Popular Post Mike Sacristan Posted April 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 26, 2020 A couple of weeks ago I looked at my CX tyre and saw two threads lightly exposed. 7000km. Not bad.... not as good as the MSX (9400km and still okay) but still damn good. My heart sank a little as I dreaded the process of changing the tyre. I had previously tried to remove one of the pedals and failed. Last week I downgraded to FW 1.05 and tried it on the bald CX tyre. Zippy. Yesterday two of my friends came over and we had some beers and opened my 16X. Getting the screw out of the right pedal was hell. We then had to smack the pedal rods so damn hard so if you guys felt a small temor last night it was us. Upon opening the wheel we saw that some of the plastic bits that hold screw mounts were cracked or had fallen off. No signs of moisture, a thin layer of dust. No dirt or goo. Some cracked battery wrapping. We removed the motor assembly and switched the tyre to the Chao Yang. The part of the tyre that goes in where the tube valve is resisted being pushed in properly. Thomas pushed the tyre in and I pumped it up. We put it all back together and tried it out. It flies. And floats. It behaves predictably. Sure it does not float like the CX but the CX in comparison is like a car tyre. FW 1.05 is very raw in its power output. The pedals have more range of motion in 1.05 hard mode than they do in 1.07 soft mode. You point, it takes off. You shift, it responds. The Chao Yang mutes this somewhat compared to the CX. The Chao Yang is much more forgiving when it comes to cracks and irregular patterns on the road, gravel, etc. It feels grippy on the road yet agile. The 16X with FW 1.05 and the Chao Yang reminds me more of the feeling I get when riding the Ninebot One E+. A small wheel feel. With infinite battery and infinite speed. In comparison at least. We went for a late night cruise. Thomas blazed ahead on his MSX and I was close behind beeping along on the 16X with my 45 kmh battery. Riding the CX for 7000km I scan like a Cylon and brace/loosen/prepare for incoming irregularities. No longer needed and that is disorienting to me. Turning is obviously easier with the Chao Yang compared to the CX when it comes to physical effort but the CX turned with very little wobble. Braking is great, acceleration is godly. I will keep it like this for a while. Keep in mind I weigh 63kg so FW 1.05 has always been same for me no matter how much I have pushed the wheel. Also called optimism bias. Video and some photos coming up later in the evening. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wgm Posted April 26, 2020 Share Posted April 26, 2020 I downgraded as well and am a bit heavier than you. Have the CY tire. So much more fun than 1.07. Power response is amazing. Def better for trail riding. I don't go over 46 kmh so don't worry about cut outs. Looking forward to 1.08 to see if it bridges the gap between 1.05 and 1.07 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Sacristan Posted April 26, 2020 Author Share Posted April 26, 2020 3 hours ago, Wgm said: I downgraded as well and am a bit heavier than you. Have the CY tire. So much more fun than 1.07. Power response is amazing. Def better for trail riding. I don't go over 46 kmh so don't worry about cut outs. Looking forward to 1.08 to see if it bridges the gap between 1.05 and 1.07 Indeed. Everything after 1.05 was to save people from themselves haha. Kingsong did an amazing job making this wheel feel like a small wheel. I rode the hell out of 1.05 for the first few thousand km. Today I pushed harder than normal... I will suit up and push even harder and see where and when it says no. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Scottie Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 I am looking forward to your YouTube video and your impressions of the Chao Yang. My 16X came with the Chao Yang and I appreciate the way it maneuvers easily. But it think my tire had a defect from day 1. It feels like it has a soft spot, perhaps something wrong with the nylon plies. Every revolution of the wheel gives me a little dip in height with a slight wobble. It is nothing major, but after riding the Monster and 18XL that had perfectly smooth feeling tires, it makes me want to put a new tire on the 16X. I like the way the CST C-1488 feels that came on the 18XL, and should be on the MSP. It feels firm yet still absorbs the small bumps. When I feel like it, I'll put the CST on the 16X. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Sacristan Posted April 28, 2020 Author Share Posted April 28, 2020 22 hours ago, Scottie said: I am looking forward to your YouTube video and your impressions of the Chao Yang. My 16X came with the Chao Yang and I appreciate the way it maneuvers easily. But it think my tire had a defect from day 1. It feels like it has a soft spot, perhaps something wrong with the nylon plies. Every revolution of the wheel gives me a little dip in height with a slight wobble. It is nothing major, but after riding the Monster and 18XL that had perfectly smooth feeling tires, it makes me want to put a new tire on the 16X. I like the way the CST C-1488 feels that came on the 18XL, and should be on the MSP. It feels firm yet still absorbs the small bumps. When I feel like it, I'll put the CST on the 16X. I believe the bump/dip has to do with the tube. The tube valve stops the tyre from going in properly. Some people have twisted the valve, others have milled the valve opening in the rim to give it more space. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post travsformation Posted May 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 9, 2020 (edited) On 4/26/2020 at 2:02 PM, Mike Sacristan said: FW 1.05 is very raw in its power output. The pedals have more range of motion in 1.05 hard mode than they do in 1.07 soft mode. You point, it takes off. You shift, it responds. The Chao Yang mutes this somewhat compared to the CX. The Chao Yang is much more forgiving when it comes to cracks and irregular patterns on the road, gravel, etc. It feels grippy on the road yet agile. The 16X with FW 1.05 and the Chao Yang reminds me more of the feeling I get when riding the Ninebot One E+. A small wheel feel. With infinite battery and infinite speed. In comparison at least. I just downgraded to 1.05 yesterday (from 2.02). It was getting dark and I didn't take my flashlight so I only put 13 km on it, but I'm both impressed and intrigued, and can't wait to take it out again. . My first impression was that it didn't feel too different, except for pedal stiffness, which immediately felt a bit softer. The overall way the wheel behaves is much more raw, as you said, less polished/refined; its slightly noisier too (or maybe with the deserted "semi-lockdown" streets it just seemed that way). The first very noticeable difference is braking. And by noticeable, I mean night and day compared to 1.07 or 2.02! This thing BRAKES, the difference feels about the same as when I hop into my 1.5 ton car after parking my 3 ton motorhome. That alone is a big reason to stick with 1.05 (for me at least). Oddly enough, one of my first impressions on acceleration was that it was worse than in 2.02 (maybe because pedals are softer and you have to push it a bit harder?), which of course, immediately led me to focus on acceleration and start pushing it more. I got the impression that while 1.07 and 2.02 have a very instant, smooth, well-tuned power delivery algorithm, 1.05 had an slight lag before the wheel responded to my input, but once it takes off, it takes off. Still, 1.05 feels less responsive at low speeds, it felt like a heavier wheel...but once I got to the outskirts (better roads, fewer potholes), I found myself riding considerably faster than usual. Acceleration above 20 km/h blows later FWs out of the water, it's ridiculous how fast it goes from 20 to 40 km/h (I didn't push it any further because I'm not comfortable riding fast at night, especially only with the onboard headlight). It was a short ride, but man was it sweet! 1.05 is a blast to ride, especially in deserted areas where you can let yourself go! I can see why urban riders would prefer this FW over any of its successors! I haven't done any off-roading on it yet and my impressions are based only on low-speed acceleration on asphalt, but I get the feeling I might actually prefer 1.07 or 2.02 for that. First because of pedal stiffness, and second because of that low-speed torque delivery difference. As I said, maybe it has to do with putting more intent into acceleration and getting to know and trust the FW; either way, looking forward to finding out. There's a fairly rocky hill nearby that I did the other day when testing 2.02, and because of a big rut created by heavy spring rainfall, I had to slow way down to nearly a standstill right at the base of the hill, and I remember being impressed at how it just seemed to smoothly crawl up it on its own, with very little effort on my part (no wheel-gripping, no agressive leaning) and thinking "I don't remember it being quite this effortless on 1.07". I was planning on tackling that same hill today on 1.05 but after weeks of glorious spring weather, today it's raining I also noticed that the headlight lacks the polish of 1.07's (maximum brightness in auto mode is brighter, brightness at different speeds is more adequate for the speed you're riding, there seem to be more levels of brightness and the transition from one to another is smoother). But that's not too much of a concern, really... In short, I'm looking forward to doing more testing to confirm my impressions and dispel any wrong ones Would also like to run the battery down to below 50% and do a speed-throttling test. Just out of curiosity, I looked up the release note of 1.05's successors. Some of these seem to confirm some of my impressions. 1.06 Add turning light function Automatically adjust between high beam and low beam, including brightness Can click power button to switch high beam or low beam [1.05 ony allows to switch between auto and on; later versions allow auto/low/high] Add auto power off function, default 120 minutes Fan activated when controller temperatures reaches 45º C with 50% power, 100% power when exceed 65º C. [This might be an important consideration for me in the middle of hot Spanish summers...] Fix the bug that some voice report is still working when close voice speak switch Add output power alarm, it will beep 4 times when over 88% [Definitely nice to have; EUC World alarms are a good replacement for this though...] With 1.06 also Front light automatic is wrong...the dimming is perfect but when speed Up only max. 80% light output...when switch manual to light on 100% output...you can make dimming also to 100%, or over 20 kmh to 100% light output...this is nice feature [Not sure what the hell they're talking about. I think the first "1.06 is a typo and they meant to say 1.05] Fix forward/backward shaking problems of some wheels 1.07 Adjust speed limit starting voltage, optimizing speed limit algorithm, safer to ride [Not something I noticed] Add output power, safer to ride in low-voltage status [Had plenty of battery, but might be a safety consideration worth taking into account?] Add hall optimized algorithm, more smooth to ride, more estable at high speed [Overall polish/smoothness feeling] Add new balance algorithm, accelerate faster, riding feeling will not be affected by voltage [Might explain the smoother feeling of power delivery and low-end torque] Activate 100% power of the fan on the controller when headlight is ON and bluetooth music is ON, to improve heat dissipation 2.02 apptest OK, it just stopped raining, I'm going to gear up and go for a ride Edited May 10, 2020 by travsformation 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mike Sacristan Posted May 9, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted May 9, 2020 Very nice write up Trav! Now it would be interesting to know if the 1.4 board and 1.5 board behave differently and in what combination with which firmware. I know that @DjPanJan has some thoughts on this. I went for a 84 km ride today (62km)... with a Nik+ rider. I spent a bit of time on the soft tiltback during some stretches since he likes riding fast. After 60km I was at 43% battery and still doing 45 kmh (according to his pebble and a radar sign I passed that said 44, 45 and then a sad face). He was at 33% battery after the ride (86 kg rider vs my 63kg). I went for a cruise a bit later to run the battery a bit lower and see how it behaves. At 65.5V I hit 35kmh and played with the soft tiltback turning into hard tiltback. And even got a few beeps out of it. My first batch 16x with 1.05 definitely climbs hills easier. My only gripe is going down drops at skate parks... I almost sh1t myself going down a very steep ramp. On the bright side... we can change firmware as often as we like. I have turned off my alarms now because I want the wheel to be silent and not beep at 45 kmh. My max speed today was 49.6 kmh so I did not trigger the 50 kmh alarm. I did yesterday though for about one second. My friend also showed me that he could pedal dip his Nikola at a standstill. He can not do the same on the 16x. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tinkererboi Posted May 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 10, 2020 Caved in and did the downgrade as well. Initially had the same experience as everyone - the output felt raw and much more enjoyable. Brakes hard like a 2000w wheel should. Power at the low end is so much easier to access. However after some freestyling the old firmware started to show its flaws. I am careful and listen to my wheel but also ride hard. Stair drops, MTB trails and the like are a regular occasion for me. On two drops the pedals actually dipped forward and stayed stuck until i got off and allowed the wheel to straighten out. 1.05 also seemed much more sensitive to voltage level changes. At 40% battery it was getting really difficult to get the wheel to pendulum and flick into a backwards ride. Never had this problem with my 16x before but did get it on the much more primitive gt16. The final nail in the coffin for me was that i managed to get a pedal dip at 65% battery at full speed. Was not even trying for it. Actually was feeling carefully to see when the tiltback would kick in when I felt the pedals give way for a split second. Thankfully managed to jerk my body backwards and recover. Kept the rest of my ride strictly below 40kph after that. Have just swapped back to 2.02.. guess 1.05 is not for me after all. Really loved the more raw feeling but just didn't feel it was safe enough for my kind of riding in the end. 55kg guy here. Might be useful information for the benefit of those considering this downgrade as well. One data point I did not manage to get but wished I could was if there was any notable differences in battery life between the two. What are your experiences? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travsformation Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 Thanks @Mike Sacristan! The info you provided is very useful, especially on battery drain and speed throttling. 65V is under 15% battery right? 35 km/h is very decent, and those are pretty much the same figure I was getting on 2.02: BTW, what's the issue with skateparks? If it isn't braking hard enough on 1.05, I don't want to know what it would be like on 1.07 or 2.02... Pedal-dipping a GW? Blasphemy! Please, EUC Gods, don't let this thread turn into a shitstorm! I was able to get a 20 km ride in yesterday with about 5 km worth of very rutted off-roading. I have to say the braking on 1.05 makes going down steep inclines much, much easier than on 1.07 or 2.02. On flat but very rutted paths (a lot of slow-speed manoeuvring and near-standstill acceleration) it behaves fine but feels like off-roading on my 18XL (heavier, requiring more effort), while especially with 2.02, it felt much nimbler. It climbed the hill with no problem whatsoever, so overall, low-end torque seems to require more effort but it's still there. My general impression is that it's worse at standstill, up to above 10-15 km/h, while above that, it accelerates like a bat out of hell. I'm kind of on the fence about off-roading: I think that, overall, I like 2.02 the best FW for off-roading, the low-end torque makes gnarly crawling-speed sections much more painless, but on steep downhills, it feels like the wheel is constantly trying to get away from you, while 1.05 respond miles better in terms of deceleration. 1.07 is very close to 2.02, the only difference being that acceleration isn't quite as good/smooth/effortless, and braking seems to be worse. For on-road...1.05 blows all other FWs out of the water, hands down. Near-zero traffic, empty roads all to myself... I just went nuts for the remaining 15 km on-road, I think that's the most fun I've ever had riding on asphalt. WOW was that fun! I hot-dogged the hell out of the wheel, to the point my battery dropped from 78% (76.7V) to 55% (73.3V) in 14 km... Too bad we can't change FW on the fly, choosing different torque-delivery algorithms for on-road and off-road. All the same, I think I'm going to stay on 1.05 for a while... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Sacristan Posted May 10, 2020 Author Share Posted May 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, travsformation said: Thanks @Mike Sacristan! The info you provided is very useful, especially on battery drain and speed throttling. 65V is under 15% battery right? 35 km/h is very decent, and those are pretty much the same figure I was getting on 2.02: Correct! Same V and % according to Darknessbot. 3 minutes ago, travsformation said: BTW, what's the issue with skateparks? If it isn't braking hard enough on 1.05, I don't want to know what it would be like on 1.07 or 2.02... At 13:10 in the clip when I go down. The hardest mode on FW 1.05 is still squishy with the pedals having more range of motion than the softest 1.07 mode. When going down and trying to brake the wheel I over lean backwards because of the squish. I should just practice more. Oh wait.. I did yesterday. Oh wait... I fell on my ass the other day. Like I said... I should just practice more though. 3 minutes ago, travsformation said: Pedal-dipping a GW? Blasphemy! Please, EUC Gods, don't let this thread turn into a shitstorm! Haha. From a stand still. 100v no less. People have done this on the MSX as well. 3 minutes ago, travsformation said: I was able to get a 20 km ride in yesterday with about 5 km worth of very rutted off-roading. I have to say the braking on 1.05 makes going down steep inclines much, much easier than on 1.07 or 2.02. On flat but very rutted paths (a lot of slow-speed manoeuvring and near-standstill acceleration) it behaves fine but feels like off-roading on my 18XL (heavier, requiring more effort), while especially with 2.02, it felt much nimbler. It climbed the hill with no problem whatsoever, so overall, low-end torque seems to require more effort but it's still there. My general impression is that it's worse at standstill, up to above 10-15 km/h, while above that, it accelerates like a bat out of hell. I'm kind of on the fence about off-roading: I think that, overall, I like 2.02 the best FW for off-roading, the low-end torque makes gnarly crawling-speed sections much more painless, but on steep downhills, it feels like the wheel is constantly trying to get away from you, while 1.05 respond miles better in terms of deceleration. 1.07 is very close to 2.02, the only difference being that acceleration isn't quite as good/smooth/effortless, and braking seems to be worse. For on-road...1.05 blows all other FWs out of the water, hands down. Near-zero traffic, empty roads all to myself... I just went nuts for the remaining 15 km on-road, I think that's the most fun I've ever had riding on asphalt. WOW was that fun! I hot-dogged the hell out of the wheel, to the point my battery dropped from 78% (76.7V) to 55% (73.3V) in 14 km... Too bad we can't change FW on the fly, choosing different torque-delivery algorithms for on-road and off-road. All the same, I think I'm going to stay on 1.05 for a while... The wheel getting away from here is how I generally feel about the 16X haha. Especially going down "steep" hills around 20 degrees. At standstill my first batch 16X gives me some very handy squish and zip that I can use to torque over roots and rocks. So it sounds like we are getting some different behaviour there. Yeah it would be something if we could just change FW on the fly! OFF-ROAD MODE! STREET MODE! etc. Thanks for sharing your experiences! I will find some hills and swap between FW 1.05 and then FW 2.02. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Sacristan Posted May 10, 2020 Author Share Posted May 10, 2020 14 minutes ago, Tinkererboi said: Caved in and did the downgrade as well. Initially had the same experience as everyone - the output felt raw and much more enjoyable. Brakes hard like a 2000w wheel should. Power at the low end is so much easier to access. However after some freestyling the old firmware started to show its flaws. I am careful and listen to my wheel but also ride hard. Stair drops, MTB trails and the like are a regular occasion for me. On two drops the pedals actually dipped forward and stayed stuck until i got off and allowed the wheel to straighten out. Did you have music on? I have only gotten this behaviour when using the bluetooth speakers or being connected to them. I keep them on, but I do not connect (on my iPhone -> forget device). That way the wheel is silent when I turn it on. No loud voice saying bluetooth is on/off. 14 minutes ago, Tinkererboi said: 1.05 also seemed much more sensitive to voltage level changes. At 40% battery it was getting really difficult to get the wheel to pendulum and flick into a backwards ride. Never had this problem with my 16x before but did get it on the much more primitive gt16. According to the notes they improved this in the future FW versions saying that the wheel behaviour was more similar at all times (same riding feel) despite voltage. While at FW 1.05 and low battery the 16X could get a bit of a "boaty" feel. 14 minutes ago, Tinkererboi said: The final nail in the coffin for me was that i managed to get a pedal dip at 65% battery at full speed. Was not even trying for it. Actually was feeling carefully to see when the tiltback would kick in when I felt the pedals give way for a split second. Thankfully managed to jerk my body backwards and recover. Kept the rest of my ride strictly below 40kph after that. Phew... man... goodbye FW 1.05! That is some scary stuff. Then you have done what was required of you. For your own sanity lol. Good job recovering and being so attentive. 14 minutes ago, Tinkererboi said: Have just swapped back to 2.02.. guess 1.05 is not for me after all. Really loved the more raw feeling but just didn't feel it was safe enough for my kind of riding in the end. 55kg guy here. Might be useful information for the benefit of those considering this downgrade as well. One data point I did not manage to get but wished I could was if there was any notable differences in battery life between the two. What are your experiences? Regarding battery life it feels like I am getting better battery usage in FW 1.05. The weather is a couple of degree warmer but still. I think keeping the pedals extra level costs more battery.. and there might be other factors at play. I would say at least 10% battery usage though. Is your 16X a first batch? Do you know which board you have? Sorry for almost killing you! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrd777 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 Wow, I never played with all this, it seems to be over complicated.. I never left 1.05 and LOVE this wheel, it’s my favorite go-to errand wheel, that has beautiful agility. I just don’t try to ride it at 30 mph, it’s as simple as that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Mike Sacristan said: At 13:10 in the clip when I go down. The hardest mode on FW 1.05 is still squishy with the pedals having more range of motion than the softest 1.07 mode. When going down and trying to brake the wheel I over lean backwards because of the squish. I should just practice more. Oh wait.. I did yesterday. Oh wait... I fell on my ass the other day. Like I said... I should just practice more though. Strong stuff Mike! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travsformation Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tinkererboi said: However after some freestyling the old firmware started to show its flaws. I am careful and listen to my wheel but also ride hard. Stair drops, MTB trails and the like are a regular occasion for me. On two drops the pedals actually dipped forward and stayed stuck until i got off and allowed the wheel to straighten out. 1.05 also seemed much more sensitive to voltage level changes. At 40% battery it was getting really difficult to get the wheel to pendulum and flick into a backwards ride. Never had this problem with my 16x before but did get it on the much more primitive gt16. The final nail in the coffin for me was that i managed to get a pedal dip at 65% battery at full speed. Was not even trying for it. Actually was feeling carefully to see when the tiltback would kick in when I felt the pedals give way for a split second. Thankfully managed to jerk my body backwards and recover. Kept the rest of my ride strictly below 40kph after that. Yikes, I don't blame you for ditching 1.05. The minute safety issues appear, in my book that takes precedence over fun factor and extra torque! BTW what batch is your wheel? Do you know what board it has? Edited May 10, 2020 by travsformation 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travsformation Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Mike Sacristan said: At 13:10 in the clip when I go down. The hardest mode on FW 1.05 is still squishy with the pedals having more range of motion than the softest 1.07 mode. When going down and trying to brake the wheel I over lean backwards because of the squish. I should just practice more. Oh wait.. I did yesterday. Oh wait... I fell on my ass the other day. Like I said... I should just practice more though. You're asking for it by subjecting the poor wheel to such abuse...it probably thinks you're an ass, and you know how the saying goes, "An ass for an ass" 1 hour ago, Mike Sacristan said: The wheel getting away from here is how I generally feel about the 16X haha. Especially going down "steep" hills around 20 degrees. At standstill my first batch 16X gives me some very handy squish and zip that I can use to torque over roots and rocks. So it sounds like we are getting some different behaviour there. Yeah it would be something if we could just change FW on the fly! OFF-ROAD MODE! STREET MODE! etc. For me the wheel not getting away has been quite a revelation! Really, thanks for sharing your experience with 1.05, if it hadn't been for your safety record with it, I might not have tried. Then again, @Tinkererboi's experience is a good reminder that when trying any new firmware it's important to be vigilant and mindful. I haven't experienced anything like what he had, but I didn't push the wheel above 45 km/h. 40 km/h is as fast a cruising speed as I feel comfortable with, 45 from time to time, but not often (we'll see...riding fast seems to feel more natural with 1.05, it somehow demands to be ridden fast) But the ol' shoulder injury is still very much in my mind (as it should) whenever I go above 40 km/h or down a rutted hill from hell BTW, you forgot "freestyle mode" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skecys Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 Where are you guys getting these FW from? My KS app says I'm up to date (1.07). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travsformation Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Skecys said: Where are you guys getting these FW from? My KS app says I'm up to date (1.07). Long story short, KS has no viable app for iOS users, so they've released their SoftTuner app (also know as engineer app) for iOS users, which allows for firmware upgrades, downgrades, beta versions, etc. The app is also available for Android, some of us have received it from our distributors for various reasons (a new FW caused an issue as we wanted to downgrade, etc). My general advice is that since each new firmware brings new safety features, the best is to stick with the latest stable release. If you're happy with 1.07 and don't have any issues, I'd stick with it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 I installed the soft tuner app and downgraded to FW105 ,it lasted 1 day and went back to 107 which has the best overall feel , I'll try 202 next and see if there's differences, I do like the wheel in any firmware 107 just seems right 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkererboi Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Mike Sacristan said: Is your 16X a first batch? Do you know which board you have? Sorry for almost killing you! Welll.. i completely forgot 🤣. Remembered opening it to check the moment it arrived at my doorstep and was relieved to know I got the first batch of trouble-free boards though. Would that be 1.5 board? No worries, we are all responsible for our own safety! Had been itching to try the downgrade for ages myself. 2 hours ago, Mike Sacristan said: think keeping the pedals extra level costs more battery.. and there might be other factors at play. I would say at least 10% battery usage though Definitely felt that way... too bad I did not have enough time with it to know for sure. As for bluetooth music, it was definitely connected throughout the whole ride. Perhaps another safety pointer to note for those who want to enjoy fw1.05 at its full potential - disconnect bluetooth music. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skecys Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 49 minutes ago, travsformation said: Long story short, KS has no viable app for iOS users, so they've released their SoftTuner app (also know as engineer app) for iOS users, which allows for firmware upgrades, downgrades, beta versions, etc. The app is also available for Android, some of us have received it from our distributors for various reasons (a new FW caused an issue as we wanted to downgrade, etc). My general advice is that since each new firmware brings new safety features, the best is to stick with the latest stable release. If you're happy with 1.07 and don't have any issues, I'd stick with it. I see, this is not available to the general user base? I am happy with 1.07 but I still have that "famed" cutout on my mind. I figure newer means better/more refined and worth a try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travsformation Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Skecys said: I see, this is not available to the general user base? Technically, only if you have iOS. But considering that it's available to iOS users, it only makes sense for it to be equally available to Android users. Then again, KS hasn't said as much so I don't know if they/retailers would approve of the app being shared without their consent 1 hour ago, Skecys said: I am happy with 1.07 but I still have that "famed" cutout on my mind. I figure newer means better/more refined and worth a try. Cutouts are probably more likely in older versions (1.05, 1.06) than newer ones (1.07 or 2.02). 2.02 is still in beta, there are no release notes, so to date, there's no objective info on what the changes are--only subjective impressions from the users who have tried it out. If you want to stay informed on 2.02, there's a thread dedicated to the subject Edited May 10, 2020 by travsformation 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mike Sacristan Posted May 10, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted May 10, 2020 4 hours ago, travsformation said: You're asking for it by subjecting the poor wheel to such abuse...it probably thinks you're an ass, and you know how the saying goes, "An ass for an ass" Haha. Fredrik gets down a bit smoother on his 18XL and I got down a bit smoother with FW 1.07. I hit around 18A braking down that drop. Unless I hit 18A going up haha. Hard to say. 4 hours ago, travsformation said: For me the wheel not getting away has been quite a revelation! Really, thanks for sharing your experience with 1.05, if it hadn't been for your safety record with it, I might not have tried. Then again, @Tinkererboi's experience is a good reminder that when trying any new firmware it's important to be vigilant and mindful. I haven't experienced anything like what he had, but I didn't push the wheel above 45 km/h. 40 km/h is as fast a cruising speed as I feel comfortable with, 45 from time to time, but not often (we'll see...riding fast seems to feel more natural with 1.05, it somehow demands to be ridden fast) But the ol' shoulder injury is still very much in my mind (as it should) whenever I go above 40 km/h or down a rutted hill from hell BTW, you forgot "freestyle mode" That's awesome! I will work on my technique. Everyone says it brakes better on FW 1.05. We all have to remember that Kingsong and eWheels really insisted that we stop using FW 1.05. I am pretty sure I know why and they just didn't want people to crash it and get a bad record. It also seems to vary from wheel to wheel. I did my first 2600km on FW 1.05. Now I have done another 700 since I downgraded from FW 1.07. Rainy today so I have been on the MSX. It was fun carving on that slow, steady tractor. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DjPanJan Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 Firmware 1.05 is not reason about cutouts/overleans. Time show is not FW 1.05 related event. No make urban legends confuse you mind. Only objective change is more agresively FAN politics in 1.06 /1.07 FW. More documented accidents overleans /cit outs call it hou you want is on FW 1.07 and this is fact! And mainboards after 9.9.19 this mean actual 1.5 "new" mainboard(bluetooth moved ). All kingson Firmwares is save to use. Time proofed is 1.07 for all KS16X what is created after 9-9-2019 this is day when come mainboard 1.5 serial production. For ppl who have KS16X created before 9.9.19 is FW 1.05 (stock) optimized very good and have great result and response no instal 1.05 to new ks16x no have sense and no benefit. FW 1.05 on board 1.5 is not good results is save ok no problem just 1.07 is beter stick to new board 1.5. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travsformation Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 (edited) 42 minutes ago, DjPanJan said: Firmware 1.05 is not reason about cutouts/overleans. Time show is not FW 1.05 related event. No make urban legends confuse you mind. Only objective change is more agresively FAN politics in 1.06 /1.07 FW. More documented accidents overleans /cit outs call it hou you want is on FW 1.07 and this is fact! And mainboards after 9.9.19 this mean actual 1.5 "new" mainboard(bluetooth moved ). All kingson Firmwares is save to use. Time proofed is 1.07 for all KS16X what is created after 9-9-2019 this is day when come mainboard 1.5 serial production. For ppl who have KS16X created before 9.9.19 is FW 1.05 (stock) optimized very good and have great result and response no instal 1.05 to new ks16x no have sense and no benefit. FW 1.05 on board 1.5 is not good results is save ok no problem just 1.07 is beter stick to new board 1.5. I share the sentiment that nothing is wrong with the firmware, that 1.06 and 1.07 were created rather to protect users from themselves... But it is true that some things have been refined and improved in later FWs, including safety features. But no amount of FW changes can keep certain people from face-planting... Edited May 10, 2020 by travsformation 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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