MSS vs MSP

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Is it a 19" rim, or another 18" measured at tire circumference? Good news for the gotway people for sure!

[xorbe]

6 hours ago, Boogieman said:

If MSX stopped producing that means they go all in on 19" wheels now i Guess (a pity) except the Tesla v2 and the small wheels

I would love the 17" MSX [...]

Nothing has changed in tire size for MSX/MSP/MSS.  It's 18x3 but they list it as 19" as it's like 19.5" in reality at the outer edge or so.

[Boogieman]

1 hour ago, xorbe said:

Nothing has changed in tire size for MSX/MSP/MSS.  It's 18x3 but they list it as 19" as it's like 19.5" in reality at the outer edge or so.

Youre right, I mixed up Nikola and MSX (because i think the MSX is a lot more quick steered / quicker responding than the Nikola, quick steering normally relates to smaller diameter and less wide tyre) (currently riding Tesla...quicker than any of theese in steering due to less wide tyre and 16"...starting to think diameter doesnt make that big of an impact on response, but rather width. The z10 was crazy slow /hard to push down.

Rechecked this excellent table (unhide cells to see msx old version) and indeed

Tire MF 18, PEV MF 19,meassures 19.5"

The Nikola though tire MF 16", PEV MF 17", meassures 17.25"

All of the above 3" wide tyre....Im stoked, I didn't wamt the MSP due to big diameter, but love the MSX. Now I understand they are the same wheel and chassis :-) Thanks for the correction guys 😍

 

Edited June 9, 2020 by Boogieman

[EMA]

the high speed msuper pro is exactly the one you can get from ewheels (2000w "old" motor with new board and firmware )

the torque version has the 2500W 

[Preston Palmer]

12 hours ago, EMA said:

the high speed msuper pro is exactly the one you can get from ewheels (2000w "old" motor with new board and firmware )

the torque version has the 2500W 

Absolutely correct.  The HIGH SPEED MSS is available on eWheels today....  I opted for the high torque MSP. 

[Rywokast]

1 hour ago, Preston Palmer said:

Absolutely correct.  The HIGH SPEED MSS is available on eWheels today....  I opted for the high torque MSP. 

everyone should open their MSP and check all components as well as go very slow for the first few hundred km... i have seen three on FB now go out in spectacular fashion, enough to make me change my mind on getting one with the problems on the monster V3, MSP, and various nikolas now... it seems obvious to me now that the 84V MSX was a fluke, and i think i will be sticking with brands that actually care if their customers die or burn down their houses for the foreseeable future lol

https://www.facebook.com/groups/GotWay/

[Marty Backe]

2 hours ago, Rywokast said:

everyone should open their MSP and check all components as well as go very slow for the first few hundred km... i have seen three on FB now go out in spectacular fashion, enough to make me change my mind on getting one with the problems on the monster V3, MSP, and various nikolas now... it seems obvious to me now that the 84V MSX was a fluke, and i think i will be sticking with brands that actually care if their customers die or burn down their houses for the foreseeable future lol

https://www.facebook.com/groups/GotWay/

Three? I missed the third MSP. And what was the problem with the Monster V3?

Jason should have news tomorrow regarding if the MSP failures are random or if there is a batch issue.

I really wish there was competition for Gotway. Then either they'd get noticeably better or disappear. Maybe Veteran will be it but we're way too early in that story to know.

And don't say KingSong or Inmotion. If they represented performance competition than Gotway would already be dead.

Edited June 10, 2020 by Marty Backe

[Rywokast]

12 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:

Three? I missed the third MSP. And what was the problem with the Monster V3?

Jason should have news tomorrow regarding if the MSP failures are random or if there is a batch issue.

I really wish there was competition for Gotway. Then either they'd get noticeably better or disappear. Maybe Veteran will be it but we're way too early in that story to know.

And don't say KingSong or Inmotion. If they represented performance competition than Gotway would already be dead.

seen two now go up in smoke for seemingly no reason, and another destroy itself from water damage from apparently just shortly riding in light rain.. thats just within like a week... and dont forget the oscillation issues as well, though luckily have yet to see any of those end badly hopefully they all got new boards sent to them... the monster V3s have had issues with batteries shipping with dead cells.. which as you know can be dangerous for various reasons.. they have caused ewheels a headache and forced them to implement their own QC list that is supposed to happen for every single wheel as well as their own guy there doing the spot checks.. oh yes i absolutely agree with you there is no competition for gotway at all, thats why only through immense dealer and community pressure did they even start to make minor iterative improvements over the years, of course at the expense of us guinea pigs.. thank god i saw your video on the nikola right before mine was shipped out and i said i want the new board in it or cancel my order now.... however even with the new board now there is the slew of 84V nikola board issues with the 5V DC converter i think where all the lights on the wheel remain on indefinitely lol, you are right that if any of the others were to suddenly make wheels of more varying sizes with much higher top speeds gotway would go out of business fast.. they use inferior materials, poor internal designs that are then poorly assembled with little to no QC, and again little to no thought put into ergonomics generally speaking

[Will R]

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Both the 2500w and 2000w models are affected.

[Rywokast]

2 minutes ago, Will R said:

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Both the 2500w and 2000w models are affected.

its most likely a board issue with the fact that gw is totally fine having absolutely zero cable management and just cramming everything in there wherever it fits.. every wheel looks like someone built it themselves in their basement lol

Edited June 10, 2020 by Rywokast

[Will R]

They rode on the success of the low-faliure MSX boards and didn't step up their build quality game when they could have. Unfortunately now Veteran is playing the top specs game they've shot themselves in the foot as those who want reliability or suspension will buy kingsong or inmotion, and those who want balls to the wall speed or range will chose a Sherman. 

[Yanex87]

46 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:

Three? I missed the third MSP. And what was the problem with the Monster V3?

Jason should have news tomorrow regarding if the MSP failures are random or if there is a batch issue.

I really wish there was competition for Gotway. Then either they'd get noticeably better or disappear. Maybe Veteran will be it but we're way too early in that story to know.

And don't say KingSong or Inmotion. If they represented performance competition than Go

Just wondering if this issue are just those has Mspro High speed cz for that they use different motherboard and as far as what i saw the motherboards are look like athe new MSX motherboard even come with the sticker MsuperX 100volts. So that question now is that are those mspro that burn MB are the High speed with 2000w motor or the regular Mspro with 2500w motor. I ask this because i have an Mspro 2500w and everything if fine work great  and i was think to change it to a high speed 2000w motor. And i just received recently the Motherboard for the 2000w motor from ewheels and jason told me that this board are being used in the HIgh speed mspro. And i dont have a chance to switch it yet and now here come and issue of motherboard burning now im kind of worried about it if i change it. I hope they get this resolve or know the issue at hand.

[Rywokast]

10 minutes ago, Yanex87 said:

Just wondering if this issue are just those has Mspro High speed cz for that they use different motherboard and as far as what i saw the motherboards are look like athe new MSX motherboard even come with the sticker MsuperX 100volts. So that question now is that are those mspro that burn MB are the High speed with 2000w motor or the regular Mspro with 2500w motor. I ask this because i have an Mspro 2500w and everything if fine work great  and i was think to change it to a high speed 2000w motor. And i just received recently the Motherboard for the 2000w motor from ewheels and jason told me that this board are being used in the HIgh speed mspro. And i dont have a chance to switch it yet and now here come and issue of motherboard burning now im kind of worried about it if i change it. I hope they get this resolve or know the issue at hand.

i do believe they are using the same board.. perhaps with different FW? one of these that just got posted was the high speed version and the other was the high torque version.. either way obviously now its either due to the board itself or the assembly, since it has just happened to both variants

Edited June 10, 2020 by Rywokast

[Marty Backe]

4 hours ago, Rywokast said:

seen two now go up in smoke for seemingly no reason, and another destroy itself from water damage from apparently just shortly riding in light rain.. thats just within like a week... and dont forget the oscillation issues as well, though luckily have yet to see any of those end badly hopefully they all got new boards sent to them... the monster V3s have had issues with batteries shipping with dead cells.. which as you know can be dangerous for various reasons.. they have caused ewheels a headache and forced them to implement their own QC list that is supposed to happen for every single wheel as well as their own guy there doing the spot checks.. oh yes i absolutely agree with you there is no competition for gotway at all, thats why only through immense dealer and community pressure did they even start to make minor iterative improvements over the years, of course at the expense of us guinea pigs.. thank god i saw your video on the nikola right before mine was shipped out and i said i want the new board in it or cancel my order now.... however even with the new board now there is the slew of 84V nikola board issues with the 5V DC converter i think where all the lights on the wheel remain on indefinitely lol, you are right that if any of the others were to suddenly make wheels of more varying sizes with much higher top speeds gotway would go out of business fast.. they use inferior materials, poor internal designs that are then poorly assembled with little to no QC, and again little to no thought put into ergonomics generally speaking

OK, so the 3rd one is the water damage. I get it, but I do put that into a different category of problem that every wheel is susceptible to (see a wheel called the 16X with it's horrible weather sealing). Rain I can protect myself against. Self destructing control boards? Not so much.

[davinche]

Did the 16x used to have a lot of water ingress/damage issues? Jason sent me a 16x as a replacement for my burnt up Nikola. I opened it up and it seems pretty solid to me. Power button is siliconed, speakers have gasketing silicone etc. The only mod I had to do is the "foam" mod where the mudguard meets the inner shell - this is still an area of ingress for dust and water but the gap doesn't seem to be as severe as the pictures shown in the Mods thread.

Only thing is... the 16x is "slow". I miss that smooth smooth acceleration of the Nikola and the top speed safety buffer (I only peaked at ~34mph, avg 23-27mph on the Nikola).

Edited June 10, 2020 by davinche

[Marty Backe]

10 minutes ago, davinche said:

Did the 16x used to have a lot of water ingress/damage issues? Jason sent me a 16x as a replacement for my burnt up Nikola. I opened it up and it seems pretty solid to me. Power button is siliconed, speakers have gasketing silicone etc. The only mod I had to do is the "foam" mod where the mudguard meets the inner shell - this is still an area of ingress for dust and water but the gap doesn't seem to be as severe as the pictures shown in the Mods thread.

Only thing is... the 16x is "slow". I miss that smooth smooth acceleration of the Nikola and the top speed safety buffer (I only peaked at ~34mph, avg 23-27mph on the Nikola).

I'm not aware of water issues, just poor seals from the outside. All of the lower LEDs on my 16X have amazing quantities of dirt inside. I heard that KingSong made improvements, but my first batch is stuck with dirt. I don't feel like taking it apart to clean and install weather barriers so I'll live with the dirt.

You still have your Nikola?

Have you joined my Telegram group so you can participate in some local group rides? See my signature for info if not.

Edited June 10, 2020 by Marty Backe

[davinche]

5 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:

You still have your Nikola?

Have you joined my Telegram group so you can participate in some local group rides? See my signature for info if not.

No... my Nikola is the one that went up in flames. I'll join the telegram though, but I only have a 16x haha.

Edited June 10, 2020 by davinche

[Rywokast]

56 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:

OK, so the 3rd one is the water damage. I get it, but I do put that into a different category of problem that every wheel is susceptible to (see a wheel called the 16X with it's horrible weather sealing). Rain I can protect myself against. Self destructing control boards? Not so much.

oh yea I just meant in a spectacular fashion as in self destructing and throwing off the rider.. I don't believe most wheels with top mounted boards would have this happen from riding in the rain, could happen to any wheel though yea

[Meserias]

any new owners of MSS here (from EUCSERVICE) ?
could you please post your thoughts.

[HippoPig]

17 minutes ago, Meserias said:

any new owners of MSS here (from EUCSERVICE) ?
could you please post your thoughts.

They won’t be in people’s hands until mid July

[Meserias]

if you order when ....today ?

Edited June 10, 2020 by Meserias

[Patricio Bohórquez Rodríguez de Medina]

4 hours ago, Meserias said:

any new owners of MSS here (from EUCSERVICE) ?
could you please post your thoughts.

I bought my standard MSP (not MSS) from EUCSERVICE. The good point is that Daniel checked all the components (engine, motherboard, etc). No problem after driving 350 km on steep mountains.

 

Edited June 10, 2020 by Patricio Bohórquez Rodríguez de Medina

[Marty Backe]

8 hours ago, davinche said:

No... my Nikola is the one that went up in flames. I'll join the telegram though, but I only have a 16x haha.

Only the 16X? That's a great wheel and can do any of the rides that we do. Hope to meet you some time 

[HippoPig]

8 hours ago, Meserias said:

if you order when ....today ?

I don’t know - I Ordered end of April and that’s the message I have. (Via erides)

 

I also ordered one of Daniel’s wheels for the peace of mind re: QC

Edited June 10, 2020 by HippoPig

[AtlasP]

On 6/9/2020 at 7:14 PM, Marty Backe said:

I really wish there was competition for Gotway. Then either they'd get noticeably better or disappear. Maybe Veteran will be it but we're way too early in that story to know.

And don't say KingSong or Inmotion. If they represented performance competition than Gotway would already be dead.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Marty, can you please define the core specs that you believe qualify as performance competition? I'm assuming 100v speeds are not part of the criteria for you given your speed profile. (I completely get the dismissal of IM surrounding the V10F-era's speed & throttling profile and battery, but I just don't see how the blanket dismissal should continue given what we know now about the V11.)

For those not paying attention, the story surrounding the V11 has changed over the past month:

• IM confirmed 50km/h (31mph) all the way down to 30% battery, and a bonus of 55km/h (34 mph) over 80% battery, while upgrading the battery to 1500Wh
• Kuji says fantastic torque/on par with the MSX
• While Kuji says its suspension may not be quite as good as the S18, he has also said "Both are significantly smoother to ride on bumpy streets than any wheel without suspension." which still puts the V11 above any previous non-suspension wheel (while being the only such wheel with a decent-sized battery & usable down to 30%)
• Kuji says the best headlight ever made, best pedals, better weight distribution/profile than most high-end wheels, trolley handle w/ cutoff switch and kickstand are great
• Fastest IP55-rated wheel on the market/only wheel that hits both IP55 and 50km/h
• Revolutionary new BMS (which lets you diagnose individual pack health from the app, and which allows a whole pack to fail while still operating using remaining pack)
• Has the 3"-wide tire you insist on
• Weight-wise it's within ~2 kg of both the Nik+ you rave about and now also the S18 (which KS recently had to bump to 25kg)

Ultimately then on paper the V11 is like a Nikola that weighs only 2kg more, has only 100-300 less Wh, while having superior ride quality, torque, headlight, weight distribution, IP rating, quality control/production values, etc. Unless you think 100-300 Wh is enough to make the difference between "performance" or not, there are literally no other metrics left to justify the distinction at sub-100v speeds.

With these latest repeats of Gotways infamous failings coming out yet again on both their flagships Nik and MSS/MSP, it's not hard to forsee a future where 100v speed demon riders migrate to Veteran (if they don't have any obvious problems) while those content with 84v speeds increasingly look back to the innovation now coming from IM and KS who are stepping up their game. Gotway could be in serious, serious trouble in as little as 12-18 months depending on the combination of Veteran and V11 (and even S18) launches.

 

Edited June 26, 2020 by AtlasP