The Fat Unicyclist Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 2 hours ago, Silverbrewer said: Newbie here! (Few hours)) I can mount unaided, but it is more of a lift second foot into place, stand still for a tenth of a second like a demented pillock, then lean forward to get some movement. Because of this duff method, the direction I end up going is somewhat arbitrary, but not bad.. in a quiet industrial estate I have been a total of a couple of miles with various wobbly turns, a road hump, up hills downhills and moments!!! I need to develop a mounting process that is more a case of with one foot in place, launch forward gently and at the same time lift and place the second foot in a nice flowing movement, with me and the all equipment heading off as one in the direction I actually need to go!! My question is, relative to the direction you wish to go, where do you "throw" the initial body lean, to get the whole shebang (wheel direction, body launch direction and bloody hell, I've done it, direction to coelesse into the gracefull launches I see you guys doing :o( Is it a case of chest facing 5 degrees to the right of intended direction, throw body 2 degrees left of intended direction, then guide wheel right of intent, then left, then stabilise in the direction of travel.... or none of the above!! Loving it so far. Rog. Hi @Silverbrewer. Two suggestions for you... 1. Always ensure your second foot is beside the pedal (in line with the axle), not behind it. This should ensure your centre of gravity doesn't shift and spin you around. 2. Practice "walking" - so standing as above, but rather than mounting, roll forward, then step with your second foot. Keep rolling and stepping... As you gain your balance, roll more and step less. Finally, with both of these put together, you will be "roll-starting" - pushing off (skateboard style), and putting your second foot in place while moving! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mono Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 (edited) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countersteering is how steering into turns works from the physics viewpoint. Edited October 29, 2016 by MoNo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagtenor Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 I'm with @The Fat Unicyclist, if I didn't see the videos, I'd swear these wheels were impossible to ride. Nonetheless, I keep trying. Basically moving back and forward in hallway. Can't wait until I can actually ride this thing. But enjoying the learning process thus far. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagtenor Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 I mean @Silverbrewer. Couldn't correct it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Jin Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 thanks for sharing, John, now I know better how to ride a unicycle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flvraptor Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 On 10/28/2016 at 9:31 PM, The Fat Unicyclist said: Hi @Silverbrewer. Two suggestions for you... 1. Always ensure your second foot is beside the pedal (in line with the axle), not behind it. This should ensure your centre of gravity doesn't shift and spin you around. 2. Practice "walking" - so standing as above, but rather than mounting, roll forward, then step with your second foot. Keep rolling and stepping... As you gain your balance, roll more and step less. Finally, with both of these put together, you will be "roll-starting" - pushing off (skateboard style), and putting your second foot in place while moving! Great advice! I watched a bunch of videos before getting on an euc. I also put padding under the pedals, where calves will rub against the sides and the top edges. Oh, and I got a luggage strap - another awesome tip from this board. Basically went from regretting my purchase decision to can't wait to get back on in about 3 hours over 3 days. First day, I spent 15 minutes just standing on the thing beside a desk and getting a feel for the balance point. Then I spent another 15 minutes trying to roll forward and back while beside a wall. Finally, 30 minutes of getting my ankle chewed up by the pedals as I continuously tried to mount, fail, get the beast swinging on the strap and scraping my ankles with the pedals. Ended the day thinking about what to put in the ad to sell the ankle monster. Second day, it was back to the drawing board. I setup my sawhorses in a series and used that to get upright and as a launching point. I also got an email from Jason with some tips including grip tape on the pedals. That trick definitely helped keep my foot planted. Before the grip tape, my foot would slide on the metal pedals as soon as I use my calf to leverage against the side of the euc. Anyway, back to the sawhorses. As soon as I leave the last sawhorse, I would get anywhere from zero to 5-6 feet. More ankle bashing, some toe slamming, some ankle twisting - nothing serious. No face plants. After an hour, I was tired, my lower back needed some Advil, my calf has a bruise and my ankles were bleeding through my socks. I retreated back to my garage with my tail between my legs. Third day (today). I watched more videos, read up on more tips - especially @Silverbrewer's advice. I bandaged up my ankle and went out early morning to give it another go. With the saw horses to the opposite side from where I was pushing off on, I practiced my skateboard-like launches. When i started doing the scoot and push, I also started to zero in on where my first leg was most stable. If it's not in the right place, I wouldn't be able to push off on a straight line. When it was, I had a good takeoff. Then it all clicked together and I was 100+ feet from where I started! Pretty soon, the wobbles, which had to have been from a defective euc , went away and I was actually enjoying it. I rode up & down my cul-de-sac a few times and even ventured around the block a couple of times. I decided to call it a win when I made a complete round without falling off. My next adventure - LEFT TURNS! Anyway, thank you to everyone for the advice and tips. This forum rocks! For those, still struggling, keep reading and keep trying different techniques. Something someone has said will be the one thing that will give you the "Aha!" moment. It's probably different for everyone, but it's all here, just waiting for you to try it. One last note, thank you @Jason McNeil for shipping my kids' IPS a130s first. I was able to practice and trash theirs while getting to this stage. Now, I think I'm ready for my v5F+, which is getting here on Wednesday. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post flvraptor Posted February 23, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 23, 2017 Starting to get a little more comfortable on the V5F+. The angle of the pedals is really hard to get used to, but I am more stable. The hardest part is getting my second foot in the right place, but I'm sure it'll get better over time. In the meantime, both my kids have gotten over the initial hump and are happily zooming around the neighborhood. They had a really hard time getting started. They did the balance by a wall trick, then I walked beside them for a while, but they almost immediately lost balance as soon as i let go. Most of the time, the remaining pressure on my hand is so light before I let go, but it's like they've come to depend on it like a crutch. Also, I think that having one side keep your balance may be handicapping them. I read a couple of tips about pushing a shopping cart and that kinda made sense to me. They'll be on their own and the balance aid is in front of them instead of on one side. I thought it would be easier to compensate front & back since the EUC already helps them do that. However, I couldn't just go out and steal a shopping cart and I couldn't let them practice in the parking lot of our local store. Luckily, we live in Florida and there are no shortage of walkers in garage sales and on craigslist. Purchased a used one with wheels for $20 so the kids could practice on it. After about an hour each, they got the hang of it and never looked back. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoother Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 On 11 February 2017 at 4:55 PM, flvraptor said: Ended the day thinking about what to put in the ad to sell the ankle monster. "Ankle monster" Priceless! ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LanghamP Posted February 24, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2017 I got my VF5+ from ewheels yesterday, and was pretty confident I'd be able to hop and go. Instead, this seems impossibly, incredibly difficult. You don't realize just how difficult it is until you're standing next to it. It is, improbably, just a wheel with pedals, the ultimate simplistic form of a vehicle, yet it cannot work with a very sophisticated set of sensors and computers working for you. I'm in awe of this wheel and the technology. Apparently the only way I know of dismounting the vehicle is running off it (all learning on grass). Hopefully that habit can be broken. I don't know if unicycles can become mainstream. Not one person in my office wants to have a go on it. Their reaction is more akin to incredulous horror. After about twenty minutes of practice, I got out my dress boots; the extra heel height and the rigid ankle high leather allows me to place the weight more on the toes while keeping the entire lower leg locked. Also the heavy leather protects my ankles from the pedals during falls. The boots helped a lot--just like shifting into a higher gear. It's remarkable how the human mind works; something so difficult becomes, after a while, not so bad as the human mind adjusts. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planetpapi Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 59 minutes ago, LanghamP said: It's remarkable how the human mind works; something so difficult becomes, after a while, not so bad as the human mind adjusts. I used training wheels in the beginning with a strap, then got rid off the strap, then got rid off the training wheels. I practiced in a tennis court, hanging to the fence wall for balance with all the safety gear. That is helmet, wrist guards, shin pads, knee pads. When putting your foot on the pedal, think of putting your foot on a foam cup without crushing it. Someone here said this, not me, but that was a good analogy. At some point in the beginning you want to give up because it is too hard to balance no matter how much you put effort in it. but DON'T. If we all can do it, you can do it. It's like learning to ride the bicycle all over again. It's hard at first then it's a second nature. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpong Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Dispair in the early days was normal for me. Two years into this thing of ours, I barely give it any thought at all while riding effortlessly. That came much sooner than 2 years, but riding with some confidence did take me close to 2 months. I was a slow learner. PS. It is worth the effort. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LanghamP Posted February 24, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2017 Thanks for the encouragement. I flail wildly and ride with a geeky jerky manner, like I'm swatting away insects. The effortless smoothness I see people on video is deceptive; there's a lot going on. I can get over the grass, and along sidewalks and down curbs now. Just do whatever it takes to keep the wheel under you, and somehow it all magically sorts itself out. I did have a very scary moment. I tried to step off in a graceful manner but as my foot touched the ground the right foot accelerated the wheel, and it then twisted around my foot at high speed, but upright, and tried to crawl up my chest all the while screaming, "danger danger!" As if I couldn't figure that out and now I have tire marks all along my jeans. I was lax, and wow, what a dangerous, sudden, and surreal moment. 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starry night Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 (edited) On 20/01/2016 at 3:10 PM, gmusser said: I'm exactly the same, the learning curve is huge and I'm still limping along. Humiliatingly enough I was at a park yesterday and all the cool skater dudes cheered when I stayed on the thing for 3 yards before falling off and hopping, skipping and lurching after it as it spun out of control - beeping like crazy. As another poster said it is one hell of a work out esp. if your aren't fit. I had to find a bench to sit on, had plenty of water (maybe Something stronger would have helped). Then I would kick the instrument of torture to the side and try and gather strength for another effort. The position of your leg as it rests against the side of the wheel I found really important, too far back and the wheel goes outwards and too far forward and it spins inwards. Also these things are really really heavy, so when you are trying to control it with one leg, and it's motorised, it runs away and there are lots of small movements that you have to do in quick succession in order to retreive the wheel and avoid lacerating your ankles on the pedals. One of the many mistakes I made was to stand on one pedal and then the thing would tip over and spin out. Didnt realise that the foot on the ground was to take all my weight. Its a constant process of bending over and picking up the really really heavy thing. Getting on the wheel lightly and smoothly is a trick in itself. That clip of the "triangle" approach is great and the smoother you can manage getting the second foot on the better as you don't have to compensate so much for the wobbles. At first I kind of jumped on and that was awful; it bounced and shot out from under me in surprising directions. Then I tried holding it steady by clamping my hands on the handle, one foot on a pedal and trying to inch the other foot on - that didn't work. Then I tried to grab the thing following unintended dismounts - big mistake. Everything spills into one awkward movement; twist, fall off, jam ankle bone onto side of pedal, bend, lurch for handle, hop for balance, skin the other ankle on spinning tyre, heft it upright, mangle fingers in a grab for the handle (jabbing at the off switch for the screaming beeps). Rinse and repeat. Now I just try and get out of its way when I come off, wait until it's spun out and then go pick it up. Taking a bit of time off to let the lacerations, scrapes and bruises on my ankles to get better. Yes I was wearing socks and padding but my natural athleticism ?, took a toll. I have ordered some ankle protectors, the wrist guards that I have hurt my hands if I'm trying to use a wall for support. Grass is good, gravel not so good. Been doing it for just over a week, so very slow progress here. ? Good luck Edited February 26, 2017 by Starry night 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starry night Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 On 17/03/2016 at 6:46 PM, mich said: You are correct sir, triangle method is important for all the reasons you stated. Only the tutorial videos for beginners explaining triangle method are useless and very much unhelpful. They make it seem like the difficult part is how to put your feet on pedals. In reality that's easy, difficult part comes after, that is how to keep the balance and not to fall immediately. I've received my EUC last week, and I've the same experience as tjcooper above. After about an hour of practice on parking place, it was impossible for me to hop on EUC without support. I guess getting on the wheel was a priority for me to learn because I knew I would be coming off it so often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Smoother Posted February 26, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 26, 2017 (edited) There're so many recent posts here it's too time consuming to answer individual points, so I'll type generally. use a loosely held strap; prevents: run aways, bad crashes, scratches, attacked ankles ( you can lift wheel off ground killing its energy source) bad back from constantly bending down to grab the wheel, etc. always wear full protection, especially wrist guards and a helmet. Never mind the dork factor. Any injuries you sustain now will be with you long after your perception of people laughing at you. Besides, they are strangers so who give a flip about what they think of you? I'm still nursing a wrist injury from October (with wrist guards) so imagine if I wasn't wearing them! Try to practice in a secluded place. On lookers are not good for your practice karma. don't try to master stepping on, one foot at a time, until you can ride for hundreds of yards at a time, with ease. Use a mounting aid, like a wall, a fence,or lamp post; anything you can lean on to get on calmly, placing your feet properly. Plan your training and rides around these mounting aids. Stepping on, unaided comes much later. You guys are trying to sprint before you can crawl. if you need high heeled boots to move forward, or you can't maintain forward movement, try standing up straight. Or possibly your feet are too far back, move them forward, simple as that. No one else needs heels to wheel properly. don't start on grass, or even ride on grass, mud gravel, or dirt; the smoother the training surface the better. Grass is still hard to start on for me and I ride on every surface, including quick sand( but not very long ?) grass also hides small holes and dips that will throw you off, I know, I've seen me do it. No, there isn't a lot going on in our heads, once it clicks. We "clickers" talk, text, listen to music, make/take phone calls, sight see, take videos., weave, slalom, dance, eat, drink, mountain climb, do tricks ( not me). None of that would be possible if our minds were preoccupied with wheeling. It just happens, and you absolutely stop thinking about it, trust me/ us. You've just got to put in the hours, but put them in, in the right order. I had over 200km before I even tried to get on Unassisted, and about 100km more before I got it down, and I'm still not good at it at 900km, a bit hit and miss. Once you can ride, the other parts are easier because, if they succeed... You can ride away, and not just fall off. It's much less exhausting that way, and you can start to enjoy this aspect of the experience, even though you can't get on unassisted, or turn, or , or, or... All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. What's the point of mastering getting on if you can't ride more than 3 feet? Get riding down first, then add the launching unassisted and stopping gracefully ( anyone can stop without grace), and turning, wow, that was a challenging week. Dont believe there is only one right way to do any of it. One solo wheel training video says the way to turn is to twist the wheel left and right. Nonsense, that is only one way to turn. There are several, and they will all come to you as you discover them, while riding for hundreds of yards at a time, over hundreds of km. the distance mounts up fast, believe me. This is the time when you can try little things, or more accurately little things try you. Those many "oh shit" moments, while trying to stay on in a straight line, eventually add up to one giant " I get it now" moment, that is called the rest of your wheeling life. There was a time when if I looked left or right, I fell off. Now, my head's on a constant swivel enjoying the view, watching my path, planning my route, etc, even almost all the way to my rear as @Mono suggested was possible, or riding with my eyes closed, or looking straight up at the sky, also @mono suggestions ( I think he's trying to kill me). Any experienced rider here can do the same, and most of us felt frustrated and defeated, like you do now, at some stage. Some picked it up fast and some not so fast, but everyone who stuck with it gets to enjoy low level gliding, when ever they want. it will come, trust us. One day you will wonder what all the fuss was about. personally, I really enjoy making it look completely effortless as I wheel past gawking crowds, down by the beach. I clasp my hands in the small of my back, check my phone, admire the scenery, ride impossibly slowly, change direction without seeming to move anything, zoom off at will, stop and admire the view, continue on my way like it's completely normal. Its a lot of fun. Some of them must think it's some kind of magic. Which it is, in a way, a magical mystery tour, is coming to take you away. What are you waiting for? oh, and never show off ( as in hard acceleration, hard stopping, etc) it always ends in a humiliating and often painful face plant. Just riding one of these things with ease and grace, is all the showing off the "walking dead" need see to be impressed. Edited May 28, 2019 by Smoother 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starry night Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 I like the idea of "riding impossibly slowly" - my aim! Thanks for the tips. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve454 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 On 2/26/2017 at 4:23 AM, Smoother said: Try to practice in a secluded place. On lookers are not good for your practice karma. Good point, but riding on grass (like in a park) is also helpful, because you're not as scared of injury if you fall. Concrete or asphalt hurts way more. But you are right, with a decent quality wheel that won't cut off, pavement is easier to ride on. I wish I had gotten a good wheel to start with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve454 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 24 minutes ago, Starry night said: I like the idea of "riding impossibly slowly" - my aim! Me too. and then riding backwards. I can ride almost impossibly slowly, not quite there yet. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxLinux Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 On 2/26/2017 at 5:23 AM, Smoother said: What's the point of mastering getting on if you can't ride more than 3 feet? Get riding down first, then add the launching unassisted Getting on without support was one of the last things I learned. I tried and tried, and it seemed impossible. The only reason I continued trying was that I could see on YouTube it is possible! Meanwhile, while failing in my attempts to mount the wheel unsupported, I continued to work on riding. Then one day, suddenly I was able to get on! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mono Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 11 minutes ago, steve454 said: Good point, but riding on grass (like in a park) is also helpful, because you're not as scared of injury if you fall. Concrete or asphalt hurts way more. But you are right, with a decent quality wheel that won't cut off, pavement is easier to ride on. I wish I had gotten a good wheel to start with. I prefer unpaved level grounds without gravel for practicing. They are more forgiving when going down and they are always a little heterogeneous which is good to remain flexible to the unpredictable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mono Posted February 28, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 28, 2017 (edited) 23 minutes ago, steve454 said: Me too. and then riding backwards. I can ride almost impossibly slowly, not quite there yet. If you want to learn riding backwards without practicing, here is how I did it: each time when I had to brake to a full stop, I tried to go an inch or two backwards before to step down, increasing the distance after a while when more and more confident... I believe it took about a month or so to get to a confident yard or two with no sweat involved. Edited February 28, 2017 by Mono 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve454 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 1 minute ago, Mono said: here is how I did it: each time when I had to brake to a full stop, I tried to go a little bit backwards before to step down, starting from only an inch or two... Excellent idea, I will try that. Continue the braking movement a little past full stop. I have tried something similar, but tried to force it too much. Starting from only an inch or two makes a lot of sense, thanks for the tip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoother Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 6 hours ago, Mono said: If you want to learn riding backwards without practicing, here is how I did it: each time when I had to brake to a full stop, I tried to go an inch or two backwards before to step down, increasing the distance after a while when more and more confident... I believe it took about a month or so to get to a confident yard or two with no sweat involved. Yet another @Mono suggestion im going to have to try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starry night Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 I am learning to ride this by myself, and there are few if any supports around, so how else do you get back on once you have fallen off, unless you practise getting on before you try for longer rides? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoother Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, Starry night said: I am learning to ride this by myself, and there are few if any supports around, so how else do you get back on once you have fallen off, unless you practise getting on before you try for longer rides? ? I watch Neighbours. I know damn well you have lamp posts and street signs, and garden walls, and fences, in Melbourne, I've seen them ? But seriously, there is nothing higher than 2 feet in THE WHOLE area around where you live? when I got my wheel, I was renting a cabin in the country in France. Initially I practiced on a 6 foot strip beside a sideboard. Outside there was, as you say, nothing nearby that was suitable, so I drove across town to a basket ball court I had seen before, that had a 3foot fence all around it. Next day, when that proved to be too crowded with kids, I found the driveway of an unused stadium, that had loads of railings to hang onto. The next day I left for Spain. In this second, "completely new to me" environment, I found a large roped off car park, with THREE pay meters. And a few poles. Those payment meters and poles became my best friends for about a week. I must have looked like a dork rolling that thing back to the meters time and time again, but over time i needed them less and less. After that I promoted myself to the promenade across the street; poles, publics bins, benches, palm trees. Everything was an EUC assistance device. Only after about a month and 400km approx did I even think of trying one foot unassisted starts. And all this was "alone", as you put it. unless you live in Death Valley, you can find something to lean against. Nobody had to coax me; I knew I needed them if my ankle monster was to be kept in check, long enough for me to become its master. but my advice is worth what you paid for it. Do what suits you best; you know your environment best. Edited March 2, 2017 by Smoother Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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