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I think it's time for a own thread about all mods to make the 16X even more better.  I will start with a picture dokumentation.    1. Dust and dirt inside housing.  After 25km offro

Update after 1200 km: The modifications were a good success. After 1200 km it looks better inside now than before after 20 km (mostly offroad).   Dust and Dirt Improvement V.

Nice mods  But boy, I'm exhausted after just reading about all that you did. People complain about having to fix Gotway inadequacies, but the 16X takes it to a whole new level. A+ for superior Kin

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8 hours ago, Slashebeest said:

Damn, fixable?

What was your psi ?

I ride at 21/22 psi as 90 % off road

Fixable I think so,well i hope so, will sort out at weekend 

What make it noticeable is tire bulges out 

 

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1 hour ago, Gaz Bon said:

I ride at 21/22 psi as 90 % off road

Fixable I think so,well i hope so, will sort out at weekend 

What make it noticeable is tire bulges out 

 

Wow. I never ride below 35-psi, and that's really low for me. Particularly when riding off-road, I avoid low pressures because of the abuse the tire/wheel can go through.

But, as long as you understand the risks, ride at whatever pressure works for you :thumbup:

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13 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:

Wow. I never ride below 35-psi, and that's really low for me. Particularly when riding off-road, I avoid low pressures because of the abuse the tire/wheel can go through.

But, as long as you understand the risks, ride at whatever pressure works for you :thumbup:

Been playing with psi on my MSX 26 psi rider weight 160 lbs.  Very sweet ride off road...

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9 hours ago, Gaz Bon said:

I ride at 21/22 psi as 90 % off road

I ride the same pressure and also at least 90% offroad. My weight is 73 naked, what is your weight? 

Where did the damage come from? What was in the way, how high and how fast were you?

8 hours ago, Marty Backe said:

Wow. I never ride below 35-psi, and that's really low for me. Particularly when riding off-road, I avoid low pressures because of the abuse the tire/wheel can go through

Wow, you weigh as much as I do, how do you handle the high air pressure? I started with 35 PSI and the 16X jumped over roots and stones like a bouncing ball as soon as you got a little faster. 

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1 hour ago, Mark Lee said:

Been playing with psi on my MSX 26 psi rider weight 160 lbs.  Very sweet ride off road...

 

38 minutes ago, buell47 said:

I ride the same pressure and also at least 90% offroad. My weight is 73 naked, what is your weight? 

Where did the damage come from? What was in the way, how high and how fast were you?

Wow, you weigh as much as I do, how do you handle the high air pressure? I started with 35 PSI and the 16X jumped over roots and stones like a bouncing ball as soon as you got a little faster. 

I totally agree that lower pressures feel great. But you agree that you run the risk of damaging your ride and/or getting snakebite flats.

Most of my trail riding would equate to a many mile walk (with wheel) if I had a failure on a trail. So I run with higher pressures.

Maybe because I've been riding this way for years that it truly doesn't bother me. I have a very enjoyable time riding around at 40 to 45 psi.

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1 hour ago, buell47 said:

what is your weight

I'm 68Kgs suited and booted

Just tried the road less travelled 

1 hour ago, buell47 said:

What was in the way, how high and how fast were you?

It was a speed issue maybe 35-40kph with a kinda semi submerged boulder almost threw me off 

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8 hours ago, Rehab1 said:

This is the first major modification to my KS16X (aside from the KISS mask).

The impetus behind the mod began yesterday when I was out riding with my wife. I saw this huge hill at a park with a warning sign ‘Caution Steep Hill’. No way was I going to pass up this opportunity. 

 

Now my wife is new to taking footage so unfortunately she missed the whole event of me ascending and descending the hill. I am going back again today to conquer it again. This time I will record it.

In the meantime I realized just how much my legs were slipping on the thin, non friction side pads. @Marty Backe stated the same difficulties during his recent video.

I decided to custom fabricate some new side pads using a grippy rubber material I had laying around my facility (not even sure where it came from). I then glued the material over a tapered wedge I fabricated out of 1/2” low density crepe foam.

After the 2 pieces of material were dry I then secured them to the original side pads using the same glueing process. 

 

 

 

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They feel awesome riding on level surfaces. I’ll test them tonight on the park’s  hill. 

Wow, those pads look fantastic :cheers:  I need to work on my foam fabrications skills (currently non-existent) because I'll need something like this for mine.

That mudguard is so classic :thumbup:

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6 hours ago, Marty Backe said:

Wow, those pads look fantastic :cheers:  I need to work on my foam fabrications skills (currently non-existent) because I'll need something like this for mine.

That mudguard is so classic :thumbup:

Thanks!  The downside is you have to scuff up the OEM pads prior to gluing on the new set. If it doesn’t work like I am anticipating then I’ll have to replace the factory pads. I should know more tonight as the weather was not favorable last night. 

Regarding the fabrication it’s not that difficult if you have a drum sander for grinding and tapering the foam? What type of machine did you use to shape your past wood projects?  

I am still trying to find the source for the dimpled foam.

3 hours ago, buell47 said:

Yes, I think he will win the "dust inside housing" challenge with these nice mod. :efee612b4b:

:laughbounce2:  

The mask is held on with Velcro so it easily detaches. :)

 

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On 9/24/2019 at 3:02 AM, Rehab1 said:

Thanks!  The downside is you have to scuff up the OEM pads prior to gluing on the new set. If it doesn’t work like I am anticipating then I’ll have to replace the factory pads. I should know more tonight as the weather was not favorable last night. 

Regarding the fabrication it’s not that difficult if you have a drum sander for grinding and tapering the foam? What type of machine did you use to shape your past wood projects?  

I am still trying to find the source for the dimpled foam.

 

 

@Rehab1 Thanks. I really like the pads you made. Particularly the idea of the wedge. Now that's an easy improvement all the manufacturers could integrate into their pads. I think I may have to make something like yours for riding comfort. I also appreciate your pointing out the difficulty in gluing to the OEM pads. I'm thinking it might be easier for me to make a set that is thicker, remove the OEM pads, and glue directly to the shell. Unfortunately I don't have a drum sander (or fabrication skills) so I probably won't be able to get the clean finish you achieved.

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8 hours ago, Circuitmage said:

@Rehab1   Lol. Kiss mask on the EUC. Nice. How did you mount that?

 

I had a nightmare that I drilled a bunch of holes and used pop rivets... :cry2:  Ambien produces some horrible dreams! I actually used velcro so I could easily remove the mask and clean Mr. Simmons face. :)

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8 hours ago, Harvey Pooka said:

@Rehab1 Thanks. I really like the pads you made. Particularly the idea of the wedge. Now that's an easy improvement all the manufacturers could integrate into their pads.

I’m glad you liked them. I just need to locate some more hills to fully utilize them. 
 

8 hours ago, Harvey Pooka said:

 I also appreciate your pointing out the difficulty in gluing to the OEM pads. I'm thinking it might be easier for me to make a set that is thicker, remove the OEM pads, and glue directly to the shell. Unfortunately I don't have a drum sander (or fabrication skills) so I probably won't be able to get the clean finish you achieved.

Once I roughened up the OEM pads with sandpaper the contact adhesive adhered well. 

I used soft ‘Cloud’ type crepe for my wedges which contoured nicely to the front of my legs when gripped. Crepe comes in many different densities- soft to firm.  Mine was a 35-40 durometer (soft) and was 1” thick before grinding. Here is one source:

http://www.soletech.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=59_61&product_id=61

You could rent a belt sander and anchor it in a vise for a good support. Just wear gloves and goggles. Good luck!

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