INMOTION V11 (2020)

[Chriull]

10 hours ago, Zopper said:

This. And the energy consumption grows with speed squared, 

Nice edit!

As it was right that power consumption grows with the cube of speed per time intervall, for range it's only square of speed!

[iode]

6 minutes ago, Jon Stern said:

Wow! This completely upends the conventional wisdom about these two wheels.

V11 is a street cruiser for commuters looking for a smoother ride
S18 is an awesome off-road wheel, that the V11 can't touch due to it higher un-sprung mass

Now,

V11 performs well everywhere

Everyone seemed certain that Chooch would come out strongly in favor of the S18. How many bets were just lost?

Definitely nail in the coffin review for the S18. Maybe all it has going for it now is looks and those very specific choppy bumps. He’s not even riding the production version with more torque and negative suspension chambers for even better responsiveness. Can you imagine? 

[FreeRide]

2 hours ago, AtlasP said:

Ignore that.

Here's the thing: non-intuitively, the '18' in an 18 x 3 tire is actually bigger than the '18' in a 18 x 2.5 tire, because the '18' in those tire size ratings isn't really the outer diameter nor the rim diameter but rather some arbitrary number somewhere in between, and hence the outer diameter is also affected by the tire width/overall girth of the part of the tire filled by the tube. (This is not specific/unique to EUCs and is an issue with bicycle tires more broadly.)

There are three possible ways to resolve this:

1. Ignore these differences and say that for example an 18 x 2.5 tire and 18 x 3 tire are both just "18 tires". This seems bad because it makes them sound the same general size/dimension when they're not.
2. Make up a bigger number than 18 when referring to an 18 x 3 to convey its larger size compared to an 18 x 2.5 tire (examples: that YouTuber or everyone at Gotway & Veteran apparently). This answer is worse because you're literally making things up, and worse what is being said/claimed actually explicitly contradicts the tire manufacturer and what's physically printed on the actual tire which is confusing as hell.
3. [The right answer] Everyone--the bulk of active forum enthusiasts here, major youtubers, etc--should only ever refer to tires by their full size rating "A x B" (or "B-A" for moto tires), and NEVER by only the single number 'A'. So an EUC may be an "18x3 wheel" or "18x2.5 wheel" etc, and never just an "18 wheel" or "16 wheel", etc, as the latter terms are misleading by omission and obfuscate the precise attribute (overall size/scale of the tire) which they're trying to convey. This is the way forward; do it people.

 

Or like the bicycle industry for the people who care, we could just start insisting on the current standards in measurements for rims and tires. It's at least a start.    

 

That means: ETRTO for tires, and they should also list TPI.  And metric rim sizes such as 25-559 for a 25mm outer-width 559mm diameter.  so when putting the tire on the rim you can make some educated calls if you have the two sizes.  It does not cover everything about a tire, but it's where sizing should start.  We could use the French system with designated widths, but that is too limited I think.

Anyway it is up to the manufacturers to just start using these consistently and it will make most sense for the others to follow.

 

 

Edited August 2, 2020 by FreeRide

[AtlasP]

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Edited August 2, 2020 by AtlasP

[onizukagto]

3 hours ago, iode said:

Not going to spoil too much, but we might have a lot of V11 converters soon

That's amazing. I didn't think he would be as biased as Kujiroll but during the announcement phase his video clearly rooted for KS and he had a big list of reasons to dislike the V11. 

It's a pretty sharp 180, guess the proof is in the pudding as they say 

[Jon Stern]

37 minutes ago, onizukagto said:

That's amazing. I didn't think he would be as biased as Kujiroll but during the announcement phase his video clearly rooted for KS and he had a big list of reasons to dislike the V11. 

It's a pretty sharp 180, guess the proof is in the pudding as they say 

My take is it's all down to the addition of the Kuji pads. Kuji should re-test the V11 with them.

[onizukagto]

1 hour ago, Jon Stern said:

My take is it's all down to the addition of the Kuji pads. Kuji should re-test the V11 with them.

Don't you mean "CHOOCH PAD" ?

 

[VizioN-Scope]

Livestreaming now

 

[Inmotion Global]

On 8/2/2020 at 2:59 AM, Jj Luo said:

For those who have been riding the production v11, how do you feel about the pedal height? Did you get used to it? From the videos, it still looks incredibly high.

For me, V11 as the commuting wheel, I have ridden around 125 miles. At the very beginning, I feel that the pedal height is extremely high due to my previous experience on V8F. After 125 miles of riding, the akward feeling starts vanish. And it feels really good with such ground clearance especially when you are taking a hard turn or going down a curb.

[Finn Bjerke]

https://ecodrift.ru/2020/07/23/inmotion-v11-razbiraem-ch-1/

 

 

A DEEP look inside ... notice vulnarable fan too open for water and dirt ...

[Themarsman]

Just a heads up for the people who have had problems taking off the upper screws on the saddle.

Inmotion provides an Allen wrench which fits the screws on the bottom but is the wrong size for the upper screws.  This is the reason they are getting stripped so easily, it is too small for the top screws.  It seems the top screws are 1/8" and not Metric.  With that size Allen wrench they come out perfect and no longer strip.

[VizioN-Scope]

 

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Ive got a few $$ freed up and now this has my interest. Im really jaded about the build quality of these things. Is anyone seeing in stupid issues like missing screws, bad batteries, broken plastics? I want to enjoy a suspension wheel so badly, as I know its the future. But, I am not trying to be disappointed over and over again. I truly am shocked that the v11 is getting such great reviews in compare to the s18. Is the power of the v11 easy to tap into? The power of the s18 seemed all too similar to their 18L. Im a gluton for punishment, so its not impossible that I may toss down on this one. I guess Ill need to read up on the last few pages here to see what REAL issues are happening. I guess its water rating is a little inflated so far?

[Finn Bjerke]

[Mr Dilkington]

7 hours ago, iode said:

Definitely nail in the coffin review for the S18. Maybe all it has going for it now is looks and those very specific choppy bumps. He’s not even riding the production version with more torque and negative suspension chambers for even better responsiveness. Can you imagine? 

As a Onewheel rider getting into EUC, this is the video that confirmed my decision. I have them both on pre-order, and now I’ll be canceling the S18.

[mrelwood]

7 hours ago, iode said:

Not going to spoil too much, but we might have a lot of V11 converters soon

But... but... unsprung weight?!?! 

Here we go.

[VizioN-Scope]

 

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34 minutes ago, mrelwood said:

But... but... unsprung weight?!?! 

Here we go.

still makes sense.  S18 performed better for multiple bumps. The v11 tho, probably rides a lot smoother or floaty in general, due to its unsprung weight. Kind of like a twitchy supercar vs a comfy caddy cruiser?  I can say the s18 suspension was VERY responsive at least. Not that its a better wheel, it just falls in line with what I expected the suspension to do. I bet the v11 feels much more 'plush'.

[UniVehje]

2 hours ago, ShanesPlanet said:

Im really jaded about the build quality of these things.

Then Inmotion is your brand! But you should definitely avoid any first or second batches in the future. 

So far there have been some quality issues reported on the V11, but surprisingly few for a first production run. Looks like they’ve all been addressed by Inmotion already. The latest issue was a bearing that wasn’t sealed, I heard they will use a better one in next batches. Some screws were bad quality and the torque wrenches at the production line were improperly adjusted or the workers were not educated to use them. If you order now, you will probably get a wheel earliest from the fourth or fifth batches anyway. They had thousands of preorders. 

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25 minutes ago, UniVehje said:

Then Inmotion is your brand! But you should definitely avoid any first or second batches in the future. 

So far there have been some quality issues reported on the V11, but surprisingly few for a first production run. Looks like they’ve all been addressed by Inmotion already. The latest issue was a bearing that wasn’t sealed, I heard they will use a better one in next batches. Some screws were bad quality and the torque wrenches at the production line were improperly adjusted or the workers were not educated to use them. If you order now, you will probably get a wheel earliest from the fourth or fifth batches anyway. They had thousands of preorders. 

I'm still letting my preorder for a veteran stick for now, but I am a little shy about 1st batches right now. Suspensions ARE a game changer. If it can get to the point that we needn't compromise in compare to original formats, yet gain suspension, its a no brainer. I was tempted for a fleeting moment, to put a preorder in for the v11. I will keep in on my radar, but i think its too late in the summer and getting a suspension wheel for winter, would kind of take some of the joy from it. I still think that KS has the better general suspension geometry idea, but I also think that it boils down to implementation and quality. I know that these companies better not slack off this fall and winter. They better NOT get complacent with these original designs. If they keep reinvesting in this format and get something GOOD and RELIABLE ready for next spring, they will sell like hot cakes.  I dont think its unreasonable to see them priced 20%+ MORE than the equivalent non-suspension form. I would hate to see a great product go to ruin, as the penny pinchers start to whittle away at material and production costs. Educate these builders, hold them to high standards, pay them accordingly, and pass that cost on to the customer. These are NOT toys and I think someone needs step up to the plate and produce quality products that completely change the way some of us think about 'chinese quality'. I know they can build it right, we just need it to be a good financial decision on their part, to do so. Once people warm to the comfort of a suspension wheel, I just don't see them bitching that it may cost more to have it. And for the love of god, get some firmware that is sensitive enough that we can tap into the power you are investing in these things. I shouldnt have to lean like a fool, to get me some pull. Maybe i need just eat more steak?

Edited August 3, 2020 by ShanesPlanet

[Unventor]

3 hours ago, ShanesPlanet said:

I guess Ill need to read up on the last few pages here to see what REAL issues are happening. I guess its water rating is a little inflated so far?

Well if you saw the weather that @Duf rode in then I think it did pretty good in general. And we don't k ow if this is just 1 unit or a general quality control of the bearing. Regardless Inmotion decided to address it so there show not be any doubt in future. 

As for the screws on the saddle issue it could have been done right but supplier gave poor parts. It can happed to any manufactor. But it should have been spotted in quality control inspections. This too is addressed. 

It is always easy to say I told you so. But I think people looked too much at looks and all the spun and unspun suspension part. I just didn't find it sexy as other people think. I only see trouble with their open design.

Speaking of design I hope we get a change to how to change tire on the V11. I could see people modding the motor cable to make motor easier to disconnect. 

Now the hard part here is really to judge if it is a successful first 1st launch. We don't know how many until truly got shipped out. But we do know Inmotion address things fast. I know somethings only show up after time. But I do think Inmotion are pretty clear from all major issues due to how they addressed the few things that shoved up so far. 

Only the bearing is a major problem but it is very hard to tell 1 vs many will ever encounter this. 

[stephen]

Had the chance to ride the s18 yesterday and my conclusion is I LOVE SUSPENSION the s18 isn't the wheel for me but i did get the feel of suspension,, it was great,, the V11 suspension is probably the right suspension, i think it will be a nicer smoother ride for my terrains  ( general riding and pot holes tree roots and bumpy tracks etc)  and I'll still have the range of any 1600wh gotway,

I don't go around jumping like Zebedee or want a wheel just for a track and watch my power after 50%  which for me would be 10 miles so the s18 is out of the equation

Really looking forward to the V11 it's getting some great reviews and surprising alot of reviewers is the overall package for me👍

[onizukagto]

5 hours ago, Finn Bjerke said:

https://ecodrift.ru/2020/07/23/inmotion-v11-razbiraem-ch-1/

 

 

A DEEP look inside ... notice vulnarable fan too open for water and dirt ...

 

I think waterproofing is fine.

 

I remember seeing avideo of Inmotion themselves spraying the V11 until dripping wet and it rolled off fine. Unfortunately i just combed this thread and i can't for the life of me find the link to that video.

If you want opinion on the water proofing, you can watch EVX video:

 

I think the points of the fan intake, is a valid place for water to get int here, but the circuit board housing has a beefy gasket ans the electronic board itself does have conformal coating to seal it (water resistant)  you can see it in the Inmotion factory tour video.

The fan is waterproof and only if you are intentionally spraying water (like in the video above) at that area, you might get water into it, but doing so is actually above the IP55 rating.
(There is  big gap between IP55 and IP56).

As for example of "water damage" only Duf experience that, which was a mechanical problem, not electronic.

Edited August 3, 2020 by onizukagto
grammar

[mrelwood]

Worth remembering that Duf left the wheel bath in rainwater for a week for the bearings to go bad. And it’s the only V11 unit that has a reported an issue with the bearings. Or anything water related really. I think Inmotion changing the bearings because of this is almost an overreaction. The Z bearings have after all been used in some other EUCs as well. IM truly seems to be aiming for perfection with this one.

8 hours ago, ShanesPlanet said:

I shouldnt have to lean like a fool, to get me some pull

You are already familiar with the 18L. Of the wheels I’ve tried, KS fw 2.x requires the least amount of effort to accelerate. I’m afraid you will never find a wheel that accelerate with less effort than that. 18” is 18”, nothing more can be done to overcome that. If you need peppier acceleration, your only choice is a smaller tire diameter.

[stephen]

28 minutes ago, mrelwood said:

Worth remembering that Duf left the wheel bath in rainwater for a week for the bearings to go bad. And it’s the only V11 unit that has a reported an issue with the bearings. Or anything water related really. I think Inmotion changing the bearings because of this is almost an overreaction. The Z bearings have after all been used in some other EUCs as well. IM truly seems to be aiming for perfection with this one.

You are already familiar with the 18L. Of the wheels I’ve tried, KS fw 2.x requires the least amount of effort to accelerate. I’m afraid you will never find a wheel that accelerate with less effort than that. 18” is 18”, nothing more can be done to overcome that. If you need peppier acceleration, your only choice is a smaller tire diameter.

Kingsong 16x didn't take much effort is a brill wheel for Shane 👍 saying that V11 was compared to a 16x torque and msx speed maybe that might be a good option