Popular Post RockyTop Posted January 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) I joke about my wife, “the mean old vacuum cleaner lady,” but they are just jokes. She puts up with ME after all. She never complains when I buy a new wheel. ( ....... because I make sure that she always has the best wheel) She hardly ever really complains about anything. (That part really scares me. I just know she is going to snap someday. - No more Rocky Top!) We are best friends in life and I could not live without her. (Someone has to feed me and keep me from eating nothing but crackers and peanut M&M’s) Wives are truly great. I don’t know why they put up with us ...... or maybe it is just me. Edited January 9, 2020 by RockyTop 20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nitecrawler Posted January 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2020 I think you are a wise man for appreciating the blessing that your wife can be. I know I could do a better job of showing my appreciation to my own wife. Some flowers may be in order... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RetroThruster Posted January 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2020 Whoa, wait a minute, did you buy another wheel and not tell us? That or you've been watching the Hallmark channel all day:) Joking aside, men are the ones that buy the toys, women are much more content imo. "For every great man, there is an even greater woman"... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RockyTop Posted January 8, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 8, 2020 @RetroThruster Not yet. I mentioned that i liked the idea of the new 100 volt 1800wh MSX. She said that I should get it. I always feel like it is a test. Yet after 30 years of marriage she has never called me on it. I like the wheels that I have now. But t is tempting. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blicky Te⚡️la Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Let’s be inclusive and not presumptive and revise it to say “partners” or companions or better halves. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mono Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 23 minutes ago, General Principle said: Let’s be inclusive and not presumptive and revise it to say “partners” or companions or better halves. yeah, though I guess it depends. "My wife" or "my wives" seems perfectly fine to me, but I guess it should rather be "our partners". 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post musk Posted January 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2020 7 hours ago, RockyTop said: @RetroThruster Not yet. I mentioned that i liked the idea of the new 100 volt 1800wh MSX. She said that I should get it. I always feel like it is a test. Yet after 30 years of marriage she has never called me on it. I like the wheels that I have now. But t is tempting. If you are personally offended at this lack of inclusion, fair enough. I'd show you the respect of inclusion if I am aware of your issue. But I hate being scolded about an theoretic issue which has no known victims. It makes me want to resist, even if the notion is positive. Without context, it looks like a happy OP posted a message of gratitude about his wife and you swooped in to wokescold him. It looks like you're trying to solve an imaginary problem. At best, you're playing favorites with your marginalized groups and choosing interpersonal relationships as a way to scold, but really there are many potential ways you could scold the OP for not being inclusive enough. Perhaps the OP should also be inclusive of those amputees who cannot buy EUC's, or perhaps OP should also account for people who lack the money to buy a new EUC because they're a member of the working poor class. If we want to pick apart the myriad ways the OP could've accounted for every conceivable marginalized group, we could generate quite a list. Let's show each other respect, yes. We also don't need to trip over ourselves with self-righteous navel gazing. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR BRAD Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 8 hours ago, RockyTop said: @RetroThruster Not yet. I mentioned that i liked the idea of the new 100 volt 1800wh MSX. She said that I should get it. I always feel like it is a test. Yet after 30 years of marriage she has never called me on it. I like the wheels that I have now. But t is tempting. It’s a trap!!!!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rehab1 Posted January 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) My wife went on disability 6 weeks ago and I have been doing everything in my power to help her recuperate. See doesn't like all of my attention but I will never forget how much time and effort she put forth in nurturing me back to health after my accident. Love ya Cheri! Edited January 9, 2020 by Rehab1 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post travsformation Posted January 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, General Principle said: Let’s be inclusive and not presumptive and revise it to say “partners” or companions or better halves. I don't see how that applies here or why we should sacrifice diversity in the name of inclusion. Some people have a wife, some people have a husband, some people have a boyfriend, some have a girlfriend, some people have several... (And some have cats). What's wrong with that? Can't we just acknowledge that we're all different and move on? The OP has a wife, and was expressing his gratitude (although I suspect his real motivation is for us to help him assess whether he should buy the 100V MSX/whether his wife's go-ahead is actually a trap ). It makes sense for him to use the word wife in this context, and context is important. Don't get me wrong, I'm fast to call out discrimination where relevant, but I really fail to see why the OP should have said "wives/fiancés/partners/significant others are great" in this context. And even if he'd done so, there's still a chance someone would feel excluded because he didn't mention concubines or take into account open relationships, three-way relationships or harems... To me, inclusion is about acknowledging our differences, looking past them and focusing on what we have in common, as opposed to re-framing other people's words to shift the focus from them to one's self, which feels like an awfully self-centered approach---and one that's unlikely to foster much empathy... Would anyone take offense if someone (a man) said "Aren't husbands great?". I can't speak for anyone else, but in my case, although I wouldn't feel identified with the specifics, I can relate to the general feeling that it's wonderful to have a significant other, which is what the message is trying to convey, and what matters. I'd feel embarrassingly self-centered if I were to call the person out just because I'm not gay and don't feel included. What's more, I feel it would create division instead of inclusion and connection. I don't have to be gay to understand and relate to the sentence "Aren't boyfriends great?". The same applies to wives: I have a girlfriend, but don't know what being married for 30 years feels like. Of course there will always be specifics I can't relate to based on my own subjective experience, but I can try to put myself in someone else's shoes and imagine the reality the other person is trying to convey, as well as appreciate the more general gist of it---gratitude is a universal feeling (hopefully). Which is why I can empathize with the broader feeling behind the sentence "Aren't Jewish Haitian husbands great?", even if I can't relate to the specifics. And why should I? Empathy is the ability to partake in someone else's joy or sorrow, regardless of our differences. What's more, this inclusion sub-thread is taking away from a worrying aspect of what @RockyTop said: "Aren't wives great?" Why the plural? How does he know what other wives are like? Something fishy is going on...All I can say is: I'm glad my girlfriend doesn't live next door to him But on a serious note, sounds like you're a lucky man @RockyTop! Edited January 9, 2020 by travsformation 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mono Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 8 hours ago, musk said: Perhaps the OP should also be inclusive of those amputees who cannot buy EUC's, or perhaps OP should also account for people who lack the money to buy a new EUC because they're a member of the working poor class. If we want to pick apart the myriad ways the OP could've accounted for every conceivable marginalized group, we could generate quite a list. I don't think you have a valid argument here: First, the OP excluded men, but did not exclude amputees or even any other group than non-women for that matter. Second, excluding people with a more-or-less-immutable trait (ethnicity, gender,...) is quite different from "excluding" people that currently do not have a certain amount of money. To refer to "yacht owners" or to "EUCers" discriminates some people from others (e.g. those who could effort it from those who could not) but is not considered "discrimination" for a good reason Just to be sure, the OP certainly doesn't need to fall back to "my partner" when his partner is a wife. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ben Kim Posted January 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2020 The right wives are good. the wrong ones are the devil incarnate. Glad to see you got one of the right ones! 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR BRAD Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Well I know the unfortunate zeitgeist is for us to feel some kind of offense for some kind of perceived (or, to be fair, real) wrong, to pit “us against them”, “you against me” and blame it all on the republicans or the democrats or the liberals or the conservatives, to believe that all media is fake or that all cops are thugs... I could go on and I’m sure you all have an opinion. To that end, I respect that you do and I respect your right to express it. I’m guessing that in most, if not every, country represented by members herein, freedom of expression and, by extension, opinion, is protected and celebrated. I’m guessing most here feel the same and stating the above is more of a truism. Not at all put off by the OP and the offense at the term “wife” as marginal or expressing adherence to the female gender would run counter to the way quite a few of my friends use the term. I know that living in the SF Bay Area skews the lexicon for words like “wife” and “husband”, but, at least to the alternate universe here in California, wife and husband are not forgone expressions of gender. Although it’s always more fun when someone gets their nose knocked out of joint and we can draw imaginary lines in the stand, take positions and rattle swords. Guilty! PS... I love my wife!!! Thanks for reminding me @RockyTop 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unventor Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 23 hours ago, RockyTop said: I joke about my wife, “the mean old vacuum cleaner lady,” but they are just jokes. She puts up with ME after all. She never complains when I buy a new wheel. ( ....... because I make sure that she always has the best wheel) She hardly ever really complains about anything. (That part really scares me. I just know she is going to snap someday. - No more Rocky Top!) We are best friends in life and I could not live without her. (Someone has to feed me and keep me from eating nothing but crackers and peanut M&M’s) Wives are truly great. I don’t know why they put up with us ...... or maybe it is just me. Not all as lucky as you🙄 Now in my case I chose to stay single as it is rare to find that special one that just click together with you (I mean that as me, you, us in general). I did choose to get 2 cats to have something alive to come home to. But after 8 years one of them got poorly and she didn't respond to medication, but a week before Christmas I made the hard choice enough was enough. I decided to put her down. Now the other cat (her sister) is missing her a lot (and I do too) but this is the cycle of life. So back to your post, what I am trying to say is that you really have to appreciate if you find a good life companion, being wife, husband or pets. I am single not lonely, but I would not be able to take my cat to enjoy my EUC passion. If your wife share this with you at some level, that is just great IMHO. 👌👍 Please feel free to share this with you wife. Note: I know you cannot compare a pet with a wife, but the big point here, is we all need company on some level. The cat I have left is now bonding even tighter with me so she always sit in my lap, when I am home. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted January 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2020 17 hours ago, General Principle said: Let’s be inclusive and not presumptive and revise it to say “partners” or companions or better halves. This is @RockyTop's post about his wife (note first person perspective of the post's title). When referring to my wife I'm never going to use the term partner, companion, etc. And @RockyTop, looks like you have a great marriage. I think our wives are glad to see how much enjoyment we get out of our wheels. Probably keeps some of us out of trouble 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travsformation Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 hour ago, MR BRAD said: Well I know the unfortunate zeitgeist is for us to feel some kind of offense for some kind of perceived (or, to be fair, real) wrong, to pit “us against them”, “you against me” and blame it all on the republicans or the democrats or the liberals or the conservatives, to believe that all media is fake or that all cops are thugs... I could go on and I’m sure you all have an opinion. To that end, I respect that you do and I respect your right to express it. I’m guessing that in most, if not every, country represented by members herein, freedom of expression and, by extension, opinion, is protected and celebrated. I’m guessing most here feel the same and stating the above is more of a truism. Not at all put off by the OP and the offense at the term “wife” as marginal or expressing adherence to the female gender would run counter to the way quite a few of my friends use the term. I know that living in the SF Bay Area skews the lexicon for words like “wife” and “husband”, but, at least to the alternate universe here in California, wife and husband are not forgone expressions of gender. Although it’s always more fun when someone gets their nose knocked out of joint and we can draw imaginary lines in the stand, take positions and rattle swords. Guilty! PS... I love my wife!!! Thanks for reminding me @RockyTop Mr. Brad, your balanced and eloquent comments are always a joy to read! I particularly enjoyed the vivid image that the line-drawing and sword-rattling evoked! (Speaking of which: guilty as charged...) @Unventor sorry about your cat. Even though we're all aware of how the cycle of life works, it's tough all the same. Pets are companions and family members, so I feel your pain. For what it's worth, I've always found it comforting to focus on all the stray animals that live on the streets and have to scavenge for food in a man-made environment and endure the wet and cold, and think of how lucky my pets have been with their luxurious, indoor, spoiled lives I currently have a dog, and to circle back to the subject of significant others, my dog and girlfriend take turns at putting up with me. I think it makes it easier for both of them 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RockyTop Posted January 9, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2020 Thanks, No hate or disrespect intended. Love is Love. Enjoy life as you can. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blicky Te⚡️la Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) Ahh boy. It’s amazing how those firmly entrenched in the dominant culture, class etc clutches their pearls...aghast, whenever an alternative is brought to their attention. Then go into the endless “whatboutisms” smh I even saw the words “why should we sacrifice” and “no known victims” 🤦🏾♂️ . FTR no one spoke of the OP’s intent. It’s about simply being aware. Malintent doesn’t have to be present for actions or words to be potentially dividing or make other feel like they don’t belong. I just want any and everyone to feel a part of this. And for those on the outside looking in, feel like they’d be welcome. Language and word choices are subtle and powerful. This kind of reminds me of a mini controversy on the FB page about who to ban and why. 🤔 Edited January 9, 2020 by General Principle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Daley1 Posted January 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2020 How does an ode to the the beautiful people in our life get hijacked by the "political correctness police"? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travsformation Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 3 hours ago, General Principle said: It’s about simply being aware. Malintent doesn’t have to be present for actions or words to be potentially dividing or make other feel like they don’t belong. We've both made our respective stances clear. How about we both apply what you suggested in the quoted text, word for word? Let's try to be aware that a thread where someone is showing gratitude and appreciation for his wife isn't the best stage for a political debate; that despite the lack of malintent, it's still inconsiderate to shift the focus from "I love my wife" to a self-serving debate on cultural entrenchment or the meaning of empathy (guilty as charged...); that this discussion is the only thing that's dividing in this thread; and that making the OP feel like he doesn't belong in his own thread (no over-dramatization intended) would be a d*ck move on both our parts. So can we agree that we disagree AND that, in accordance with both of our philosophies, dropping the discussion is the most coherent thing to do? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post seage Posted January 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, General Principle said: Ahh boy. It’s amazing how those firmly entrenched in the dominant culture, class etc clutches their pearls...aghast, whenever an alternative is brought to their attention. Then go into the endless “whatboutisms” smh I even saw the words “why should we sacrifice” and “no known victims” 🤦🏾♂️ . FTR no one spoke of the OP’s intent. It’s about simply being aware. Malintent doesn’t have to be present for actions or words to be potentially dividing or make other feel like they don’t belong. I just want any and everyone to feel a part of this. And for those on the outside looking in, feel like they’d be welcome. Language and word choices are subtle and powerful. This kind of reminds me of a mini controversy on the FB page about who to ban and why. 🤔 Its fair to be aware, but that goes both ways. It seems like you're not "aware" of perspectives and context. In this context, this was a first person perspective. There was no reason to be inclusive in the opening statements. I don't have a wife myself, so I don't know how one would put up with me, but that doesn't make me feel excluded. I just noted that that specific remark at the end of his statement was to those who do have wives, and to others who can, via reading the rest of the post, could relate (or not) with their own situations. But it was very much a first person, personal perspective, so OP is not in the wrong here. There was no "potential dividing". We call that "projection". You're projecting a problem into the mix that does not exist. And its nice to see how you're lumping people that you don't know into categories. "firmly entrenched in the dominant culture, class etc". Come on, mate..this isn't twitter or tumblr, lets relax. Edited January 10, 2020 by seage 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blicky Te⚡️la Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Daley1 said: How does an ode to the the beautiful people in our life get hijacked by the "political correctness police"? “Political correctness “ is a term people use to dismiss ideas that makes then feel uncomfortable. It is a tool used to absolve people from dealing with an issue on its merits. It’s weak. Edited January 10, 2020 by General Principle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blicky Te⚡️la Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 20 minutes ago, travsformation said: So can we agree that we disagree AND that, in accordance with both of our philosophies, dropping the discussion is the most coherent thing to do? 🍻 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blicky Te⚡️la Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 I also love my wife btw... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post travsformation Posted January 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) I can already imagine the dinnertime conversation at The @RockyTops' house: - RockyTop: The guys in the EUC forum are telling me how lucky I am to have such an understanding and supportive wife. Unventor specifically told me to convey to you how fortunate I am to have a wife who shares my interest in EUCs - Mrs. Rockytop: Wow! And how did that conversation come about? - RockyTop: I posted a thread about how much I love you. - Mrs. RockyTop: Ah, that's sweet! What else did they say? - RockyTop: I don't know, I lost interest and moved onto something else when someone suggested I should refer to you as "my partner" and the thread turned into a debate on social inclusion and division politics. - Mrs. RockyTop: - RockyTop: I guess now probably isn't the best time to bring up that I'm considering getting a 100V MSX, is it? - Mrs. RockyTop: Nonsense! I think the sooner you buy it, the better! That way you'll spend more time riding and less time on that forum, mingling with those weirdos and misfits... - RockyTop: I love you! (But this time I ain't saying shit about it on the forum!) Disclaimer: I have no idea how the RockyTops speak to each other at the dinner table nor whether Mrs. RockyTop would say "nonsense" or "bullshit". I mean no disrespect or stereotyping by the above depiction of Mr. or Mrs. RockyTop's private conversations. I tried to hack into their Alexa to provide a more accurate representation but failed miserably. For any further questions or clarifications, please contact my attorney Edited January 10, 2020 by travsformation 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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