INMOTION V11 (2020)

[jmsjms]

52 minutes ago, GoGeorgeGo said:

...My advise, ALWAY have one toe area pressing down on the wheel. Whether its your ledt or right or you switch them like i do, using the front of your foot to "gas" the pedals is how you stop wobbles. Keeping a constant pressure forward with one foot and backwards with the other, like your pressing the pedals down into the ground is a way to think about it. Its all in your feet and ankles. Weak ankles will wobble

@jmsjms

Interesting. Haven't heard of that one. You mean the BIG toe on both feet, right? Otherwise the balance would be offset when one side presses differently than the other (assuming that we're going straight, not turning).... But on the other hand, how can I press down when on both sides my toes and shoes are sticking outside of the pedals about 2 inches ahead of the pedals.

Edited April 17, 2021 by jmsjms

[jmsjms]

57 minutes ago, GoGeorgeGo said:

I can say owning both wheels (with the caveat that i only have 50-60 miles on the exn) that the v11 is much better balanced and does not wobble at all in straight line speeds. The suspension eats bumps that may cause oscillations and the batteries are balanced on both sides of the wheel. The EXN has 2 packs on one side and only one on the other and losses ground contact more often which can cause oscillations.  The v11 does have slightly more wobble in high speed cornering though the exn corners pretty well, likely due to the lower pedal height....

@jmsjms

Hmm. I don't mean to divert the discussion of this thread -- which is about the V11 -- but I am surprised to hear that. I guess I've been listening too much to Chooch Tech's confessionals on his YouTube channel. They sound so convincing.... On the other hand, I don't know what a wobble feels like on cornering, as I've never experienced it... yet, I've also haven't taken sharp cuts at high speeds either. "Cornering" is turning, right?

Edited April 17, 2021 by jmsjms

[GoGeorgeGo]

19 minutes ago, jmsjms said:

Interesting. Haven't heard of that one. You mean the BIG toe on both feet, right? Otherwise the balance would be offset when one side presses differently than the other (assuming that we're going straight, not turning).... But on the other hand, how can I press down when on both sides my toes and shoes are sticking outside of the pedals about 2 inches ahead of the pedals.

Nope, 1 foot not both. You dont want all your weight out front on both pedals . More pressure on one side or the other. You need to become one with the wheel, you should be able to glide on one leg, move your feet around , ride in different stances. If your worried about equal pressures on both side then your not nearly fluid enough yet. Practice some slow speed maneuvering like slaloms and sharp 360 degree turns and gliding on one leg. 

 

14 minutes ago, jmsjms said:

Hmm. I don't mean to divert the discussion of this thread -- which is about the V11 -- but I am surprised to hear that. I guess I've been listening too much to Chooch Tech's confessionals on his YouTube channel. They sound so convincing.... On the other hand, I don't know what a wobble feels like on cornering, as I've never experienced it... yet, I've also haven't taken sharp cuts at high speeds either. "Cornering" is turning, right?

Yes when i say cornering i mean turning, but when you are turning at 25+ mph around a corner its not really turning. Turning implies a right angle or slower speed, cornering implies a high speed more gradual turn like as if your racing . Think when you drive a car, to turn right you slow down almost to a stop, but to come around a corner you only slow down a little bit 

Edited April 17, 2021 by GoGeorgeGo

[mrelwood]

7 hours ago, jmsjms said:

And in addition, it seems sluggish on the hard braking at fast speed; and by that I mean, it doesn't stop right away which was what I had expected....

All 18” wheels are a bit slow to accelerate and brake. Smaller wheels react to a smaller amount of input, which is what we call being more “zippy”.

 Ways to brake faster:

- Make sure that your foot position is optimal. Whether you use symmetrical or offset foot positioning, if your ability to brake is noticeably worse than your ability to accelerate (no matter what the actual reason is), you are probably standing too far to the front.

- Pads. They can help you in keeping stability under fast braking, allowing a larger lean. I have angled DIY foam blocks just behind my calves when I stand straight. When braking, the pads force me to bend my knees, and as they support my leg, they prevent me from reaching the edge of my balance.

- Riding mode. You are probably using a hard pedal sensitivity setting. Just as a test, set it much lower. Like half of what you are currently using. Then try to brake fast. You’ll learn that it helps a lot. The new firmware 1.2.22 also brought nice improvements to both accelerating and braking, without sacrificing a solid ride feel.

 

7 hours ago, jmsjms said:

Chooch tech says

... his opinions. They don’t mean that the EX.N would be even an improvement for you.

6 hours ago, jmsjms said:

I will wait for more reviews on the EX.N.

For a review to be useful to you, you must either have an identical riding technique and requirements than the reviewer, or you must understand how exactly do they differ. Hunting for praise on the braking capabilities doesn’t sound like it would get you to where you want to be, a fast stopper on a large EUC.

If you can’t stop fast with the V11, you won’t be stopping fast on any other large wheel either. After all, all that any EUC does is to react to your balance.

[Denny Paul]

4 hours ago, GoGeorgeGo said:

The v11 does have slightly more wobble in high speed cornering though the exn corners pretty well, likely due to the lower pedal height. 

@jmsjms

I think this is a prime example of you have to try things out for yourself, and take all advice with a grain of salt.

it’s not the wheel that wobbles, it’s rider input.

I don’t wobble on high speed v11 corners cause I lean in. If you’re off balance the wheel will wobble. Nearly all new riders who are trying to do faster turns are standing completely upright, putting their weight waaaay too far to the outside. If you get your weight to the inside, where it should be, it won’t wobble. Doesn’t matter v11 or whatever.

I think what you meant @GoGeorgeGo was that the v11 is more prone to it cause its sits up higher. This is true. But it’s also very possible to never wobble on the v11 with good technique. During braking, during cornering, during whatever. Wobbles are all technique. A balance of when to muscle the wheel around, or when to ride completely loose. 

[Zopper]

7 hours ago, jmsjms said:

Interesting. Haven't heard of that one. You mean the BIG toe on both feet, right? Otherwise the balance would be offset when one side presses differently than the other (assuming that we're going straight, not turning).... But on the other hand, how can I press down when on both sides my toes and shoes are sticking outside of the pedals about 2 inches ahead of the pedals.

Asymmetric (kinda skateboard-like) stance is nice for some cases - like when you are frequently accelerating and braking. Or when you might need to brake fast. One leg in front, one in the back. Sometimes I literally have a half of my sole overhang in the front while the other foot has the heel mostly off the pedal. You can see it as hovering your leg over the brake pedal “just in case”.

And it seems that the small asymmetry helps to prevent wobbles. 

[Wise Rides]

Speaking of wobbles, I recently received my new V11 and noticed that the tire has a wobble.  The rim looks strait, but the tire wobbles (visual check by lifting the wheel off the ground and observing when free spins).  It becomes an issue when I exceed 18mph and I get wobbles when I try to go faster.  

Any advice on how to fix this issue?

[mrelwood]

31 minutes ago, Wise Rides said:

Speaking of wobbles, I recently received my new V11 and noticed that the tire has a wobble.  The rim looks strait, but the tire wobbles (visual check by lifting the wheel off the ground and observing when free spins).  It becomes an issue when I exceed 18mph and I get wobbles when I try to go faster.  

Any advice on how to fix this issue?

This is common on EUCs, and you should find a lot of tips by searching for “reseating the tire”.

Although, you didn’t mention how long you’ve been riding for, or whether the V11 is your first wheel. While a small unevenness at the tire is very common, one bad enough to actually cause wobbles is not. While reseating the tire is definitely something you should try, it is possible that it won’t get rid of the riding wobbles of the cause is the human element.

[Wise Rides]

Thank you for the reply.  Its my first wheel and i only have 30 miles on it (~50km).  I noticed the tire issue early on but I've been riding  below 20 mph and it never affected the ride. Now that I've built up some skills and confidence I'd like to go a little faster.  I noticed little wobbles and it gave me concern.  I figured the tire is the culprit because I don't feel the tendency to wobble at lower speeds.  Interestingly, I don't feel it on dirt roads but I also don't go as fast as on paved roads.

I'll try deflating the tire and see if I can get it reseated more true.  A little variance is to be expected, but my wheel seems to have a little too much (in my opinion).

Edited April 19, 2021 by Wise Rides

[mrelwood]

1 hour ago, Wise Rides said:

Thank you for the reply.  Its my first wheel and i only have 30 miles on it (~50km).

...

Now that I've built up some skills and confidence I'd like to go a little faster.

It really is great that you too have found this marvelous lifestyle! But for you to be truly worthy of your nickname, some additional perspective might be warranted. 50km is a single day’s ride for a more experienced rider. Any actual skills and deserved confidence takes 10 times as much. You are very much at the first steps for a long while still.

Be sure to increase your speed with small steps only, as they all bring several new things to learn: How the wheel handles and turns at that speed, how it stops, how long it takes to stop, and how to control the wobbles during accelerating and braking. All these are crucial skills you need to master before taking on more speed! Since you are fighting the wobbles atm, you are not yet ready. Whether the reason is in the tire or not.

You might also want to search for the numerous discussions about “beginner wobbles” as well.

[Flying W]

@Wise Rides wheels are odd creatures, even after having a decent amount of miles just switching wheels, or getting a different wheel will have wobbles come back in the body adjusts to it. Loads of unconscious small muscle movements happen on a wheel to keep everything going where you tell it too. 

My first wheel was a 16s, I still have it. I out about 4k miles on it and then bought an mcm5. I thought I made a mistake, couldn't ride it over about 18 to 20mph without the wobbles starting. After about 500miles I could throw it around like it was a part of me. 

After about 3300 miles on the mcm5 and another 1k miles on the 16s I bought an RS HT. Going from a 16in with a skinny tire, to a 14in with a skinny tire getting on the RS felt really weird. Being a larger wheel I could ride it up to about 25mph but then the wobbles would start. I was also getting pretty bad wobbles when breaking hard in a straight line, a curving was the only way to prevent it.

I have about 800mi on the RS now. I can ride it as fast as I want, but sometimes I still get breaking wobbles. Jumping from a 14 to an 18in with a 3in wide tire has had a larger acclimation period than 16 to 14 but for the most part it's a part of me. I know the breaking wobbles that sometimes happen will fade with more time.

Reseat the tire as best ya can but like @mrelwood said, the wobbles may still persist. 30 miles isn't long enough for the odd ball muscles we almost never use to work subconsciously. Your balance and general ability to probably ride a lot of things well has outpaced your muscles at the moment 

[Wise Rides]

Thanks again for the input.  The nickname is from my age, not necessarily my experience on the wheel ;-) 

So far, most of the miles have been "parking lot" speed doing the tight turns, accelerating, stopping, and even trying to stay on at a dead stop.  It's only on long stretches of open road or trail that I get to get the speed up.  Otherwise, I'm working on my technical riding. 

I remember when I first learned how to ride a motorcycle we drove around a parking lot for hours practicing turning, stopping, and maneuvering around obstacles.  I'm sort of taking the same approach.  Get the core skills down before adding the speed.

[Cumulus Libre]

After more then 2 years on my KS18L which I loved very much, I bought a V11 over the weekend ( I still own a V10f). 

I am still figuring out a lot of things just to find that sweet spot for me but my initial thoughts are smooth, and I love it (I test ride both the S18 and  v11 on an afternoon together) . 

I did FW upgrade through the InMotion app yesterday, so it is on the latest firmware, went for a long drive and when I came back I charged my wheel for the first time. 

After some time I wanted to verify the battery level and I wanted to connect this through the app, it didn't work, although I got a sound saying it was connected. 

I put the wheel out and back on, disconnected it from charging but nothing helped to connect back to the wheel via the app. The bluetooth blue icon on the V11 was always there. So tried with Wheellog and EUC world , they simply weren't discovering my V11, they did discover the tv and audio etc.. I tried another phone, same result.

I removed InMotion to reinstall it on my phone,.. 

But then I read somewhere on the forum that I have to put the V11 out for more then 30 sec's, I did this and then the blue icon dissapeared and EUC world was connecting again. So issue resolved . 

However , for some reason I can't find back the inmotion app back anymore in the play store, nor with another phone, nor is it online if you look via a internet site via a laptop, it seems like it has disappeared? This means I can't change the setting of my wheel at this point,... Does anybody now what is going on? 

I search on Inmotion or inmotion app --> I only get an app from a banc/finance.. 

thx in advance, 

cheers 

CL

 

PS: I should change my avatar one of these days  

 

[Zopper]

3 minutes ago, Cumulus Libre said:

After some time I wanted to verify the battery level and I wanted to connect this through the app, it didn't work, although I got a sound saying it was connected. 

I put the wheel out and back on, disconnected it from charging but nothing helped to connect back to the wheel via the app. The bluetooth blue icon on the V11 was always there. So tried with Wheellog and EUC world , they simply weren't discovering my V11, they did discover the tv and audio etc.. I tried another phone, same result.

Happened to me to. Full power off (30sec push) was what I wanted to suggest you, but I see you already resolved that. :-)

5 minutes ago, Cumulus Libre said:

However , for some reason I can't find back the inmotion app back anymore in the play store, nor with another phone, nor is it online if you look via a internet site via a laptop, it seems like it has disappeared? This means I can't change the setting of my wheel at this point,... Does anybody now what is going on? 

No one knows for sure, but most likely, they app didn't conform to some Google Play Store updates and got removed. It will re-appear eventually, but in the meanwhile, download it from somewhere. Some links can be found on Inmotion Telegram channel or maybe somewhere on this forum.

 

 

[Cumulus Libre]

6 minutes ago, Zopper said:

Happened to me to. Full power off (30sec push) was what I wanted to suggest you, but I see you already resolved that. :-)

No one knows for sure, but most likely, they app didn't conform to some Google Play Store updates and got removed. It will re-appear eventually, but in the meanwhile, download it from somewhere. Some links can be found on Inmotion Telegram channel or maybe somewhere on this forum.

 

 

I was on that group until I got fed up with all the bashing and overload of nonsense messages, and/or was that on the KS group , can't really remember but it wasn't all that good vibe at the time...  , but I'll give it a go again.. 

[Cumulus Libre]

hmmm ,  the inmotion telegram group has been removed so it seems? I can't find it back anymore? that's also mentioned in the telegram fix post on the forum here.. I do find unofficial inmotion telegram groups but they are in russian ... and I do speak some other languages however no russian..

[Zopper]

6 minutes ago, Cumulus Libre said:

hmmm ,  the inmotion telegram group has been removed so it seems? I can't find it back anymore? that's also mentioned in the telegram fix post on the forum here.. I do find unofficial inmotion telegram groups but they are in russian ... and I do speak some other languages however no russian..

Hmm, it looks that after Liam left IM, they are in kinda limbo state with regards to community reach.  The channel still works, but I don't know how to share an invite with the link defunct.

Anyway, you can download the app directly from IM website: https://www.inmotionworld.com/app

Edit: the channel can be found if you search for it in Telegram: Inmotion Official Electric Unicycle Group

Edited April 29, 2021 by Zopper

[Cumulus Libre]

hey Zopper,

thx for your support, the link or the download from the IM website didn't work for me... 

However I did found a workaround, their is a QR code on the V11 carton box where it is shipped in, which directly leads you to a download from IM, android tries you to prevent it from downloading and installing but it's easy to dodge that... 

The app is on my phone and working as a charm, hm I wonder if it will stay that way  , but let's be positive  

thx for helping out !

  

[RoCan]

Hi all, finally ordered a V11. Just want to ask if anyone knows how to tell if the better bearings have been used without taking it apart. Ie. Does it have a serial number that can be matched to a batch? And also, what other improvements should the newest batch have compared to the first batch? Does Inmotion post this info anywhere? Thanks 😊 

 

 

[UniVehje]

8 hours ago, RoCan said:

Hi all, finally ordered a V11. Just want to ask if anyone knows how to tell if the better bearings have been used without taking it apart. Ie. Does it have a serial number that can be matched to a batch? And also, what other improvements should the newest batch have compared to the first batch? Does Inmotion post this info anywhere? Thanks 😊 

 

 

Unfortunately there is still no clear information on how the problem is fixed. It probably isn’t fixed completely. People are still having bearing problems. They also seem to have stopped covering it as a warranty issue. At least there was some discussion about it on the Telegram chat. I’ve been waiting for new bearings to be shipped for more than a month now. They first told me they will send new ones but later have stopped answering my emails. I’m forced to just buy them on my own. 
Inmotion used to post info and interact with riders here but something happened and they don’t do it anymore. 

[stephen]

4 hours ago, UniVehje said:

Unfortunately there is still no clear information on how the problem is fixed. It probably isn’t fixed completely. People are still having bearing problems. They also seem to have stopped covering it as a warranty issue. At least there was some discussion about it on the Telegram chat. I’ve been waiting for new bearings to be shipped for more than a month now. They first told me they will send new ones but later have stopped answering my emails. I’m forced to just buy them on my own. 
Inmotion used to post info and interact with riders here but something happened and they don’t do it anymore. 

Surley it's covered warranty from your seller

[UniVehje]

13 minutes ago, stephen said:

Surley it's covered warranty from your seller

I bought directly from InMotion. 

[Unventor]

Apparently some things are going on inside Inmotion.  I have not been able to get much details. But what is very clear communication with Inmotion at moment is not ideal on any level. 

I hope this is a transition Inmotion is going though, until they realise it is better to have constructive talks with the rider community.

From what I have been able to gather the replacement of Liam is not yet in place. This is the communication gab I hoped we could avoid, but hopes often don't turn into reality.

To get any info on the shipping/handling delays of my new ordered (my 2nd) V11 has proven very difficult. 

[jmsjms]

For those who have experienced violent shaking on fast braking, try the following: When you have to suddenly stop and you lean backward, make sure that when you are leaning backward, your toes are not pressing on the pedals forward, but instead your heels are pressing the pedals also backward.... I encountered a violent shaking on fast braking recently, but I think what I had done wrong is that while I had leaned backward and I had bent my knees the toes kept pressing the wheel forward. So, now when I have to suddenly decelerate, as I lean backward I also make sure that my heels are pressing backward too.

[WaveCut]

On 5/7/2021 at 3:43 PM, jmsjms said:

For those who have experienced violent shaking on fast braking, try the following: When you have to suddenly stop and you lean backward, make sure that when you are leaning backward, your toes are not pressing on the pedals forward, but instead your heels are pressing the pedals also backward.... I encountered a violent shaking on fast braking recently, but I think what I had done wrong is that while I had leaned backward and I had bent my knees the toes kept pressing the wheel forward. So, now when I have to suddenly decelerate, as I lean backward I also make sure that my heels are pressing backward too.

Do you have any sort of extra pass or its clean?