redfoxdude Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jack King Song said: If youâve received an S18 please update to the latest firmware! (2.05) I would if I could, but the app says I have the latest with 2.03 đ¤ˇââď¸ Please don't tell me I need a super old Android phone to get the update to work... Edited August 1, 2020 by redfoxdude 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying W Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 So.....what's in the new firmware 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrelwood Posted August 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 1, 2020  6 hours ago, ShanesPlanet said: its a crapshoot of how much is really in it, as you lose some when taking the pump off. Doesnât the S18 pump have the little lever that engages and disengages the valve when the hose is screwed in place? V11 does and people have said that itâs the same pump. 4 hours ago, ShanesPlanet said: I was just hoping for a lot more pulling power with less user input. A smaller tire diameter is the only factor that can notably help with that.  Even the S18 canât overcome the laws of physics.  The 3â tire on the S18 actually makes it  slightly larger than the 18L. Firmware does play a small role as well, but going from KS to KS I wouldnât expect much difference. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfoxdude Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 19 minutes ago, mrelwood said: Doesnât the S18 pump have the little lever that engages and disengages the valve when the hose is screwed in place? V11 does and people have said that itâs the same pump. It's the same brand, but a slightly different model. At least, the one I received, that is. I found that I lose around 20 PSI from the positive chamber, and about 10 PSI from the negative chamber, so I just over fill by that much now. Seems to be working, when I go to adjust the pressure, I get the expected reading after reattaching the pump. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbhb Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, mrelwood said: Doesnât the S18 pump have the little lever that engages and disengages the valve when the hose is screwed in place? V11 does and people have said that itâs the same pump.  45 minutes ago, redfoxdude said: It's the same brand, but a slightly different model. At least, the one I received, that is. Judging from the King Song video explaining the shock pressure set up, the supplied S18 pump is also supposed to be a dual mode pump that can be used to pump the tires at lower pressure too!  @redfoxdude can you confirm this is the case with your one please (the one in the video did not have the shut off lever though)? Edited August 1, 2020 by fbhb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfoxdude Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 21 minutes ago, fbhb said: Judging from the King Song video explaining the shock pressure set up, the supplied S18 pump is also supposed to be a dual mode pump that can be used to pump the tires at lower pressure too!  @redfoxdude can you confirm this is the case with your one please (the one in the video did not have the shut off lever though)? Unfortunately, I didn't get that model, either  I got this one: https://giyo.com.tw/web/03product/03shock/GS-02PT.php 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbhb Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 1 minute ago, redfoxdude said: Unfortunately, I didn't get that model, either  I got this one: https://giyo.com.tw/web/03product/03shock/GS-02PT.php Bummer! I do hope when my S18 finally arrives I get the dual mode one as it would be extra useful to carry in a backpack! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniVehje Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 4 hours ago, redfoxdude said: So much fun. Hitting gnarly tree roots in the paths like a boss - I hardly felt them! Oooohhh... I hate roots! Worst thing when riding on forest paths. Sounds perfect đđť, looking forward to my suspension wheel soon. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post UniVehje Posted August 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 1, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, redfoxdude said: Unfortunately, I didn't get that model, either  I got this one: https://giyo.com.tw/web/03product/03shock/GS-02PT.php This model comes with the V11: https://giyo.com.tw/web/03product/03shock/GS-02D.php. Funny how the model without the lever advertises 2-3 PSI precision adjusting and then you loose indeterminate amount of pressure when removing the hose. 29 minutes ago, fbhb said: Bummer! I do hope when my S18 finally arrives I get the dual mode one as it would be extra useful to carry in a backpack! Be very sure to get a really good one or just carry both. I have a dual pump that cost about 25 âŹ. Itâs just not good for either usage. No lever to stop air flow before unscrewing it from the shock and the cage is for high PSI numbers so impossible to see any pressure numbers when filling the tire. The needle width alone covers 20 PSI worth of pressure range. Also feels flimsy. It works as a backup that CAN fill both tire and shocks, but neither one precisely. Edited August 1, 2020 by UniVehje 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..... Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, mrelwood said:  Doesnât the S18 pump have the little lever that engages and disengages the valve when the hose is screwed in place? V11 does and people have said that itâs the same pump. A smaller tire diameter is the only factor that can notably help with that.  Even the S18 canât overcome the laws of physics.  The 3â tire on the S18 actually makes it  slightly larger than the 18L. Firmware does play a small role as well, but going from KS to KS I wouldnât expect much difference. Mine came with this one. It unscrews to break the seal. Since its a pita to get to the top valve, its hard to unscrew it REALLY fast to try and minimize air loss. Its amazing how small an amount of air they really hold! It has a button to release air. I have truck gauges here, nothing that goes above 100psi. I'll find something a little better, or just get used to it I guess. Good point about the tire diameter. I have to say that it is VERY flavor of Kingsong. I'd bet they built on the winning 18XL formula and that would make perfect sense. I'll get used to it and toss on some power pads. I don't have any pads on the 18L, I like my rollNZ too much. This s18 just screams custom pads to me. I'll need to dial in a VERY plush ride. Im so used to having a lot of travel and I dont weigh shit. Even if a suspension is a tad soft for bigger jumps, lets not forget that we can still use our knees to help. Now, if only it would stop raining and we could get firmware notes.... Edited August 1, 2020 by ShanesPlanet 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fbhb Posted August 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 1, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, ShanesPlanet said: Now, if only it would stop raining and we could get firmware notes.... @ShanesPlanet I have asked Jack via Facebook about the changes in firmware 2.05 and quoted the conversation and his answer below. ME "16:59 Jack, we saw you testing a New firmware recently in your Facebook story! Now that you have just released it to the community, are you able to say what the changes are? Is it in relation to the braking motor noise that was reported recently? Or some other performance related upgrade? New owners are asking before they go ahead and apply the update. I look forward to your reply. Regards. JACK KING SONG 21:09 205 is still being tested but 204 is fully stable. 205 offers more torque and wheel is quieter. Iâm looking to try to improve braking ME 22:13 Thank you for your answer Jack. JACK KING SONG 00:31 Keep in mind that 205 will be available for release next week. Edited August 1, 2020 by fbhb 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Wilson Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 Another video of the S18 off-road  3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 4 hours ago, fbhb said:  Judging from the King Song video explaining the shock pressure set up, the supplied S18 pump is also supposed to be a dual mode pump that can be used to pump the tires at lower pressure too!  @redfoxdude can you confirm this is the case with your one please (the one in the video did not have the shut off lever though)? I too was issued a single mode pump. Thinking I was doing something wrong I banged on it, twisted the handle around, unscrewed the end cap. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 (edited) On 7/29/2020 at 10:26 PM, ShanesPlanet said: Totally sick and one sure fire way to be worried about your wheel. DO you want to enjoy it or admire it? I may need to reconsider adding an airbrushed Terminator to my S18. As my wheel goes through battle testing the area I selected for the artwork is taking some abuse. I have some clear heat moldable polyplastic coming Monday to see if artwork could be protected.  Edited August 1, 2020 by Rehab1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feynman Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Rehab1 said: I may need to reconsider adding an airbrushed Terminator to my S18. As my wheel goes through battle testing the area I selected for the artwork is taking some abuse. I have some clear heat moldable polyplastic coming Monday to see if artwork could be protected.  We use this stuff for our paramotor props to keep rocks from chipping the edge. Might work for that: https://www.amazon.com/3M-Scotchgard-Clear-Protection-72-inches/dp/B004VG6SWS/ref=sr_1_31?dchild=1&keywords=3m+clear+rubber&qid=1596297249&sr=8-31 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EUChristian Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Feynman said: We use this stuff for our paramotor props to keep rocks from chipping the edge. Might work for that: https://www.amazon.com/3M-Scotchgard-Clear-Protection-72-inches/dp/B004VG6SWS/ref=sr_1_31?dchild=1&keywords=3m+clear+rubber&qid=1596297249&sr=8-31 I do not believe this will provide the protection needed for this utility unfortunately. Building a neoprene cover would be better but unsure how to make that work on this design. My KS16 neoprene cover really helps a ton. Too bad I destroyed the week before I bought it.  maybe individual neoprene covers die each panel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EUChristian Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 For scratches on black wheels I use a sharpie marker. Not perfect but takes the shine out of the scratches and makes them less noticeable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Stern Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Rehab1 said: I may need to reconsider adding an airbrushed Terminator to my S18. As my wheel goes through battle testing the area I selected for the artwork is taking some abuse. I have some clear heat moldable polyplastic coming Monday to see if artwork could be protected.  An airbrushed Terminator would be so 80s anyway (teenage boy in the 80s, no less). Don't do it. Less is more. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrelwood Posted August 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 1, 2020 (edited) For scratches on EUCs in general, I tap myself in the back for the effort. Then I try again so that the scratch wouldnât be so lonely. Has worked perfectly so far! Edited August 1, 2020 by mrelwood 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fryman Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 5 hours ago, Rehab1 said: I may need to reconsider adding an airbrushed Terminator to my S18. As my wheel goes through battle testing the area I selected for the artwork is taking some abuse. I have some clear heat moldable polyplastic coming Monday to see if artwork could be protected.  Hey Dan,  After you learn to ride this wheel can you give us your thoughts on it? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rehab1 Posted August 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 1, 2020 1 hour ago, fryman said: Hey Dan,  After you learn to ride this wheel can you give us your thoughts on it? Funny! Yes I can ride it but not babying the wheel as you can see. To be truthful I have never had some much fun on a new wheel (except the Mten 3) The shock absorbing attributes are amazing. My knees would have occurrences of  pain both during and after off- roading but the S18 appears to have alleviated that soreness significantly. Before it rained I was able to march through Kingsongâs 10 Km requirement by riding through my mole infested 2 acres (I hate moles) . What an absolute pleasure smashing down the bumpy mounds. Handling is fantastic. For me the shock system has posed no negative effects on the wheelâs maneuverability and handling.  No wobbles at my end which appear to be a curse for other owners. Turns on a dime. I havenât tried reversals yet. No opportunity to test out the new update which is suppose to increase the torque which appears somewhat weak when mounting. I had to change my mounting technique at bit which caused me to miss a pedal. I felt like a neophyte. I wanted to try out the wooded trails this weekend but the rain shows no signs of letting up. The bumps will be more severe than those in my yard but given my current impression of the enhanced riding comfort and excellent handling characteristics I believe the upcoming riding experience will be impressive! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 4 hours ago, EUChristian said: For scratches on black wheels I use a sharpie marker. Not perfect but takes the shine out of the scratches and makes them less noticeable. Thanks. Yes that works great. I have also used variable speed arbors at work with specialized smoothing cones. I also melt in black wax and hand smooth the surface. Iâm hoping the transparent side shields that I fabricate next week will offer a high degree of protection but in reality the scratches donât seem to concern me like they use to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerotheCat Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Rehab1 said: Thanks. Yes that works great. I have also used variable speed arbors at work with specialized smoothing cones. I also melt in black wax and hand smooth the surface. Iâm hoping the transparent side shields that I fabricate next week will offer a high degree of protection but in reality the scratches donât seem to concern me like they use to. They add "Character" . :-D Edited August 1, 2020 by HerotheCat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 13 minutes ago, HerotheCat said: They add "Character" . :-D Just like dents in your car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 7 hours ago, Rehab1 said: I may need to reconsider adding an airbrushed Terminator to my S18. As my wheel goes through battle testing the area I selected for the artwork is taking some abuse. I have some clear heat moldable polyplastic coming Monday to see if artwork could be protected.  Hey, while you're still battle testing you could spray this panel with Plasti Dip (or similar) rubber paint, and peel it off later when you're ready for the art! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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