That one ban

[Nic]

@MonoI hope you do stick around as you are a valued member and you are not alone in sharing concerns. If I understand correctly Aneta was banned because she/he was frequently posting replies or content that could be viewed as argumentative in nature. Its a fine line between arguing and debating and if the bulk of a member's posts follow this pattern, then they could be viewed as disruptive. The mods need maintain a friendly forum, so ultimately its up to them how they decide to handle the situation.

[Rehab1]

41 minutes ago, Nic said:

MonoI hope you do stick around as you are a valued member

I second that motion. 

[Marty Backe]

6 hours ago, Mono said:

Because I do. I do care if people are bullied. I prefer not to be part of a group that bullies outsiders due to a badly chosen profile picture, even when I got assured that I (and everybody else but that very person) will never become a victim.

Funny that you mention it though 

If "trust us" and "forget about it" is the final "professional" answer (to the question I asked above in bold), I have lost interest in contributing to this forum any longer. Cheers either way!

I always love these melodramatic departures. This Forum and everything else will continue on its merry way whether you, I, or anyone else departs.

[Planemo]

11 hours ago, travsformation said:

Mono, there is MUCH you don't know about what happened, things are not necessarily how they might seem to you. Believe me, if they were it wouldn't have been tolerated.

When a moderator asks you to trust him, what he's trying to say is "You don't have enough puzzle pieces to know what the whole picture actually looks like. We do, and believe us, if you did too, you'd understand why we made the decision we made".

There's also a reason why further discussion on the subject isn't being encouraged and no additional details are being provided. These decisions aren't arbitrary and have been carefully meditated. Once again, you'd need to see the entire picture to understand, all I can say is that they've been made with the benefit of the community at large in mind.

Absolutely this.

I see myself in no position to demand answers/reasons as to why a mod has banned someone. Theres a lot to it that may be sensitive, and a lot that would cause further damage should it be posted in public. Nor should mods have to answer to me anyway.

I can understand why a member may casually ask why someone has been banned (although I wouldn't personally, as mods don't ban people for no reason) but as soon as a mod says 'it's not up for discussion' then it's game over and move on. It's a shame that 'moving on' to some may mean leaving the forum.

[Mono]

21 hours ago, winterwheel said:

Banning someone from a forum isn't bullying.

Agreed, the bullying I was referring to took place before the ban. Removing the one who was bullied was the solution (just not the type of solution I am generally interested in), AFAICS. But now thinking about it, in this scenario also the ban should be considered somewhat as part of the bullying.

19 hours ago, meepmeepmayer said:

If you can't live with it, you'd be the latest (and last) victim of that person doing damage to this forum.

"If the victim would not have been there, no harm would have been done. Then, whos fault is it?" Nice try.

Aneta is not the reason for my lost interest whereas, in part, your reaction is. You could possibly change the outcome by some relatively simple measure you chose not to take, namely point to a few of the "disruptive" posts Aneta got warned for (I assume there must have been warnings, I don't know for a fact) and ultimately banned. Do however you like, I don't feel to be a victim from any of this, certainly not of "that person doing damage to this forum", AKA the unspeakable Aneta.

19 hours ago, Nic said:

I hope you do stick around

If I'd just get to see a few examples of posts that lead to the ban 

16 hours ago, Marty Backe said:

I always love these melodramatic departures.

You are welcome  

I just lost interest in contributing, like some of you lost interest in talking about bans. There's nothing melodramatic on my side, just letting you know before to disappear...after, oups, almost five years with averaging 2-3 posts per day, most of course rumbling nonsense like this one , so...

17 hours ago, Marty Backe said:

This Forum and everything else will continue on its merry way whether you, I, or anyone else departs.

I thought and think so too (no bad conscious), though if I'd be observing a repeated pattern of melodramatic departures I'd start wondering. "Everything will be alright no matter what" isn't a real thing. Good luck.

 

[Seba]

22 minutes ago, Mono said:

I just lost interest in contributing, like some of you lost interest in talking about bans.

Ask yourself a simple question - are you contributing to the mods, or to entire forum community? As @Nic wrote, you're valued member. Do you think that your "departure" will make anything good? Life isn't ideal, just like this forum. We all make mistakes, we're all imperfect.

[ZenRyder]

1 hour ago, Mono said:

If I'd just get to see a few examples of posts that lead to the ban 

No, let's not give in to this kind of distraction. This kind of discussion is what causes people to lose interest in our primary mission. Focusing on this drama is losing sight of the only thing that makes this forum worthwhile. This forum should stay on message regarding Electric Unicycles. Anything that moves our users away from that is diminishing the value we have.

1 hour ago, Mono said:

I just lost interest in contributing, like some of you lost interest in talking about bans. There's nothing melodramatic on my side, just letting you know before to disappear...after, oups, almost five years with averaging 2-3 posts per day, most of course rumbling nonsense like this one , so...

Five years? Seriously, respect. Like it's been said before, no one wants a good contributing member to leave. Everyone appreciates your efforts and participation. However, if it only comes along with the inability to effectively moderate the forum for the benefit of everyone else, then good luck and good bye. At some point you should understand that mods are going to ban users who violate the rules. If you feel you have the right to judge their efforts or discuss at length the details and reasons why, then you are sadly mistaken. 

If you can't recognize this forum for the unique value that it has and instead are willing to forfeit that because you feel someone was "unfairly" removed, then you are missing the whole point. So, ride your wheel and enjoy life. If you ever have need of the knowledge and camaraderie that I see in this venue, then come on back. We'll welcome you. 

[winterwheel]

The dirty details around banning people is quite happily left to moderators, that's why they are there.

There are un-moderated boards out there for people who prefer to go that way.

Posters here are lucky that moderators are as forgiving as they are; I've never seen a forum where there is a much debate around handling problem posters as this one.

[meepmeepmayer]

@ZenRyder Spot on! Thank you.

2 hours ago, Mono said:

You could possibly change the outcome by some relatively simple measure you chose not to take, namely point to a few of the "disruptive" posts Aneta got warned for (I assume there must have been warnings, I don't know for a fact) and ultimately banned.

If that is all you want (it is all I can say): assuming that person was banned because of some bad posts (your assumption, I'm not saying whether it is true or not), refer to any of the "hoverwheel" nonsense posted in so many places

18 minutes ago, winterwheel said:

Posters here are lucky that moderators are as forgiving as they are

We don't even need to be forgiving. Posters are pretty much perfect here Occasionally we tell someone not to post the exact same thing three times, that's about it how bad it gets.

[EvoKnvl]

2 hours ago, Mono said:

I just lost interest in contributing, like some of you lost interest in talking about bans. There's nothing melodramatic on my side, just letting you know before to disappear...after, oups, almost five years with averaging 2-3 posts per day, most of course rumbling nonsense like this one , so...

I thought and think so too (no bad conscious), though if I'd be observing a repeated pattern of melodramatic departures I'd start wondering. "Everything will be alright no matter what" isn't a real thing. Good luck.

 

With all due respect, if you just lost interest in contributing, then not saying anything and just leaving would have been a non-melodramatic way to leave versus making a point to announce you were leaving.

And where is this pattern of melodramatic departures you're seeing, if your departure is not melodramatic?

I'm still new here, and I'm always learning new things.  Thanks to everyone here willing to spend the time to teach, as well as learn.  Hopefully, I'll still be around for 5 years and beyond.

[Unventor]

Well here goes a short version... 

I am very sad to see this keeps coming up. We have a very kind person facilitating this forum (thank you John) , and has entrusted a handful of people to help to have this fantastic commu ity we all are part of. Sometimes debates do get out of hand and the "anonymous" internet tend to bring out some that test the bounderies for a healthy debate. This can be one post written in the heat of aome t or a set many "small" things like bricks in a Chinese wall, that in the bigger picture becomes enough is enough. Each of these bricks are often hidden to avoiding more people are lured or goated or tricked into a trap of events none of us benafit from. 

I do think @travsformation comment should have been enough. Let's just say a ban or warning is never done in a heat of a moment, and to knowledge not done by one moderators decision only, since I joined the team of moderators. 

Please don't loose focus on our shared passion/interest/lifestyle/tool/toy whatever your EUC(s) serves you. There are so many other places if you seek drama. 

So this is not targeted to one member but a general post for people to let's get back normal debates and info sharing and a bit if fun and games as long it's in good spirit all are happy. We have a multi country and culture forum and that give opertunities to see thing from many perspectives.

I joined as moderator because I was invited to this. I like to help out and like other moderators we cherries this community. And that is the commitment we moderators give every time we log on. 

Please time to move on. Now that said, I am pretty stoked to see what Inmotion got cooking. The smell from the kitchen is very promising from what Liam from Inmotion shared the past few days. No final specs but he got me very interested. 

Since I were busy with work, I get back tomorrow, to follow up in Inmotion announcements thread (I have not checked it yet today). I will update the info given if it is missing. 

Edited February 5, 2020 by Unventor

[winterwheel]

Just now, Unventor said:

Please time to move on. Now that said, I am pretty stoked to see what Inmotion got cooking. The smell from the kitchen is very promising from what Liam from Inmotion shared the past few days. No final specs but he got me very interested. 

Since I were busy with work, I get back tomorrow, to follow up in Inmotion announcements thread (I have not checked it yet today). I will update the info given if it is missing. 

My two starter wheels having been Inmotion wheels, I for one would love to see them take wheels as seriously as Gotway and KS do.

[Nic]

@Mono you should consider taking a few days off to let yourself consider all the points and that you might just be stressed a little. Aneta could always rejoin the forum under a different alias (if she wanted to) and then she would be careful not to repeat her errors by ignoring warnings. So, in the end no one has been hurt and order has been maintained. It really isn't such a big deal once you see it like this. There has been no real harm done to anyone, just some inconvenience.  

Edited February 5, 2020 by Nic

[Unventor]

43 minutes ago, winterwheel said:

My two starter wheels having been Inmotion wheels, I for one would love to see them take wheels as seriously as Gotway and KS do.

 

 

[xorbe]

As ex-mod of a busy vehicle-related forum, after a while you just ban trouble as soon as it arrives.  They can make a new account and try again.  And holy s**t, the sheer amount of spammer accounts.  Forum modding takes TIME!!!

Edited March 4, 2020 by xorbe