my wheeeeeeeel... 

 

 

You need to gear up. Foot "protection".

I hope you can salvage the wheel. As in getting it fixed. Just thinking it could be a more severe thing or just those metal pieces that lock the pedal hangers to the axle. It would be interesting to know what solves the issue should you decide to fix it. 

[EUC Custom Power-Pads]

3 hours ago, davinche said:

The video title is kind of click bait-y, but the content isn't inherently wrong.

No, not THIS post was kind of click-bait, ALL videos he posted (Facebook groups) was in the same style (face and headline). 

Don't know what he was talking about in the vids, because I didn't saw any of the vids, because I don't like click-bait and also I don't like that cruelly composed look on his face either. 

[mike_bike_kite]

It might be worth putting our points in his youtube posting. At the moment people are saying how bad it is that Kingsong isn't doing more which is unfair on Kingsong.

[Mike Sacristan]

20 minutes ago, WI_Hedgehog said:

Yes, it was weird how that posted to the forum. I'm on a remote connection so maybe that's it. (I removed the "rather odd" duplicate)

 

I thought it was a perfect bot-like response considering the previous posts from the OP.

[Mike Sacristan]

1 minute ago, mike_bike_kite said:

It might be worth putting our points in his youtube posting. At the moment people are saying how bad it is that Kingsong isn't doing more which is unfair on Kingsong.

Yeah that brings us to the next part.

I don't really think that OP trashing an EUC manufacturer is helping the community.

[Rywokast]

18 hours ago, Mike Sacristan said:

Haha yeah. I will see what I can manage to do with it. EUCs are still a silly cheap hobby and I have had crazy fun riding the 16X. 

Thank you! Nice of you to say so I have infinite time so riding is a perfect hobby for me. And hanging around the forums too.
I will try to unscrew the pedal hanger and rescrew it on at 180 degrees so it sticks out instead of sticking in. And see if that helps.
Crazy that I was still able to ride it at 45 kmh yesterday lol.. i'm lucky I made it home in one piece.
 

it's cheap and quite a simple task to replace pedal arms... if the axle is not damaged, it's no sweat,, if what I'm thinking you're describing is what you're actually describing (reversing the top half of the pedal arm) that's not possible

Edited May 28, 2020 by Rywokast

[Gerrycorrado]

After spamming FB several days, and getting mixed results, shouldn't you have realized that you are partially to blame? 

Didn't buy through dealer. 

Most likely 'forced' ks to sell you a wheel at a huge discount. 

You used to work for them, so biased to say the least. 

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Plus the general tone of your video is not ok. I can't blame KS for blocking you. To be honest? I think you are lucky they are asian based as EU or US based company would sue you for banter and they would win.. 

[EUC Custom Power-Pads]

35 minutes ago, Mike Sacristan said:

I thought it was a perfect bot-like response considering the previous posts from the OP.

[EUC Custom Power-Pads]

18 minutes ago, Rywokast said:

it's cheap and quite a simple task to replace pedal arms.

I would completely remove the pedal hanger and straighten it. Not because it's cheaper, but because then the issue is fixed in one day. 

[Rywokast]

7 minutes ago, buell47 said:

I would completely remove the pedal hanger and straighten it. Not because it's cheaper, but because then the issue is fixed in one day. 

well that depends how bad it is.. if it's bad the structure could be compromised or the hardware.. I'm not risking my neck to save 40 bucks or a couple days of waiting.. but if it's only slightly bent yea bend it back/replace the hardware if you wish (there's a good chance the actual pedal arm itself is not damaged merely bent the two vertical screws fixing the top and bottom portions) in which case just replace the screws easy peasy... if you see any cracks or other signs of structural damage including to the threads it should be replaced

Edited May 28, 2020 by Rywokast

[Mike Sacristan]

32 minutes ago, Rywokast said:

it's cheap and quite a simple task to replace pedal arms... if the axle is not damaged, it's no sweat,, if what I'm thinking you're describing is what you're actually describing (reversing the top half of the pedal arm) that's not possible

 

11 minutes ago, buell47 said:

I would completely remove the pedal hanger and straighten it. Not because it's cheaper, but because then the issue is fixed in one day. 

 

4 minutes ago, Rywokast said:

well that depends how bad it is.. if it's bad the structure could be compromised or the hardware.. I'm not risking my neck to save 40 bucks or a couple days of waiting.. but if it's only slightly bent yea bend it back/replace the hardware if you wish (there's a good chance the actual pedal arm itself is not damaged merely bent the two vertical screws fixing the top and bottom portions) in which case just replace the screws easy peasy... if you see any cracks or other signs of structural damage including to the threads it should be replaced

Thanks guys!

[Unventor]

16 minutes ago, buell47 said:

I would completely remove the pedal hanger and straighten it. Not because it's cheaper, but because then the issue is fixed in one day. 

This is once reason to why you have more wheels. 

Just as my KS16X is on sick leave right now, waiting for new control board and getting as tire change and looked at the valve(fix) you posted while at it.

In the mean time my V10f and KS18L will have to do. And also why I decided not to sell my KS18L despite a V11 will be joining my wheel park "soon".

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7 hours ago, davinche said:

I dunno man. I see both sides. The video title is kind of click bait-y, but the content isn't inherently wrong. What I do find troubling is the amount of dog piling I'm seeing. To me it just seems like borderline bullying, but maybe I'm too sensitive.

Watch the content first, then give constructive criticism. That is the most productive way for the community to grow. But what I'm witnessing is that some people didn't even bother watching the video before trashing OP.

I mean... so what if he talked about spending $1000 on lights an camera. $1000 to you might be chump change, but to OP (I don't really know his background so i can't say) might be a lot. The benefit of the doubt i'm giving is that he's just a dude hustling trying to make YouTube his living. So let the content do the talking. If the content sucks, then making no money from YouTube is justice enough.

TLDR: Title is click-baity but content is not inhrently "bad". Community imo seems to be dogpiling OP. We should strive to give each other constructive criticism instead.

I couldnt bring myself to watch it past the part where he thinks his bullshit studio is some expensive business idea(belittling real investors everywhere). Citing that I have THOUSANDS invested in tools, was NOT how I would win a customer over and convince them to pay/trust me more. Citing my expenses only drives people away. Bashing other shops only hurts my image as well. HOW you present information is sometimes as important as the information itself. When I see people that don't even understand this simple concept, I don't need to waste my time on their point of view. Outright contradicting himself in the first few moments, destroys his credibility. Why the hell would I want to allow him to risk influencing ANY of my thoughts, when he is obviously missing the first key elements required to sustain a mature point of view? Just because a homeless person thinks $30 is a LOT of money, doesnt make it true. His content from the beginning was complete shit and it DID speak for itself.  We all have opinions, the value of them are typically NOT monetary, only entertainment. He is trying to hurt a business  and I don't find it entertaining or of a positive benefit for ANYONE. You say he is urging people to buy from reputable dealers, yet he himself didnt even heed his own advice.   To me, this just seems a juvenile grasp for attention, at the expense of a company that IS part of the very thing that will propel our beloved industry. Simply expecting discounts and free testing wheels, makes me think he assumes he's more entitled than the rest of us. You know, those of us who pay up and roll the dice. These euc's are made in china to a low price point. I doubt KS is reeling in the dough, and as a buyer, I am aware of how difficult it may become, to get exemplary service at a discount price.   A mature businessman WOULD see these posts as constructive criticism. I somehow doubt he will internally evaluate what has happened and use it to CHANGE his presentation methods. More likely, he will write it off as ME being an idiot and continue with the idea that HE is doing things perfectly and WE are all to blame.  Anyone thats read a few of my long winded bullshit opinion posts, knows that Im not picking on him any more than I do to most everyone else. I bet Marty has NEVER had this kind of reaction from ANY of his many videos. I bet it has a lot to do with maturity and content(even tho we don't agree on everything).  *Sorry Marty, I'm not trying to implicate or drag you into this, you just make a wonderful example of how adults SHOULD act and how they are received in a completely different manner. Amazing how disarming a simple smile can be, vs a grimace/contorted face.

Edited May 28, 2020 by ShanesPlanet