INMOTION V11 (2020)

[Mark Wilson]

 

[TechShizzle]

Welp, that ain’t good.

[Mark Wilson]

Just now, TechShizzle said:

Welp, that ain’t good.

Yeah. Has Inmotion made any improvements to the cooling between the preproduction and the production versions?

[Paradox]

11 minutes ago, Mark Wilson said:

Yeah. Has Inmotion made any improvements to the cooling between the preproduction and the production versions?

The newest version now ships with two fans.  One for each hand.  When your riding you can fan the PCB enclosure from both sides.

Edited August 13, 2020 by Paradoxedgewater

[Rehab1]

4 hours ago, Marty Backe said:

Some of you may be interested in this upcoming video 

 

Strong stuff  Marty! Your gallant efforts testing wheels is always a pleasure to watch. Heck I got stressed watching you free your leg on the fence.

 

[UniVehje]

This kind of failure is serious if that weak spot is still the same on the production control board. I wouldn’t mind If it overheated and kicked the rider off to cool down. The OHH is not something people usually need to ride. But failing after those preliminary hills is not ok and has to be fixed.  I don’t know if it’s a larger cooling issue or just a weak component. But I want to know what it was and has it been changed since before doing any hard riding on mine. The MOSFETs seemed to be fine, though. 

[Rehab1]

7 minutes ago, Paradoxedgewater said:

The newest version now ships with two fans.  One for each hand.  When your riding you can fan the PCB enclosure from both sides.

So funny! 

Curious about your Looooong forum name. Poor kid if you had to spell it in 1st grade. 

[Skywalker]

Marty wins iron man of the year. Twice you had to trolley wheels down that hill in a months time. Very sad result.

[Marty Backe]

20 minutes ago, Rehab1 said:

Strong stuff  Marty! Your gallant efforts testing wheels is always a pleasure to watch. Heck I got stressed watching you free your leg on the fence.

 

Yeah, my stuck leg had me worried for a second until Jeff gave me a lift 

Edited August 13, 2020 by Marty Backe

[Marty Backe]

12 minutes ago, UniVehje said:

This kind of failure is serious if that weak spot is still the same on the production control board. I wouldn’t mind If it overheated and kicked the rider off to cool down. The OHH is not something people usually need to ride. But failing after those preliminary hills is not ok and has to be fixed.  I don’t know if it’s a larger cooling issue or just a weak component. But I want to know what it was and has it been changed since before doing any hard riding on mine. The MOSFETs seemed to be fine, though. 

Agreed. Based on what this wheel has been through it should not have failed. One or more parts were obviously stressed. I'll feel uncomfortable buying this wheel unless Inmotion provides some insight. I'm not hopefully that we'll learn anything other than, "the production wheels use a different control board" - not a confidence inspiring answer. Buy maybe they'll surprise me.

At least one MOSFET must have fried since those are what would allow two of the motor wires to short together.

Edited August 13, 2020 by Marty Backe

[Oscapuss]

At least you didn't fry the board and face plant into the rattlesnake.  Look on the brightside. 

[Jpd]

On 7/18/2020 at 5:50 PM, Jpd said:

Has anyone overheated the v11 yet or know at what temp it overheats? I was riding some steep hills today and managed to get the temp up to 179 degrees, which is more than the standard overheat of 80c (176 degrees)

I have had my wheel over 80c more than once without any issues. Something must be different in the production version board. 
 

[EUChristian]

15 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:

Agreed. Based on what this wheel has been through it should not have failed. One or more parts were obviously stressed. I'll feel uncomfortable buying this wheel unless Inmotion provides some insight. I'm not hopefully that we'll learn anything other than, "the production wheels use a different control board" - not a confidence inspiring answer. Buy maybe they'll surprise me.

At least one MOSFET must have fried since those are what would allow two of the motor wires to short together.

At this point I’m debating simply not buying any of these new wheels. I moved from the S18 to the V11 last week and since then we have saddle nuts breaking off and now a dead wheel before we even got to the test itself. 
 

I guess when I think of the phrase of “1st batch issues” I think of quirky things, not major structural and electronic failures. 
 

it’s strange to me listening to people write off some of these problems as minor quirks to be fixed on production models. That’s not INMOTION specific, it’s across every brand. The only thing I can think of is the majority of you are rich, and more than willing to shell out 2k on dreams and wishes. When I spend 2k I expect at bare minimum the shell won’t break easily and the wheel won’t just throw me down on the ground at 31mph because it feels like it. 
 

Two honest questions:
 

1.Are my standards too high?  Perhaps all EUCs have major issues at launch?

2.Do you have faith these issues can and will be corrected?

Thank you, no disrespect meant towards any of you or towards the brand. 

[Jpd]

I’ve completed this ride with the v11 twice this last week. It’s extremely steep the whole way up, a very difficult ride. I weigh a lot more than Marty, at least 20lbs for me the v11 has performed great in the mountains both uphill and downhill.

[Marty Backe]

32 minutes ago, Jpd said:

I’ve completed this ride with the v11 twice this last week. It’s extremely steep the whole way up, a very difficult ride. I weigh a lot more than Marty, at least 20lbs for me the v11 has performed great in the mountains both uphill and downhill.

Good info. Let us know if it's still working in a month after riding like that. This wheel that failed had probably 500+ miles on it and was 6+ weeks old.

[Marty Backe]

42 minutes ago, Jpd said:

I have had my wheel over 80c more than once without any issues. Something must be different in the production version board. 
 

The V11 doesn't overheat at 79-degrees? I've never seen a wheel yet that was spec'd to overheat above 79-degrees. This is very interesting.

[onizukagto]

2 hours ago, Mark Wilson said:

 

I was sussed about the board ever since Marty had a shutoff during firmware update and later on, the "Go home" and tilt back at low battery during his long distance ride.

I hoped it wouldn't impact on this last crucial test but I guess my lack of surprises just means I was prepared for it. 

I just hope the production version improvement with new board will actually be better. 

The sad thing is that, if Marty gets the pre-production S18, I don't think it will make it either. 

[Jpd]

47 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:

The V11 doesn't overheat at 79-degrees? I've never seen a wheel yet that was spec'd to overheat above 79-degrees. This is very interesting.

If the INMOTION app is accurate then it doesn’t. The app has read 179 and 180 degrees, at that time I stopped expecting it to overheat but it didn’t.

[Flying W]

@Marty Backe from the first time I saw the board enclosure and realized it didn't has 247 mosfets in it, let alone all passive cooling I had my doubts. Inmotion has always had wheels that over heat, they didn't fail though. The V10 kept over heating on the mt Wilson ride but didn't fail causing a walk out. I'm very surprised at this out come.

If inmotion provides a production board will you try OHH again? Jpd rides in some hilly terrain and the air temp has been high, I'm hopeful his holds together.

Sadly I'm sure your correct in that we will not know get to know what changes were made to the production board too. 

I was looking for an ACM2 back when I saw your videos on the MCM5 and traded the extra range for a wheel that climb. Now I want the range too, if the MCM5 had 15 more miles of range I would not even be looking for another wheel haha. 

I think the MSP is really the best choice for my preferred riding at this point....and that is not necessarily a bad thing 

 

[musk]

Does anybody have insight on how stressed hardware could continue to remain operational a high (damaging) temperature and still allow you to slow down to a stop?  The delayed self-destruction is puzzling.  You'd think this thing would've blown at it's most stressed, but it sounds like this thing blew while it was at rest or low use.

Edited August 14, 2020 by musk

[Coco66]

6 hours ago, eve said:

@Marty Backe Marty what is your time when it premieres? For your europe watchers its 00:00. I have to go to work.  Would really appreciate if you released 1 hour earlier next time, unless it mess up your US premiere time.

Interesting "European" point of view you have... Europe is spread along three different timezones... 

[Daley1]

@Marty Backe , given that u have killed 2 outta the 3 new releases this year,when is the S18 getting a shot at being this years champ.

ps ,surely there is a more dignified way of getting over the fence than having to be rescued by ur cherry-picker buddy?

I was ready to ring the Fire brigade/emt to come to the rescue

[Vagrant Sneaker]

I was in the app and it came up with a new firmware update. 1.1.62 for the V 11

1. Added function of "go home", which could be activated under low battery, with extra mileage of around 25Km.

2. Upgraded function of riding record, each trip will be recorded automatically.

3. Added the mute mode for fan. Check image for explanation.

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**UPDATED**

I didn't do it, but apparently, you are suppose to have the wheel on its side when you do the firmware update. I was wondering why it didn't turn on after the update on my first and second press of the power button. I had to move it from its stand position, to its upright position and than it turned on. Lucky me I guess. Last thing I need is a bricked V11 because of the firmware. Thanks to @Marty Backe from his "V11 Unboxing & First Ride" video. He went through something similar. Also, It doesn't mention it in the Instructions manuel. 

 

I upgraded it with my iPhone Pro Max. It took me about 4 tries for the firmware to download and update. I think the problem was that I had the phone a little far away from the V11 and the phones screen went to sleep. I decided to change the screen cut off time on my phone to "never". That helped download the update faster. I guess when the phone was turning off the screen, it disrupted the download. So, when anyone else updates their firmware, change the screen timeout on your device to "never" until its updates. And, leave the phone right on top of it or close to it. You have to restart the EUC after the download is complete.

Edited August 14, 2020 by Vagrant Sneaker

[Marty Backe]

1 hour ago, Vagrant Sneaker said:

I was in the app and it came up with a new firmware update. 1.1.62 for the V 11

1. Added function of "go home", which could be activated under low battery, with extra mileage of around 25Km.

2. Upgraded function of riding record, each trip will be recorded automatically.

3. Added the mute mode for fan. Check image for explanation.

TIP For Dowload

I upgraded it with my iPhone Pro Max. It took me about 4 tries for the firmware to download and update. I think the problem was that I had the phone a little far away from the V11 and the phones screen went to sleep. I decided to change the screen cut off time on my phone to "never". That helped download the update faster. I guess when the phone was turning off the screen, it disrupted the download. So, when anyone else updates their firmware, change the screen timeout on your device to "never" until its updates. And, leave the phone right on top of it or close to it. You have to restart the EUC after the download is complete.

Yeah, I updated my V11 to this version a couple of weeks ago. I didn't "test" all the features, but the Go Home didn't work for mine.

[Jpd]

v11 and two 16x  

32 miles round trip  and 4500Ft elevation gain 

Edited August 14, 2020 by Jpd