Insta360 One R

[Aneta]

"Disclaimer: ONE X 2 is NEVER a confirmation - I believe this is a rumor I hear from other YouTubers and forums. Sorry I made the joke look like it is confirmed information but it is NOT. Just there for entertainment and joke purposes. ONE R is probably the ONE X 2 or there will be some other camera coming out - who knows? I don't want to miss guide anyone tho b/c of my joke lol."

[seage]

1 hour ago, houseofjob said:

Argh, Insta360 One X2 due out later this year?!?!

 

I literally came here to mention this. I was watchign the same video and had an "oh shit" moment. I was ready to bite the bullet on this modular camera, which I still think is awesome. Sometimes i hate how many options we have LOL.

[EUC Custom Power-Pads]

I didn't buy an Insta One X because the Android app is supposed to be terribly bad. Is this also to be expected with the ONE R?

I would like to have already an Insta for my next skiing holiday in the middle of March and I hope that the statement with Inst One X 2 is just a rumour. If not, I would probably still wait for it. 

[ZenRyder]

5 minutes ago, buell47 said:

I didn't buy an Insta One X because the Android app is supposed to be terribly bad. Is this also to be expected with the ONE R?

At least Insta360 has a Windows app. GoPro still doesn't even have an estimated time frame for a Windows app and they launched their product with a Mac app only. Incredible thinking to release the only desktop editing software for the Mac which has less than 10% of the desktop/laptop market. So 9 out of 10 people can't use it. Genius marketing (oxymoron). The only thing you can do on Windows is export the file format for other apps. GoPro software (or lack there of) is the worst. Their Android app is unusable for anything but selfies and instagram. I'm not buying any more GoPro hardware unless they address this. I'm voting with my $$ on the competition.

[Marty Backe]

1 hour ago, buell47 said:

I didn't buy an Insta One X because the Android app is supposed to be terribly bad. Is this also to be expected with the ONE R?

I would like to have already an Insta for my next skiing holiday in the middle of March and I hope that the statement with Inst One X 2 is just a rumour. If not, I would probably still wait for it. 

I do all of my 360 X editing on Windows with the Insta program and Adobe software so I don't miss the Android app (or lack of a good one).

[seage]

So guys, theres footage out from the One R. It looks a bit better than the X, and not as good at that qoo thing. But, the qoo has some weird color stuff going on, and weird ass chromatic aberration on most of the videos ive seen. But that quality is crispy. 

The R's stabilization is stupid though. I was almost offended by how clean it is. Do you guys find the insta360 X's quality to be up to standard? I know you use it for all of your videos now @Marty Backe. I wasnt too sure if I should bite that bullet because superview 4k footage out of the gopro was pretty hard to beat for most action cams. If i could use my DSLR i would instead, but im not riding all day with that thing, lmao. And a high quality point and shoot would be good too, but mainly for other people. So anyways, 360 has so many advantages, but I cant decide if its worth it with that drop of quality, (I guess its due to the bitrate?)

[DjPanJan]

360 one R have beta firmware we need w8. Is same like osmo action first firmware after release very bad results after 6 months many new tweaks picture quality updates etc. 

[houseofjob]

On 1/15/2020 at 3:27 AM, seage said:

So guys, theres footage out from the One R. It looks a bit better than the X, and not as good at that qoo thing. But, the qoo has some weird color stuff going on, and weird ass chromatic aberration on most of the videos ive seen. But that quality is crispy. 

Personally, I'm playing a wait-and-see approach eyeing the Qoocam 8K. They don't seem to be a storied action cam company (GoPro) or have a blazing track record with software/firmware development like Insta360, so they have much work to do on the color / stabilization / software front, but like all 360 cams, they seem to have gotten their previous 4K product up to speed with the typical firmware revisions that transform all 360 cameras over time. 

In the end, it's really hard to out-software just bigger sensors, especially for low-light, so 8k 1" sensors are the future IMHO.

 

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So guys, theres footage out from the One R. It looks a bit better than the X, and not as good at that qoo thing. But, the qoo has some weird color stuff going on, and weird ass chromatic aberration on most of the videos ive seen. But that quality is crispy. 

This.

I dunno how a Tishawn does it, but after trying to lug around Zhiyun gimbal + Sony A6500 + lens, I'd rather just bide my time waiting for the much lighter action cams to get good enough. Hopefully the One R 1" & stuff like the Qoocam 8K are this.

 

On 1/15/2020 at 3:27 AM, seage said:

Do you guys find the insta360 X's quality to be up to standard? I know you use it for all of your videos now @Marty Backe. I wasnt too sure if I should bite that bullet because superview 4k footage out of the gopro was pretty hard to beat for most action cams.... So anyways, 360 has so many advantages, but I cant decide if its worth it with that drop of quality, (I guess its due to the bitrate?)

You can't compare a GoPro's flat 4k image here because all these 5K 360 cams (minus the Qoocam 8K) flatten/zoom-in to an equivalent flat 1080P. 

For me, as I tend to regard 1080P as good enough (for phones and such), I'd say 360 cams are worth it for sunny daylight stuff. The only place the quality is lacking IMHO is motion night footage, which judging conventional camera sensors, will definitely require a jump to 1" sensors (ala Sony RX100 series).

 

Edited January 16, 2020 by houseofjob

[seage]

On 1/16/2020 at 9:17 AM, houseofjob said:

This.

I dunno how a Tishawn does it, but after trying to lug around Zhiyun gimbal + Sony A6500 + lens, I'd rather just bide my time waiting for the much lighter action cams to get good enough. Hopefully the One R 1" & stuff like the Qoocam 8K are this.

As it is right now, I dont know if theres any other option for good low light footage, which is what I really want to get. I'm trying to hide and fix some of it with denoisers and LUTs. But theres only so much I can do so far. Saw a good review of the 1 inch sensor and the guy in the video even said, its not gonna be the answer for low light filming on action cams. Its not bad, but its not the best. For PHOTOS it was pretty damn good though. I mean, end of the day, no action camera today is gonna beat a full frame sensored DSLR, haha. But its like you said, that trade off for the quality is that you have to lug around a huge setup. You've helped Tishawn a few times with filming. Just how hard is it to carry that all day long?

[houseofjob]

8 hours ago, seage said:

You've helped Tishawn a few times with filming. Just how hard is it to carry that all day long?

Well, I’ve HAD that setup before, and for me, it’s not worth carrying all that all day.  I’d rather just film with an action camera on pole during day or dusk, which IMHO gets more than a good enough result. It’s not as much about the weight as it is about having too many weighty bulky pieces to keep track of, plus the way these guys shoot, they’re shooting blind most of the time carrying an inverted gimbal on follow mode, unless they add an lcd monitor, which adds yet another bulky weighty piece to the equation.

[houseofjob]

8 hours ago, seage said:

Saw a good review of the 1 inch sensor and the guy in the video even said, its not gonna be the answer for low light filming on action cams.

I saw the same review, and I don’t totally agree. First, the FW always gets better for Insta360, so judging by the early firmware is not representative necessarily of what the camera will be in a year’s time. Second, I’ve seen RX100 footage that is completely passable (no noise but on the dark side), so the RX100 as well being a 1” sensor, this has me hopeful for low light with the 1” mod. Also note, the reviewer is more 360 cam specialist, not so much action cam.

Edited January 20, 2020 by houseofjob

[ZenRyder]

We can talk about these things all day, but at some point somebody has to see what the real deal is and how it works when riding a wheel. Here is my unboxing and first Insta360 One R video. I took it on a ride with @Flyboy10 and @Nick McCutcheon up Otay Mountain. I'll give a more in depth review after more extensive use of the camera. Check it out for some early 360 R video...

 

[travsformation]

On 1/15/2020 at 9:18 AM, Marty Backe said:

I do all of my 360 X editing on Windows with the Insta program and Adobe software so I don't miss the Android app (or lack of a good one).

Same here, but it does present an issue with slow-mo: AFAIK, you can't slow video down in Insta360 Studio for PC, only in the mobile app, and when you export from the PC software, it generates 24 fps files (which makes for jittery slow-mo footage), I can't seem to find an option to export at other frame rates. Am I missing something? Edit: for some reason I'd set it to record in 5.7K, 24 fps...

Edited February 18, 2020 by travsformation

[travsformation]

Moved thread from "off-topic" to "Video-making and gear"

[Marty Backe]

3 hours ago, travsformation said:

Same here, but it does present an issue with slow-mo: AFAIK, you can't slow video down in Insta360 Studio for PC, only in the mobile app, and when you export from the PC software, it generates 24 fps files (which makes for jittery slow-mo footage), I can't seem to find an option to export at other frame rates. Am I missing something?

All I use the Insta desktop application for is to frame the footage. I export the video and import the result into Adobe software where I can color correct, slow or speed up the video, etc.

Yeah, if you're limited to only the Insta software, you're probably stuck 

[travsformation]

3 hours ago, Marty Backe said:

All I use the Insta desktop application for is to frame the footage. I export the video and import the result into Adobe software where I can color correct, slow or speed up the video, etc.

Yeah, if you're limited to only the Insta software, you're probably stuck 

I do the same, I only use Insta360 Studio to reframe, then import the footage to Adobe Premiere Pro. But I happened to notice that when slowing footage down from the app as opposed to Premiere, for some reason it looks smoother.

Too bad the InstaOne X doesn't allow for 60 fps at 5.7K, that would make for some buttery-smooth slow-mo footage. I still haven't tried 4K @ 50fps or 3K @ 100 fps, I'm curious to see how much of a quality drop there is when used to create normal (non-360) FullHD footage. I'm guessing that 3K @ 100 fps is going to half the quality, but 4K @ 50 fps is roughly a 30% drop in resolution...it might be worth the extra 20 fps in certain scenarios

Edited February 18, 2020 by travsformation

[Marty Backe]

10 hours ago, travsformation said:

I do the same, I only use Insta360 Studio to reframe, then import the footage to Adobe Premiere Pro. But I happened to notice that when slowing footage down from the app as opposed to Premiere, for some reason it looks smoother.

Too bad the InstaOne X doesn't allow for 60 fps at 5.7K, that would make for some buttery-smooth slow-mo footage. I still haven't tried 4K @ 50fps or 3K @ 100 fps, I'm curious to see how much of a quality drop there is when used to create normal (non-360) FullHD footage. I'm guessing that 3K @ 100 fps is going to half the quality, but 4K @ 50 fps is roughly a 30% drop in resolution...it might be worth the extra 20 fps in certain scenarios

The only way to get buttery smooth slo-mo from InstaOne X is to shoot at 4k @ 50fps. You should try it. You might be surprised how good it still looks. Keep in mind that 4K is what the original One shot at, and that video was decent.

[travsformation]

11 hours ago, Marty Backe said:

The only way to get buttery smooth slo-mo from InstaOne X is to shoot at 4k @ 50fps. You should try it. You might be surprised how good it still looks. Keep in mind that 4K is what the original One shot at, and that video was decent.

Thanks, I'll give it a try!

[Cory Brown]

For those of you who have the new Insta One R, how are you liking it so far? Was it a good buy?

Seriously considering one to start filming these glorious rides.

[Unventor]

On 1/30/2020 at 6:56 PM, ZenRyder said:

We can talk about these things all day, but at some point somebody has to see what the real deal is and how it works when riding a wheel. Here is my unboxing and first Insta360 One R video. I took it on a ride with @Flyboy10 and @Nick McCutcheon up Otay Mountain. I'll give a more in depth review after more extensive use of the camera. Check it out for some early 360 R video...

 

Have you tested to have the camera mounted on a selphystick inserted in the backpack pointing right up?

 And how high a pole do you need to get a enough distance to get something useful video from this way?

I prefer to have my hands free when I ride that is why I have not made much recordings my self. But being able to pan around would be a huge benefit.

[travsformation]

1 hour ago, Unventor said:

Have you tested to have the camera mounted on a selphystick inserted in the backpack pointing right up?

That may or may not work, depending on what you want to record. If you only want the scenery/a POV cam, it would do the job, but if you want to be in the image, it wouldn't be a good setup. You'd have to pan the camera view directly downwards for the rider to be in view, and it doesn't make for very interesting footage...

1 hour ago, Unventor said:

 And how high a pole do you need to get a enough distance to get something useful video from this way?

Even with the 3m selfie stick, it's a similar story. Here I was holding the stick vertically above me:

And needless to say, riding around with a 3m selfie stick sticking up vertically from one's backpack is neither feasible nor safe...

And having it stick behind you (even a shorter one) can still be difficult to accomplish and I don't think is too safe either

1 hour ago, Unventor said:

I prefer to have my hands free when I ride that is why I have not made much recordings my self. But being able to pan around would be a huge benefit.

If you like to ride hand-free, I think the ideal combination would be a short selfie stick, so you can get a few shorts of yourself and then store it in your backpack, and a helmet mount, which will produce pretty much the same results as a selfie stick mounted vertically on your backpack. 

I also prefer riding hands-free, so in the end I tend to dedicate parts of the ride to filming and others to just riding 

[Unventor]

1 hour ago, travsformation said:

If you like to ride hand-free, I think the ideal combination would be a short selfie stick, so you can get a few shorts of yourself and then store it in your backpack, and a helmet mount, which will produce pretty much the same results as a selfie stick mounted vertically on your backpack. 

I also prefer riding hands-free, so in the end I tend to dedicate parts of the ride to filming and others to just riding 

My hole idea weer if have lets say 75cm-1m stick over the backpack would that work Better than a helmet mounted camera. This would make it just a bit behind you and maybe a little taller than a tradition helmet mount would do. 

[travsformation]

15 minutes ago, Unventor said:

My hole idea weer if have lets say 75cm-1m stick over the backpack would that work Better than a helmet mounted camera. This would make it just a bit behind you and maybe a little taller than a tradition helmet mount would do. 

I don't think it would be much of an improvement over a helmet mount. Higher risk of damaging the camera too. If you want to be in the shot, the camera needs to be either perpendicular to you, or at not much more than a 45º angle. I don't think there are any viable alternatives to a selfie stick. Then again, there might be others out there who are more creative than I am, let's see if they have any ideas 

[DjPanJan]

My one R twin edition have water inside 360 lens what condensate and make fogy video in center both lens.

https://imgur.com/a/DQl6jhC

in video you can see fogy place in middle of picture. I go RMA in next week.

 

 

Edited May 13, 2020 by DjPanJan

[ZenRyder]

On 5/13/2020 at 5:36 AM, DjPanJan said:

My one R twin edition have water inside 360 lens what condensate and make fogy video in center both lens.

https://imgur.com/a/DQl6jhC

in video you can see fogy place in middle of picture. I go RMA in next week.

Wow, that's a bummer. Yes, you definitely need to RMA that camera. Not good at all. Good video though. It will be nice when you get the replacement and can post more videos.