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I really enjoyed catching up on this thread, thanks for sharing your thoughts for your first 6-9 mos or so. I'm still waiting on my first EUC and decided to cancel my deposit on the V11 since I won't get much riding in before winter, not knowing where they really are in the production stage. Ewheels has some other wheels in stock like the 16X ready to ship though so I'm researching those and it led me to your thread. You have a gift for writing (and riding). Looking forward to hearing more in the future!

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@manieuc Thanks for the nice words ... much appreciated.

I am highly interested in the V11 also, but I am in a wait-n-see mode for a little bit. There are interesting things happening at Gotway with the EX suspension wheel and Monster Pro.

If you want a larger wheel soon to get rolling on, the 16X is a great 1st wheel. It has gone through some teething issues and improvements. Plus it is a wheel that is nice to keep and ride even after getting more advanced wheels. Mine has been trouble free even though I've dropped it 200+ times. eWheels sent the Roll-NZ bodyguard cover with it when I ordered it. And the 16X is tested to be run over by a bus and survive! :efee78d764: Maybe you already saw this thread?! ;):rolleyes:

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"Like A Ninja"

I can tell I live far from the EUC hot-spots like Los Angeles, New York City, Stockholm, etc. due to the comment I heard from a teenage girl who was part a large gathering of about twenty teenagers under a local park pavilion shelter full of picnic tables. There is a trail that goes by this shelter that has an incline that is steep enough to make it hard going to pedal a bicycle up it. The surface is a mixture of gravel and mulch. Difficult for a bicycle is easy for an EUC.

Today is a gorgeous sunny mid 70's F day, and I just finished watching one of @Mike Sacristan videos where there were about five of them. One fellow just got a new Nik+ with a large battery and he mounted a seat on it. They spent the day enjoying each other's company and blasting around having lots of good clean fun and practicing new tricks. Mike's videos always get me stoked for a ride. So I had to take the MSP out, and as I was riding the MSP up that trail and went by the park shelter, I heard one of the girls say, "He looks like a ninja on that thing". That is what I mean by living far from EUC hot-spots ... she had no idea that I am somewhere between a "horrible newbie" and a below average rider. I must have been the first EUC rider she has ever seen. As mentioned earlier, basic EUC riding looks like a circus act to those that have never seen it. I had a helmet on, so she could not see my balding head with the Captain Jean-Luc Piccard remains, so it may have been hard to tell how old I am. But anyway, I'll take the ninja comment. It could have been much worse! 

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I just caught on to Mister Elwood's videos this week for the 1st time. Since I hear the 'Siren Call' of the V11, I watched his V11 first impressions video. I liked his style of video, so today I watched S18 vs V11 Detailed Faceoff. I can't say I agree or disagree with the S18 issues since I have no 1st hand knowledge. But he did seem like an honest, straight shooter. I've seen other people's videos that described the S18 as more Jeep-like in its suspension reaction to a bump. And watching many V11 videos, the suspension seems more car-like, visibly absorbing the smaller bumps. And it depends on the setup. Some V11 videos made it look like they did not set up the pressures at all and the V11 appeared to take bumps like a conventional EUC.

So I finally answered the Siren Call and ordered the V11, the deciding factor for me has always been the battery size, since I'm on the heavier side. And I'm curious about InMotion products. The Mten3 got ordered at the same time, since we all seem to need one according to many sources around the forum. I think I remember @Marty Backe mentioning that it puts a smile on your face while goofing around in the driveway. I can always use another smile. And I plan to keep that one in my car since it can replace walking any major distance for me if needed, which has become a chore due to the knees. The Mten3 could turn out to be a convenient, neat mobility device. My pride will not let me sit in one of those electric scooter wheelchairs as long as I can stand. And an Mten3 is easier to haul around buy a long shot. Getting into EUC riding was driven by this issue since I saw that guy whiz past me on the trail last October on one. It's fitting that the V11 and Mten3 should arrive this October. Or maybe that means nothing ... hmmmm .... I'm rambling again.   

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I love reading about your adventures. :)

Congrats on your new upcoming wheels! The V11 is going to be awesome.

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I ride in downtown Indy and on the canal everyday so I may have been the not so "young man" that passed by.  It would be great to get you and your buddies added to our little FB group so we can schedule another group ride.  Only 3 made it on our first ride but we've added 4 more in the last month.  Check out my quick video of our last group ride:  

 

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Nice video. I should have read this before your PM. Please PM me on the forum when you are planning another ride. I am not a big FB fan.

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Full Circle!

The Indianapolis USA crew is starting to blossom. As seen a couple posts above, a few guys just started a local FaceBook page to schedule rides and other such things. Looking at the video picture two posts above this one ... @c5flybyu on the left, behind the white EUC, tracked me down on the forum here and told me about a monthly group ride ride they were planning. An EUC addict can't pass that up! The ride was yesterday and I met the guy that 'closes the circle for me'. :eff034a94a::cheers:

The 16X rider sitting in the middle of the 3 guys above is the guy that past by me on the local trail last October. The dancing lights of his 16X mesmerized me and sent me down the Google path to see what that thing was all about. Now I am Full Circle. :clap3: I got to ride with the guy that started all this for me, and he had no idea at the time. I was just another random guy on a bicycle being passed during a ride. But that was all it took. We live in different towns, which explains why I had never seen him again until this ride.

My situation made me wonder what it took to cause the rest you to respect the wheel. So curiosity made me post this. {"Thank you" to those that responded!} On that thread, for the most part, people had a live sighting of a wheel going by, or they fell down the YouTube rabbit hole :efee8319ab:, and then "took matters into their own hands". During the ride I asked c5flybyu if he had a lot of people asking about the wheel when they saw him go by. He said "Yes, and so have you", ... or something close to that. Then I said something like, "Yes, and I'll bet most of those people are asking about the wheel to satisfy an immediate curiosity, and likely nothing more will come of it. Very few will act on it". That other thread found that @UniMe did act on his interview with a wheel rider. So it can happen. Lesson: Be polite and take some time with people if they are curious.

It was a great 3 hour ride, with a couple of rest breaks for my feet. During one of the breaks there was some wheel swapping happening, to see what the other model is like. There was lots of wheel talk, and get to know you talk! The temperature was perfect. We had a 14S, 16X, S18, and an MSP rolling along amazing a few folks with such a rare sight around here. As you can well imagine, people around here are used to seeing 4 wheels on a race car ... not 4 wheels each going their own separate way with a man standing on each one! :laughbounce2:

If you care to watch, here a quick video of our ride that c5flybyu made. I'm the guy wearing the white shirt. Now you know why I like strong wheels ... so I don't have to try and dig holes with my face.

 

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too excited when I wrote this and had to correct for over-exuberance

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Scott,

It was great meeting and talkin to you!  It's amazing how nice all the EUC riders are, excluding me...  I DID drop your wheel at 1mph!:roflmao:What an awesome nimble wheel.  Can't believe that's an 18" wheel.

 

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On 9/12/2020 at 1:45 PM, c5flybyu said:

It was great meeting and talkin to you!  It's amazing how nice all the EUC riders are, excluding me...  I DID drop your wheel at 1mph!:roflmao:

What's the best way to say this? I feel the same way ... it's amazing how nice all the EUC riders are .... nobody excluded. I enjoyed my time riding and talking with you guys immensely. Learned a lot watching and listening to you guys.

And of course, the wheel is fine. And even if it wasn't fine (which it is), as they say:

  • Down under ...... No worries, Mate! :D
  • Locally .............. It's all good! :efefe00999:
  • Somewhere?..... Ain't no thang! ;)
On 9/12/2020 at 1:45 PM, c5flybyu said:

What an awesome nimble wheel.  Can't believe that's an 18" wheel.

Even though it is made by a different company, to me it feels like a bigger 16X. And the 16X rider in the group thought so too.

I'm looking forward to the next ride.

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Awesome post as always!

Knowing how to do a roll is better than not knowing how to do a roll. Or you can just eat hot cinnamon rolls and then fall like a pancake. Breakfast is served!

Grab yourself some Frank pads so that you stop falling off the front. The 30mm ones are great. They are there when you need them and they are not intrusive or detracting.
So if you fall off the front your shins will hit the front of the pads and save you from falling and at the same time apply torque to the wheel to get you out of harm. Unless you are speeding at 60kmh and hit a pothole then you will torque through it and face plant. But that doesn't seem your style.

The Mten3 is sketchy enough is just the right kind of sketchy. The V11 will make you feel like you are on a pedestal looking down at everyone else lol.

The MSP/MSX family take the hardest knocks above the headlight. They headbutt themselves and the shell splits there. A soft bumper helps.
But not falling off the front helps more. Prevention.

Bang it up and scar it up.. every scar gets a sticker on it. When it looks too much like crap you will be free to enjoy it.. or put a rollnz cover on it.

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20 hours ago, Mike Sacristan said:

Awesome post as always!

Thank you sir!

 

20 hours ago, Mike Sacristan said:

Grab yourself some Frank pads so that you stop falling off the front. The 30mm ones are great. They are there when you need them and they are not intrusive or detracting.
So if you fall off the front your shins will hit the front of the pads and save you from falling and at the same time apply torque to the wheel to get you out of harm. Unless you are speeding at 60kmh and hit a pothole then you will torque through it and face plant. But that doesn't seem your style.

Since I've become a little more adventurous on the MSP lately, I have a set of these on order for it and the Monster. Are these close to the type you speak of?? My local riding buddy is on a Monster and he says these transformed the wheel for him. Like you say, for the MSP they will help get me through an unexpected incident. And for the Monster ... they will just help make it go easier. As you well know, that big wheel takes a lot of pedal input and/or grabbing the factory pads with the legs. I'm hoping to be able to ride it further, since it shouldn't be so tiring with these. Power pads of any type will be a new experience for me.

Yes ... you are right. I will never need to worry about a pothole at 60 kmh. :D

 

20 hours ago, Mike Sacristan said:

The Mten3 is sketchy enough is just the right kind of sketchy. The V11 will make you feel like you are on a pedestal looking down at everyone else lol.

Sketchy - as in very quick to obey my every thought? :efefe00999: Or so quick it works ahead of my thoughts? :wacko: And for the V11, will I need a ladder to mount? :rolleyes:

 

20 hours ago, Mike Sacristan said:

The MSP/MSX family take the hardest knocks above the headlight. They headbutt themselves and the shell splits there. A soft bumper helps.
But not falling off the front helps more. Prevention.

Okay, roger that. Working on both.

 

20 hours ago, Mike Sacristan said:


Bang it up and scar it up.. every scar gets a sticker on it. When it looks too much like crap you will be free to enjoy it.. or put a rollnz cover on it.

I am almost free to enjoy it! And I almost went for the cover, then I saw the Chooch video and how you've padded yours up. I think will wait on the cover and see how some carefully placed padding helps, starting where the scars are.

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5 hours ago, Scottie said:

As I was in the middle of the roll (and such things seem to take a long time ... like being in a car crash) I heard my wheel banging around as it was crashing and I was more worried about it than myself.

I got some ukemis in my belt. I got story too when I needed it and I would say it prolly saved my life. I lost control of my mountain bike during going down a hill. You know things aint right when the handlebar is sideways and tires are slipping away.. and I remember it like being a slow motion movie. I was gonna fly over the bar, there was no way about it. The amount of inertia I had, well there was only one option for me - To jump over the bar of the bike and land my fall with ukemi. That move barely got me past a big rock.  And as I was lucky to hang into my life another biker drove past, not bothering to stop. He said nothin but he gave a look saying "idiot".  Maybe it was that smirk I had, being so happy after a disaster stuck. I continued to ride to medical centre, 20 clicks away. My shoulder was in bruises and the pain got to me later. I got lucky, I did not even break a bone.

Train that Ukemi, you never know when it might come handy. :thumbup:

 

1 hour ago, Mike Sacristan said:

Grab yourself some Frank pads so that you stop falling off the front.

 The one thing that keeps me on my wheel is pads to my ankles in my MSP. This also lets me use my knees more to control the wheel, time to time atleast and yes I keep one knee supporting the frame at all the time. There be so many times I had a pothole on the road but now the wheel now comes with me and I do not lose footing. I made my first with velcro and took foam from the package it arrived. Then just extra glue, velcro here and there and shaped it with knife. I placed it under the RollNZ cover that makes my wheel look good as new even I had crashes with it. That (RollNZ cover) delivers about week from order if they have it in stock. No regrets with that purchase, that cover is worth it. I also get very good grip from the cover.

I also have fair bit of knee bent and off-set stance. Something like you might see @evX_Mick have in his videos. That stance is amazing.. took some time to get the feel but now I feel like I can stop any wobble and it enhances my breaking potential. Combination of safer breaking ability? Priceless. So basicly my left foot is more front and right foot backward on the plate. I feel like surfing, snowboarding, skating with carving or iceskating, or even downhill skiing vibes. The turning is more sharper and gotta mind the posture more. The faster I go, the more the knees bend and lower the stance goes. And you turn your body to suspension.

5 hours ago, Scottie said:

Because the MSP encourages lots of 'Tom Foolery', last week I took a short-cut across..

I can't resist but share a story. Short-cut just like yours :D Riding my MSP, I would say it is confidence I was building.

Well I felt good doing trails and went to new environment to explore. It started well. There was huge hill to cross and the trail upwards was no problem to my MSP torque. Tip toe the hill and wiggle around, good stuff! Up top I feel confidence in my new found abilities. I pass a family on the trail, they cheer me as I pass and wonder what is the device. But now the trail gets more narrow and now theres a downhill ahead. The other side of the hill must be downward slope, that is how hills tend to be. :smartass: 

I can't let the crowd down now, can I? I should turn back but I think "I can dodge those rocks and when I am in motion I can figure the rest of the hill." (famous last words?)

So I hop on, down the hill we go. I dodge the rock just as I planned.

Well it turns out that hill was way longer than I anticipated and the rocks on that hill downward on the path just increasing covering the whole trail. During the downfall of the hill, there was no way to avoid rocks anymore. I just had to roll em over and try to maintain balance. It was wet and muddy and my heart was racing. I knew when trying to break speed I was not in full control. If I would have tried to stop the wheel - it was too steep for me to stop the wheel, I could have bailed but I decided to commit. 

But story here did not end in tears or pain. It ended in success. Half way down I was certain of doom and somehow I knew that I had to commit or fall. A safe planned fall could have been a safer way. I got more than I bargained for and felt like mortal again. Having gear like wrist-, elbot-, knee-protection, backpack and helmet I felt like I should survive. Prolly worst case bruises, muddy clothes and my ego beaten down.

My point being here was that I decided half way on that "impossible" hill to do my best instead of thinking the fall. 

I should have had camera with me cause I do not plan to take the short-cut again :laughbounce2:

 

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15 minutes ago, Tasku said:

But story here did not end in tears or pain. It ended in success.

:clap3::cheers:  As I was reading that, I was holding my breath. MSP's are doing amazing things around the world under the skillful feet of great riders. And good luck never hurt anything! After seeing the great videos and reading things like yours, I know I'm not worthy of it ... but I'm keeping it anyway!

 

21 minutes ago, Tasku said:

I can't let the crowd down now, can I? I should turn back but I think "I can dodge those rocks and when I am in motion I can figure the rest of the hill." (famous last words?)

There is something about people watching that causes us to over-ride common sense. :whistling::facepalm:  :D

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