MSuper Pro?

[EMA]

the green torque will go to a friends,   now  it's time to play with the purple speed 

 

Edited December 9, 2020 by EMA

[NickNonsense]

Whats the purpose of those, grip? or something to leverage your foot against for jumps?

[EMA]

7 hours ago, NickNonsense said:

Whats the purpose of those, grip? or something to leverage your foot against for jumps?

basically they hold your foot in place, helps a bit for pushing and if you want you can jump 

[Rawnei]

How bad is the trolley handle on the MSP (or all Gotway in general?)? I've read vague stories of people losing control over it in the store if they don't pay attention which seems pretty embarrassing. 😁

From what I understand it's the positioning of it that is awkward and as such you can accidentally push the MSP into an unintentional lean getting it to speed off, is that correct?

[NickNonsense]

12 minutes ago, Rawnei said:

From what I understand it's the positioning of it that is awkward and as such you can accidentally push the MSP into an unintentional lean getting it to speed off, is that correct?

Basically nailed it on the head, its alright(ish) when you get used to it but if that leans a little too much to one side that thing is like a rocket 

Edited September 7, 2020 by NickNonsense

[AtlasP]

1 hour ago, Rawnei said:

How bad is the trolley handle on the MSP (or all Gotway in general?)? I've read vague stories of people losing control over it in the store if they don't pay attention which seems pretty embarrassing. 😁

From what I understand it's the positioning of it that is awkward and as such you can accidentally push the MSP into an unintentional lean getting it to speed off, is that correct?

Link to specific timestamp:

https://youtu.be/C9v2A3J9IyI?t=329

[NickNonsense]

Oh wait, i have a clip too, timestamped. I was watching this earlier.
 

 

Edited September 7, 2020 by NickNonsense

[Rawnei]

Oh so it's side-wards if you lean it too much that's an issue, but I guess that can happen easily since it's in the back like that, not only embarrassing when it happens but also giving EUC's a bad rep if it happens in a store or near people. 😅

Gotway really have to fix this trolley design it's a major weak-point.

[Gaz Bon]

4 hours ago, Rawnei said:

Gotway really have to fix this trolley design it's a major weak-point.

Well had my MSX for 2 yrs now and the handle still works over 4k of serious off roading and serious tumbles 

KS16 X broke within 300Kms 

Inmotion V10F partial covered the real light when closed had to be modified

So i beg to differ

 

 

 

[Rawnei]

26 minutes ago, Gaz Bon said:

Well had my MSX for 2 yrs now and the handle still works over 4k of serious off roading and serious tumbles 

KS16 X broke within 300Kms 

Inmotion V10F partial covered the real light when closed had to be modified

So i beg to differ

The complaint is not about how robust the handle is but rather it's functionality, it's not acceptable to have your wheel fly off inside a store or in a crowd, it's bad for you, it's bad for everyone around you and it's bad for EUC reputation.

[DjPanJan]

Can confirm handle problematic/pain to use. I was take my KS16X to all shop with me no problem. MSP no way go to place where people is just no! Now i park on some wall near shop entrance or leave MSP outside shop. Is unrideable with wristguard and troley safely. Only time where is handle usefull is when i need rest/walk because leg pain and troley MSP just front no turns. MSP is cruiser not shop/city/metro/bus/train machine. If you need convience all-in EUC take 16X. 

Little hack is if MSP troley push in hand little continiously up this make MSP acelerate slowly this position make more stability on troley.   

[Gaz Bon]

1 hour ago, Rawnei said:

The complaint is not about how robust the handle is but rather it's functionality

Well if the handle is broken then it is not functional ??? 

i understood the question and have never had the weak wrist problem maybe to much masturbation

 

[Arbolest]

I've never once had any kind of problem or issue with my MSuper handle. I take it into the store with me all the time and it's never tried to "run away" or twist sideways or accelerate randomly. It's all about the handling.

If you think about it behaving more organically (like a smallish animal) then I think its movements will start to make more sense... The handle is off-axis from the axle, so the movements required to control it are more subtle and organic. You're more guiding it with firm suggestions than you are controlling it like a remote control car or something...

 

[Rawnei]

Just because it's not a problem for you guys personally doesn't mean the problem does not exist, you have to think outside of your own perspective sometimes.

[Arbolest]

49 minutes ago, Rawnei said:

Just because it's not a problem for you guys personally doesn't mean the problem does not exist, you have to think outside of your own perspective sometimes.

I mean this with absolutely no disrespect intended, but can you define the problem clearly?

[Mike Sacristan]

I have mentioned the MSX handle so many times.
The handle is to be used within the limitations of it's design. As with anything!

Simply do not lean the wheel to the sides to turn it! Steer it and twist it from behind.
I use an overhand grip.
I have gone shopping countless times with the MSX. It just requires being present.

[Rawnei]

8 minutes ago, Arbolest said:

I mean this with absolutely no disrespect intended, but can you define the problem clearly?

I think it's been clearly defined multiple times before but you can lose control over the wheel when pushing it by the trolley if you let your attention wander which could easily happen in certain situations, it could be avoided by a centered trolley design.

[Rawnei]

5 minutes ago, Mike Sacristan said:

I have mentioned the MSX handle so many times.
The handle is to be used within the limitations of it's design. As with anything!

Simply do not lean the wheel to the sides to turn it! Steer it and twist it from behind.
I use an overhand grip.
I have gone shopping countless times with the MSX. It just requires being present.

Yep but surely you have to agree it's bad design and there are better trolley solutions in existence? 😉

[Mike Sacristan]

1 minute ago, Rawnei said:

Yep but surely you have to agree it's bad design and there are better trolley solutions in existence? 😉

Sort of. Maybe they are only better at the things that they are better at though... and not at the things they aren't.

The Kingsong handles have a tendency to break if you lean them wrong or if they take a tumble. It is an exposed handle + trolley handle and becomes a single point of failure.
The MSX/MSP etc design separates the two as do many other wheels. And also allows you to use the seat and still use the trolley handle.
Also when holding the wheel between our legs because maybe we can't lean it all over the place it is much easier to do so with the MSX flipped with the trolley handle away.
If you lean the 16X handle against a wall while fully deployed it will bend and become a wank handle like mine.

If you were to use the 16X or 18XL seat you would be stuck holding the seat in your hand while shopping.
One hand to steer the wheel and the other to hold the seat.  Guess there won't be much shopping done after all.
Then same story carrying it up the stairs to my apartment. I can open the door with my mouth.
The S18 handle can't be grabbed without being partially deployed it making it hard to catch a runaway wheel when off-roading or just climbing off.

Want to grab your wheel while going off-road? Go ahead and grab the 18XL or 16X handle with the left sensor active and watch it activate and tip the wheel when you apply upward pressure to it.

The Kingsong handles rattle (can be fixed). The MSX/MSP handle can hold a flashlight, GoPro, beer cup.

You are more than welcome to come over and try trolleying my wheels around lol. Just please let me film it!

David trolleyed the MSX quite a bit as a first time rider... although the slippery floor at Burger King did get me once.

 

[Arbolest]

1 minute ago, Rawnei said:

I think it's been clearly defined multiple times before but you can lose control over the wheel when pushing it by the trolley if you let your attention wander which could easily happen in certain situations, it could be avoided by a centered trolley design.

Yes, I wholeheartedly agree that one CAN lose control over the wheel when pushing it via the trolley handle, however I think that would only ever be the case if one allows their attention to wander, like you said. It is my opinion that in that case the fault lies with the user, not the machine or its design. 

3 minutes ago, Rawnei said:

Yep but surely you have to agree it's bad design and there are better trolley solutions in existence? 😉

Mmmm, just my opinion again, but I would say that this statement is only true for certain mind-sets. "Better" is completely subjective.

 

I don't think that championing one's favored design over any other design will really help with determining their relative worth, or "how bad" one of them is. In this particular case I think you would need to dive a bit deeper into the mechanics of all the solutions (as well as the control methods and techniques) and investigate not only the hows, but also the whys involved. In the end you'll probably find that all things considered, there really is no clear winner -- rather, there are just a bunch of amazing machines and crazy people who like to use them in very different ways.

Cheers! 

[Arbolest]

5 minutes ago, Mike Sacristan said:

Sort of. Maybe they are only better at the things that they are better at though... and not at the things they aren't.

[Rawnei]

20 minutes ago, Arbolest said:

Yes, I wholeheartedly agree that one CAN lose control over the wheel when pushing it via the trolley handle, however I think that would only ever be the case if one allows their attention to wander, like you said. It is my opinion that in that case the fault lies with the user, not the machine or its design.

You guys make fair and valid points but I strongly disagree with the bolded part because unexpected things can and will happen, like you are walking in a store full of people and activity and get distracted by something unexpected that can happen to anyone and I don't think it should be blame on the user for not focusing enough on how they are pushing their wheel with the trolley in a situation like that.

[Lilvodka]

Received mine.  Is it normal to have wires crossing under the motor wires like I’ve circled in yellow?

[EUC Custom Power-Pads]

Yes, and they are under tension too. That's the first I fixed after I opened the shell. 

You should move the buzzer behind the headlight air vents. 

 

Edited September 17, 2020 by buell47

[Planemo]

On 9/8/2020 at 2:30 PM, Rawnei said:

You guys make fair and valid points but I strongly disagree with the bolded part because unexpected things can and will happen, like you are walking in a store full of people and activity and get distracted by something unexpected that can happen to anyone and I don't think it should be blame on the user for not focusing enough on how they are pushing their wheel with the trolley in a situation like that.

I totally agree with Mike and others on this thread. The MSX/MSP does have a 'weird' design but its no better or worse than the problems other types of trolley handles can give you. You just need to understand that the msx handle is off-centre and you're sorted. I have never had my msx run away from me and with the greatest respect, if an 'unexpected' thing happens and you get 'distracted' enough to lose control of your euc whilst trollying at walking pace you probably shouldnt be riding an msx in the first place.