That one ban

[Daley1]

Not to open old wounds but was@Aneta ,ChrisJunlees alias and because of his controversial/argumentative postings the reason he/she was banned?Maybe a Mod could post to the forum, reasons for his/her ban  and explain the expected behaviours on users of this forum.

[meepmeepmayer]

You guys have nothing to worry about.

This forum is for discussing electric unicycles. That is its purpose. We want it to be a place that is welcoming and inviting to prospective and fresh new members, and enjoyable for existing members. More happy members posting = better for everyone. And if anything is counter to that, the mods have to do something.

Aneta was banned because the account was too disruptive to a healthy forum culture here. Every time people stopped talking about EUCs and started arguing with "her" attention-bait. We do not want someone to google "electric unicycle", find this forum, and then be put off from participating by (perceived) bickering and negativity and infighting instead of a healthy discussion. We do not want existing members be put off from participating here. (Alias or not hardly matters because an alias could very well still be a great poster and beneficial to a good forum culture, so who cares.)

11 hours ago, Daley1 said:

explain the expected behaviours on users of this forum

Post what you want to post. Don't hold back. Do not self-censor. Don't even think about it. Enjoy, discuss, argue, fight (no personal insults of course), do whatever you want. As long as you do it because you care and want to talk about electric unicycles, hard to imagine how it could be a problem

We merely can't allow people to abuse this forum for purposes that are counter to discussing electric unicycles in good faith and in an enjoyable manner.

All the rules and mod actions are just for the bad actors. Don't worry about them. Aneta was a singular special case where a ban right away was the least worst option. Everyone else would just get a short, consequence-free warning.

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Please do not engage (or even publicly mention) the Aneta person inside or outside this forum. Let this be over.

In general, if you feel there might be a problem with any person or post, please use the report function to alert the staff. This is extremely helpful to the staff, it alerts us to potential problems and gives support if a mod has already noted that problem.

[Mono]

14 hours ago, Daley1 said:

Maybe a Mod could post to the forum, reasons for his/her ban

 

2 hours ago, meepmeepmayer said:

Aneta was banned because the account was too disruptive to a healthy forum culture here.

WOW, that sounds like a politician talking.

 

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Every time people stopped talking about EUCs and started arguing with "her" attention-bait.

Every time, really! Then why not ban the people who do the disruptive talking all the time? It seems to be on them.

Edited January 20, 2020 by Mono

[EUC Custom Power-Pads]

Why can't it just be over?

Everything was so great here until Chrisjunlee/Aneta took over every thread or finally derailed it.

What kind of problem do you guys have now that he is gone? 

It was always just about the fact that everything is about Chrisjunlee or Aneta, no matter if good or bad, as long as he was the center of attention. 

I can change my profile picture if that is what you are missing now? 

[meepmeepmayer]

The point of the explanation above is: if you are a "normal" member of this forum, you will never have to worry about doing something "wrong". Just be nice and post and enjoy and spend your thoughts on electric unicycles.

Which is exactly the point of this forum. Which was disrupted by Aneta. Not at all limited to when people called him out on it, more like nearly every post. Disruptive (from a dictionary): "causing trouble and therefore stopping something from continuing as usual". Which is as good a description of the problem as I can give.

Anyways, please let's not further talk about this. This is like the second ban ever which wasn't just the usual fake passport/fake money/fake medicine/... spammer. It means nothing much in the end.

[travsformation]

1 hour ago, buell47 said:

What kind of problem do you guys have now that he is gone? 

Shortage of dramas/soap operas on Netflix?

1 hour ago, buell47 said:

I can change my profile picture if that is what you are missing now? 

Can it be a brunette for a change? And how about a beach instead of a haystack?

[Esper]

I haven't been on this forum for a very long time, but should we not as humans give the benefit of the doubt that Aneta is not Chrisjunlee? I never liked the dude to begin with and he lives in my area. The local riders even think of him quite harshly. But it wasn't until recently that a couple users began connecting the two accounts.

Look, I am not one to cause trouble, but a flat ban due to one thread, off-topic as it may be, should not be the first response. It should be locking the thread, after telling people that it's gone off topic, to think about the things they posted, and reconsider their action in the future.

If;

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Every time people stopped talking about EUCs and started arguing with "her" attention-bait.

Then many many others should be banned as well.

As for my suggestion going forward. I do not think a permanent ban for an account and future accounts should ever be a first response to any account, regardless of the owner behind the monitor. I think that it should start as a 3 day ban, move to a 7 day ban upon second infraction, and then a month long ban.

This community is and always will be a valuable resource for everyone in this hobby. It shouldn't prohibit a user simply because they don't get along with others. Just stop the topic from being derailed, and remind everyone the rules.

It takes 2 people to cause an argument, and if only one account was banned do it "toxicity" then the other account that engaged in the argument hold just as much responsibility and should be equally punished.

[meepmeepmayer]

21 minutes ago, Esper said:

I haven't been on this forum for a very long time, but should we not as humans give the benefit of the doubt that Aneta is not Chrisjunlee? I never liked the dude to begin with and he lives in my area. The local riders even think of him quite harshly.

The ban was not related to that. Even though there is no doubt that this crazy person is Chris.

22 minutes ago, Esper said:

but a flat ban due to one thread, off-topic as it may be, should not be the first response

The ban was not because of one topic. That was just when we decided it was too much.

22 minutes ago, Esper said:

I do not think a permanent ban for an account and future accounts

We only banned the one account, nothing more. Even the old chrisjunlee account is still there, we only gave him a few weeks timeout back then.

31 minutes ago, Esper said:

Then many many others should be banned as well.

As for my suggestion going forward. I do not think a permanent ban for an account and future accounts should ever be a first response to any account, regardless of the owner behind the monitor. I think that it should start as a 3 day ban, move to a 7 day ban upon second infraction, and then a month long ban.

This community is and always will be a valuable resource for everyone in this hobby. It shouldn't prohibit a user simply because they don't get along with others. Just stop the topic from being derailed, and remind everyone the rules.

All this is based on the assumption that this is just a normal unruly forum user that needs to be told to behave. In that case, you would be right.

But this is not the case here. This is why we went with a ban right away. Aneta is currently doxxing (or attempting to) mods and other users from here on the electric unicycle subreddit. Completely sane reaction, right?

And this ban is still just all based on public information related to the Aneta account. There is more info that we mods have, and of course we know that it is chrisjunlee. If we ever needed proof of that (it was clear about 3 Aneta posts in), the eeriely similar remorseless reaction back than and now by Aneta makes that clear.

46 minutes ago, Esper said:

It takes 2 people to cause an argument, and if only one account was banned do it "toxicity" then the other account that engaged in the argument hold just as much responsibility and should be equally punished.

No.

We can babysit one problem guy and then deal with everyone who got baited into a reaction by the problem guy starting it, forever. Or we can remove the one problem guy. Why should an entire community be held hostage by a single person?

And again, not a normal user that we can reason with. This is not the case here.

[meepmeepmayer]

Again: this is a singular special case. This does not concern anybody else. Do not read anything from this. Post, discuss, argue, enjoy!

[Rehab1]

All of moderators had a say in this. This was by no means a knee jerk reaction. A month of profound deliberations took place coupled with weighing the comments from other concerned members. 

[Mono]

32 minutes ago, meepmeepmayer said:

The ban was not because of one topic. That was just when we decided it was too much.

 

14 minutes ago, Rehab1 said:

All of moderators had a say in this. This was by no means a knee jerk reaction. A month of profound deliberations took place coupled with weighing the comments from other concerned members. 

I cannot remember any off topic post of Aneta. I just checked the last nine posts on different topics, nothing off topic. I can clearly remember a post which points out how remarkable it is that she never even responded to the mocking and ridiculing of her profile picture by others. Would you mind to point to a couple of posts which highlight the reason for the ban? That should be easy after months of deliberations.

I certainly found her (on topic) arguments on the "How many of us are there" complete unconvincing and non-sense, but that can hardly be a reason for a ban.

Edited January 22, 2020 by Mono

[meepmeepmayer]

@Mono Why do you care? We mods finally decided to remove one single problem member. I don't want to be rude, but am not going to repeat all the mod discussions we had to have about Aneta (a lot), even if you are curious (I fully understand and I don't blame you). Enough time has been wasted on this instead of spending it with electric unicycles. I have to ask you to trust us. We are not stupid or unprofessional.

This means nothing to you or anyone else in broader terms (in the sense that you could read anything out of it). Best to forget about it.

Not sure what else to say

[Esper]

It's gotta end eventually, why not here and now?

Edited January 27, 2020 by Esper

[Daley1]

I,m happy with the explanations of our mods and realize this is something a group of experienced people agreed to, as opposed to an individual with an axe to grind making autonomous decisions.I entirely endorse said actions to get the forum back on track as a forum about EUC,s and not people.

[RockyTop]

Back to this 7 day ban. Can I be banned for a week? ..... I have yard work I need to do. ..... 

[atdlzpae]

1 hour ago, RockyTop said:

Back to this 7 day ban. Can I be banned for a week? ..... I have yard work I need to do. ..... 

No. But you can send me your password and I promise to give it back in a week and not to do anything too obscene with your account.

[RockyTop]

1 hour ago, atdlzpae said:

No. But you can send me your password and I promise to give it back in a week and not to do anything too obscene with your account.

OK,  But I prefer Brunettes and steam punk over Blondes and hay bails  if I am going to end up with a new profile picture. 

[ZenRyder]

Guys, I'm totally happy with the solution. Thank you, thank you, thank you! It needed to be done. Let's not kick the dead horse. For any one with lingering doubts or problems with it.

Just...

I'm fine if I never hear that name again. What name? Uh, I forget...

[Jpd]

Thank god! I couldn’t stand that (persons) posts, they were everywhere. Adios hoverwheel!!!!

[Mono]

On 1/22/2020 at 3:25 AM, meepmeepmayer said:

@Mono Why do you care?

Because I do. I do care if people are bullied. I prefer not to be part of a group that bullies outsiders due to a badly chosen profile picture, even when I got assured that I (and everybody else but that very person) will never become a victim.

On 1/22/2020 at 3:25 AM, meepmeepmayer said:

We mods finally decided to remove one single problem member. I don't want to be rude, but am not going to repeat all the mod discussions we had to have about Aneta (a lot), even if you are curious (I fully understand and I don't blame you). Enough time has been wasted on this instead of spending it with electric unicycles. I have to ask you to trust us. We are not stupid or unprofessional.

Funny that you mention it though 

On 1/22/2020 at 3:25 AM, meepmeepmayer said:

This means nothing to you or anyone else in broader terms (in the sense that you could read anything out of it). Best to forget about it.

If "trust us" and "forget about it" is the final "professional" answer (to the question I asked above in bold), I have lost interest in contributing to this forum any longer. Cheers either way!

[EUC Custom Power-Pads]

40 minutes ago, Mono said:

I have lost interest in contributing to this forum any longer.

Nice move, I really appreciate it and I can live (despite great sadness over the loss of an EUC brother) very good with your decision. 

I wish you the best. 

[winterwheel]

Banning someone from a forum isn't bullying.

[travsformation]

4 hours ago, Mono said:

Because I do. I do care if people are bullied. I prefer not to be part of a group that bullies outsiders due to a badly chosen profile picture, even when I got assured that I (and everybody else but that very person) will never become a victim.

If "trust us" and "forget about it" is the final "professional" answer (to the question I asked above in bold), I have lost interest in contributing to this forum any longer. Cheers either way!
 

Mono, there is MUCH you don't know about what happened, things are not necessarily how they might seem to you. Believe me, if they were it wouldn't have been tolerated.

When a moderator asks you to trust him, what he's trying to say is "You don't have enough puzzle pieces to know what the whole picture actually looks like. We do, and believe us, if you did too, you'd understand why we made the decision we made".

There's also a reason why further discussion on the subject isn't being encouraged and no additional details are being provided. These decisions aren't arbitrary and have been carefully meditated. Once again, you'd need to see the entire picture to understand, all I can say is that they've been made with the benefit of the community at large in mind.

Since recently being modded and gaining access to all the behind the scenes discussions and decisions that go into keeping this forum the place that it is, all I can say is that I'm very grateful to all the mods for devoting their time so that everyone can enjoy and benefit from this forum. I can also say that all decisions are taken collectively, taking into account many different perspectives and considerations (which is why it's good that the team is made up of people from different countries and with different opinions), and always for the benefit of the community.

Having seen how decision-making occurs, I personally trust all of the other mods' judgments, and more importantly, the balanced stance that they reach as a whole, when everyone is in agreement, as was the case here. If things were the way you seem to think they are, the appropriate measures would have been taken. Whether you believe me or not is up to you, all I can say is that if my mod status were revoked today, I'd be even happier to participate in this forum than I was before being modded, with an increased sense of trust and respect for the mods overlooking this forum and the good judgement and intentions guiding their decisions

Edited February 4, 2020 by travsformation

[meepmeepmayer]

Sorry to everybody for not saying more, but in addition to what @travsformation's beautiful post explains, we mods have moved on (new forums coming!) and don't want to waste any more time on this I'm out of here, enjoying EUC discussions instead

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@Mono If you can't live with it, you'd be the latest (and last) victim of that person doing damage to this forum. Just saying Stay.

Edited February 4, 2020 by meepmeepmayer

[atdlzpae]

@Mono Look at Reddit for bad moderators. Try to say something conservative on /r/politics for example and see how fast your comment will be "Removed by moderator".

This is a low moderation forum. How many bans were there in the last year (not including people who came here just to spam)?