Unventor Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 hour ago, SamSuffit said: I only started my EUC journey 1,5 year ago so I don't have the whole history. But has it ever happen that an demo has been cancelled due to forum rumors? On what do you base this? Or is it just you speculating? Please stop rumors! (it was so tempting....just kidding ) Well the KS16X made a few demos but never the full expected tour on the US side. If this was due to people not like the similar Z10 lifestyle or feel or there was an issue with the demo unit I can't say. But it only got a few reviews compared to how many that was signed up for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AtlasP Posted April 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Patton250 said: One thing I have noticed is there are a lot more experts here on this forum then there are in the factories of IM and KS With prominent EUC makers still producing wheels (of-their-own-accord, before-the-objections-of-the-community to fix it) with hot-glued mosfets, upgraded-but-then-downgraded-and-have-to-be-re-upgraded mosfets, boards having the wrong/broken firmware and unfixable without replacing the entire board, major dust and water ingress issues (one of those leading to spontaneous combustion), pronounced phantom power draw, apps that haven't worked for months or years forcing a prominent retailer to sponsor the development of third party apps for their customers to use, etc, etc--your joke may have more truth to it and your facepalm seems directed at the wrong parties. Edited April 16, 2020 by AtlasP 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KiwiRoller Posted April 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 16, 2020 It's good to see passionate discussion between people who love their craft. For my part, I am interested in this wheel. We ran a poll a couple of months ago, and suspension was one of the higher voted items in the poll. And here we are. We have not one, but two new models with different approaches to suspension to try, and I would be shocked to learn Gotway wasn't already experimenting with it in some way too. I am not sure how much the suspension changes the ride, and whether it would change it in ways that feel good or not. The only way to tell that is to ride it. But I am looking foward to trying either of these wheels once they become available... my knees are pretty bad from years of sports, and a 40min ride at 50kms+/hr - when I get home I am rubbing tiger balm into my knees every time. Maybe suspension can help that... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unventor Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 @AtlasP I think you a fair point in general it isn't perfect with quality, apps, spare parts availability. But on the other hand I really agree with @Patton250 after past days event after announcement of suspension generation of wheels. How things can be approached is very different in different countries and cultures. What is natural for some could be the total opposite for others. Also I do think that as riders we do not always consider how hard some have worked to sort out things to make a launch deadline. It is in the end trying to communicate so both agree sending a message and receiver get the message as intended. Agree or disagree isn't not what I mean but understanding respect and end goals are to all benefits is key here. Despite some would do something different. Same goes for manufacturers that they can just do as they please and expect every one else are happy about it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Asphalt Posted April 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, Unventor said: Well the KS16X made a few demos but never the full expected tour on the US side. If this was due to people not like the similar Z10 lifestyle or feel or there was an issue with the demo unit I can't say. But it only got a few reviews compared to how many that was signed up for it. My memory of the KS-16X launch is a little fuzzy, but as I recall, when the KS-16X was first announced, King Song said it was going to have a 45 km/h top speed. There was a lot of negative feedback from the community, resulting in pressure from dealers asking King Song to make it a 50 km/h wheel. King Song obliged, but this resulted in some high-speed cut-outs that King Song tried to fix by iterating through several firmware updates, as the prototype made its way out to the first reviewers. I guess that King Song didn't want any more reviewers to test the KS-16X until they could correct the issues through the firmware. Unfortunately, the firmware fixes took a lot longer than anyone expected, in fact a couple production batches had left the factory before it was fixed (some people argue that it's still not fixed). So I think the reason there were so few reviews was because it wasn't ready during the review window. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ..... Posted April 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 17, 2020 (edited) https://www.facebook.com/kingsong.international/videos/1488438161333961/ Edited April 17, 2020 by ShanesPlanet 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EUC Custom Power-Pads Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 12 hours ago, Patton250 said: One thing I have noticed is there are a lot more experts here on this forum then there are in the factories of IM and KS Even if it is not about IM or KS, but just an example that manufacturers of EUCs should perhaps listen to the tips of non-engineers! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post onizukagto Posted April 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 17, 2020 Wow! That jump! 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 (edited) Well, well, well look who is here... Kingsong's top trickster... The Man himself... Edited April 17, 2020 by pico 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Camenbert Posted April 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 17, 2020 (edited) 21 hours ago, SamSuffit said: For tech enthusiasts, here is the analysis of the KS S18 suspension system (not official, based on hypothesis) Source french forum for thanking the author: https://www.espritroue.fr/topic/12149-nouvelle-kingsong-2020-la-s18/?do=findComment&comment=238656 Quite mesmerizing, but it raises some additional questions on the balance of the wheel: Is it front heavy? (Consequence: the wheel will tend to accelerate on its own, quite dangerous) Thank you Sam for this illustration, I was always wonder how the suspension was working, I could not make my mind with the product pictures alone ! I don't understand the reactions on this forum, people take a question to react like you're destroying something. I should say French always ask question, even if obviously well engineered, to get how they solve the challenge. 20 more cells on front is only 1.3 kg, for sure laying out the other components can balance this, if suspension is not exactly this weight. I am new on this Forum and would like to see more positive reaction please, to be a pleasant place to be I'm in line with AtlasP reaction. This is why we use Forums by the way. Edited April 17, 2020 by Camenbert 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B08AH Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 6 hours ago, Camenbert said: 20 more cells on front is only 1.3 kg, That might work as a rough estimate of suspension parts weight. And it probably is the reason why battery is 3p and they can only upgrade it to 5p, not 4p. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jimjam.nyc Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 I keep floating back and forth between waiting for this wheel.. and just ordering a 16x right now.. This video looks awesome, and makes my decision even tougher! I am in NYC.. Pretty much a beginner rider, the one thing that is constantly making me lose confidence in my ride is potholes.. This wheel seems like it will be the best help with that whole thing.. I was about to bite the bullet and get a 16x thinking it will be better for urban riding.. But this video just dragged me back into this wheel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..... Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, jimjam.nyc said: I keep floating back and forth between waiting for this wheel.. and just ordering a 16x right now.. This video looks awesome, and makes my decision even tougher! I am in NYC.. Pretty much a beginner rider, the one thing that is constantly making me lose confidence in my ride is potholes.. This wheel seems like it will be the best help with that whole thing.. I was about to bite the bullet and get a 16x thinking it will be better for urban riding.. But this video just dragged me back into this wheel. Big height difference between the 16 and 18 with suspension. Perhaps that detail could help you choose? Do what most of us with the sickness do... buy both and impatiently wait for a smokin' deal on a third? I would perhaps lean towards a proven design if its your only wheel and you may want it for commute. Edited April 20, 2020 by ShanesPlanet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phong Vu Posted April 20, 2020 Author Share Posted April 20, 2020 My strategy, waiting for S18 and V11 but keep both eyes open for a sweet 16X/18XL/18L deal Start seeing people selling those wheels now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjam.nyc Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, ShanesPlanet said: Big height difference between the 16 and 18 with suspension. Perhaps that detail could help you choose? Do what most of us with the sickness do... buy both and impatiently wait for a smokin' deal on a third? Normally.. I would probably buy both.. heheh. With everything going on right now i am trying to be somewhat reasonable with what i spend on. I currently have a V8 which i learned on and really do enjoy the thing. I honestly don't see myself getting rid of that anytime soon. So my thought is get the bigger wheel next! The V8 is just scary to me when i hit some of the bigger bumps. Its tire is just a bit too narrow and always gets me off guard.. Luckily haven't really taken much of a spill yet.. I think i just need to get better really.. Edited April 20, 2020 by jimjam.nyc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonm42 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Love those right angle turns and acceleration. @Kuji Rolls rocks! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Unventor Posted April 20, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 20, 2020 It is always a battle between new and fancy vs 1st batch issues and proven old stuff vs something new might be better. There are a lot of benefits with KS16X but if you are a new rider you should know this like riding a wild horse with a mind if it's own and it isn't build for speed. So a KS18XL wight look old but it work especially since they switch to same lift sensor system used in KS16X (digital sensors switches as in on/off). There are a lot of unknowns with both S18 and IM V11. In the end you should make a top three list of why you buy a new wheel. Then look at which option covers this best and if you actually would benefit from splitting this into 2 wheels or it can be done with one. As an example. I can't think of anything that can replace my KS16X. But it is heavy so I have a V10F for when a lighter wherl is more important. Now I pre ordered a V11 so my KS18L is not needed as much as the V11 can take its place. The V11 seems to fit 80%of my rides. I am not sure the S18 can do that. Partly due to open design and KS not taking weatherproof as something that must be takes seriously, imho. Weight isn't normally an issue, so the V11 will be my daily wheel once it arrives. KS16X will be my explorer/super slow ride/long distance wheel. V10f will serve me on rainy days and winter time and if I don't need range but need a simple nimble ride. My needs is likely not the same as yours. It is just to showcase it is hard that solo EUC that handles all. But imho KS18XL is properly if not the best then 2nd best all round wheel of any aspect. 50kmh is in 95% enough for most. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xorbe Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 24 minutes ago, Unventor said: In the end you should make a top three list of why you buy a new wheel. Then look at which option covers this best and if you actually would benefit from splitting this into 2 wheels or it can be done with one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonm42 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Are there 14 suitable different wheels to buy? Or do we have to add skateboards and scooters, too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asphalt Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Great Kuji Rolls video of the Urban Freeride. Looks like he's been able to dial the suspension in. @1:00 Suspension looks stiff enough on acceleration. The slight give may create a slingshot feeling. @1:50 Pedals look like they fold up pretty smoothly. Wonder if they're using friction or magnets to keep them up? @1:52 The ShakeWeight theory is put to bed. That stair carry didn't look particularly easy with the supinated grip, but still about the same amount of knee-slamming as any other 22+kg wheel. These videos are inching me closer and closer to pulling the pre-order trigger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phong Vu Posted April 20, 2020 Author Share Posted April 20, 2020 Looking at the stair carrying scene make me really think twice about V11.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unventor Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, Phong Vu said: Looking at the stair carrying scene make me really think twice about V11.... Well as it has bigger battery you just go around instead of taking stairs. Joke aside. EUC is not really designed for lifted transport over several stairs. But sometimes it can't be helped. Luckily I don't ride places where I need to lift my wherl a lot. Maybe 1 or 3 steps once in a while. But after a while you get used to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phong Vu Posted April 20, 2020 Author Share Posted April 20, 2020 57 minutes ago, Unventor said: But after a while you get used to it. Maybe. I only commute with the V8 so far, usually I just take the nearest stairs. Never own a heavy duty wheel so I don't know what to expect, maybe it time to find something with similar weight to try it on. And as it's not hard enough to choose, the 18XL price just drop to $1872 usd... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..... Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 (edited) One thing we can be sure... carrying weight is carrying weight. one of the MANY things we can't be sure of on ANY of the newer wheels are: water resistance, longevity, reliability, power, and many others. Closed design wheels have proven to be both water resistant and not, hopefully both the sks and v11 prove to be up to the test in real world use. We can also somewhat be sure that both wheels are rideable and seem like fun. Suspension wheels have more parts, so I would assume a little more maintenance. I wouldn't be considering any of the suspension wheels yet, IF I didnt have a proven reliable wheel already. That price on an 18XL makes it an excellent choice too. I'd say it wont take a few months after a wheel is released, to hear ALL about what's wrong with it. I think its exciting to have both options, and would be thrilled to own both the sks18 and v11. I'm still not convinced of how great EITHER of them is, and I wont fall into the trap of assuming one is superior. I'll just be super excited if either of the new suspension wheels out, WORK and continue to do so far a long time. Edited April 20, 2020 by ShanesPlanet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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