Why the NEED to Lecture Gearless stranger on an EUC?

[ir_fuel]

Just now, Patton250 said:

 I’m quite confident it would not end well if I gave you my opinion on European socialism. 

I'm quite confident it will, as everyone has the right to have and state an opinion. As long as the discussion remains civilised you can say whatever you want about what in your eyes must be a bunch of fools who willingly pay nearly 70% of what they earn to the government, directly or indirectly (21% VAT on all purchases, anyone?), and open the doors to anyone that's looking for asylum, to put things a bit extreme  . We will agree on things and disagree on others. 

[CptSalami]

I'm not going to voice my opinion on any political topics. 

Still I'll just chime in and say that on both my 30km/h+ crashes my head is the only thing not to have touched the ground. I wear a light open face helmet. 

[Patton250]

2 hours ago, CptSalami said:

I'm not going to voice my opinion on any political topics. 

Still I'll just chime in and say that on both my 30km/h+ crashes my head is the only thing not to have touched the ground. I wear a light open face helmet. 

 In the 1980s I got into a couple of car accidents while not wearing a seatbelt. I didn’t die or get injured. 

[CptSalami]

That comparison is only fair if I first had stated something like "It's impossible to have any accident in a car, while not using a seatbelt without getting seriously injured or dying" 

The reason for my comment in the first place was because of your claim how it was near impossible to NOT damage your head in a fall like that.
You might also have noticed how I wrote that despite this I DO in fact wear a helmet? 

Maybe we can just agree that safety gear in most cases is a good thing?

Edited August 12, 2019 by CptSalami

[Patton250]

12 minutes ago, CptSalami said:

That comparison is only fair if I first had stated something like "It's impossible to have any accident in a car, while not using a seatbelt without getting seriously injured or dying" 

The reason for my comment in the first place was because of your claim how it was near impossible to NOT damage your head in a fall like that.
You might also have noticed how I wrote that despite this I DO in fact wear a helmet? 

Maybe we can just agree that safety gear in most cases is a good thing?

 I’ve had two friends spend months in the hospital and then rehab and neither ever made it back 100% to their original selves again for hitting their head while riding toys.  One on four wheeler and he hit his head while falling off doing a wheelie going about 8 mph.  The other  face planting riding his bike because someone get too close to him and his pedal went in his spokes.  Neither were wearing a helmet.  My friend on the four wheeler had been wearing a helmet all day but just before he was putting his machine on the trailer he decided to do one more wheelie only he had already taken his gear off. 

 I grew up in the 70s in the 80s and there were no such things as helmets for the most part. Once in a while you would see a motorcyclist wearing a helmet.  I rode my bicycle thousands of times without a helmet and wiped out many times unharmed.  I grew up skiing in Maine and never wore a helmet.   Getting back to the car analogy the first 80 years or so of automobiles there were no seatbelts.   I guess in the end it all comes down to the individuals tolerance for risk. I have very little at this point because I have too much responsibility.   I can tolerate a broken elbow or collarbone but not brain trauma. I will certainly never use past examples of wipeouts or accidents as a guideline for future risk assessment. That’s just me. I do think this is a healthy discussion for our forum though. 

[CptSalami]

I'm really getting a feeling here that you like to argue a lot, and find arguments where there are none. I'm going to assume this is just me reading the wrong meaning out of your posts.

We seem to be mostly in agreement anyways.
Crash = bad
Safety gear = good

Hope you have a great day. 

[Patton250]

4 hours ago, CptSalami said:

I'm really getting a feeling here that you like to argue a lot, and find arguments where there are none. I'm going to assume this is just me reading the wrong meaning out of your posts.

We seem to be mostly in agreement anyways.
Crash = bad
Safety gear = good

Hope you have a great day. 

 I hate arguing. I was merely clarifying a misunderstanding between us. You have a great day as well. 

[Darrell Wesh]

5 hours ago, Patton250 said:

 I’ve had two friends spend months in the hospital and then rehab and neither ever made it back 100% to their original selves again for hitting their head while riding toys.  One on four wheeler and he hit his head while falling off doing a wheelie going about 8 mph.  The other  face planting riding his bike because someone get too close to him and his pedal went in his spokes.  Neither were wearing a helmet.  My friend on the four wheeler had been wearing a helmet all day but just before he was putting his machine on the trailer he decided to do one more wheelie only he had already taken his gear off. 

 I grew up in the 70s in the 80s and there were no such things as helmets for the most part. Once in a while you would see a motorcyclist wearing a helmet.  I rode my bicycle thousands of times without a helmet and wiped out many times unharmed.  I grew up skiing in Maine and never wore a helmet.   Getting back to the car analogy the first 80 years or so of automobiles there were no seatbelts.   I guess in the end it all comes down to the individuals tolerance for risk. I have very little at this point because I have too much responsibility.   I can tolerate a broken elbow or collarbone but not brain trauma. I will certainly never use past examples of wipeouts or accidents as a guideline for future risk assessment. That’s just me. I do think this is a healthy discussion for our forum though. 

The probability of hitting your head is dramatically increased when you’re holding on to handlebars. This is because the first thing you do in a fall is reach your hands out to give you more time to keep your head from hitting the ground by absorbing speed and force through the hands/knees. 

When you’re holding handlebars people usually don’t let them go, and on a vehicle with handlebars the sideways momentum of the falling vehicle drags the person with it. Most helmet impacts are from the side for this reason exactly.  

I would rather wear a helmet on my 40mph ebike or scooter than on my 40mph unicycle. 

[winterwheel]

On 8/11/2019 at 8:06 AM, Patton250 said:

 You are correct about it being easier for young people but you can be an all star champion and that won’t do you a bit of good if a car slams into you. Good luck with that  

Pride= Eventual suffering 

I've had two serious run ins with cars -- once a car slammed into me, once I slammed into a car; neither time was I wearing any gear at all; both times I had a brief conversation with the driver, picked my wheel and rode away. Wheels are awesome.

[Patton250]

 Listen guys I don’t believe Darwin was right. So no matter how hard you keep trying to prove him right I refuse to believe it. :-) 

 Have a blessed day. 

[kasenutty]

I have often wondered why people feel so compelled to push their personal safety regime on everyone they come in contact with without knowing how much a person values not getting injured. The level of caring about how badly you're hurt varies greatly from person to person, and assuming someone's ICL (Intended Carefulness Level) is insensitive to those who enjoy pain. 

Edited August 12, 2019 by kasenutty

[Patton250]

28 minutes ago, kasenutty said:

I have often wondered why people feel so compelled to push their personal safety regime on everyone they come in contact with without knowing how much a person values not getting injured. The level of caring about how badly you're hurt varies greatly from person to person, and assuming someone's ICL (Intended Carefulness Level) is insensitive to those who enjoy pain. 

 Extremely well put. I agree 100%. Especially to perfect strangers. It’s very bold.  I have an obligation to talk to my son or daughter about safety but what another man or woman does is absolutely none of my business. 

[Gasmantle]

1 hour ago, Patton250 said:

 Listen guys I don’t believe Darwin was right. So no matter how hard you keep trying to prove him right I refuse to believe it. :-) 

 Have a blessed day. 

Didn't he wear a helmet on his EUC either ?

[Mike Sacristan]

I ate a snickers bar with the wrapping on once.

Anyway... I posted a clip on Reddit. Didn't take long before a "Helmet?" comment popped up. I invited them here to contribute to the thread.

 

[Rywokast]

5 minutes ago, Mike Sacristan said:

I ate a snickers bar with the wrapping on once.

Anyway... I posted a clip on Reddit. Didn't take long before a "Helmet?" comment popped up. I invited them here to contribute to the thread.

 

lol ask them if they wear a helmet every time they run.. because that sure as hell isnt anywhere close to a helmet worthy speed haha

[Mike Sacristan]

5 minutes ago, Rywokast said:

lol ask them if they wear a helmet every time they run.. because that sure as hell isnt anywhere close to a helmet worthy speed haha

10-12kmh according to the GoPro overlay that I didn't even bother rendering for that video.
SUCH SPEED!!! Apparently EUC are easy to overpower... and you are riding on ONE WHEEL. ONLY ONE!
That's half as stable as a bicycle.

[Patton250]

7 minutes ago, Mike Sacristan said:

10-12kmh according to the GoPro overlay that I didn't even bother rendering for that video.
SUCH SPEED!!! Apparently EUC are easy to overpower... and you are riding on ONE WHEEL. ONLY ONE!
That's half as stable as a bicycle.

 Besides when you’re young and fabulous it’s impossible to get hurt anyway regardless of speed or circumstance. 

[Mike Sacristan]

1 minute ago, Patton250 said:

 Besides when you’re young and fabulous it’s impossible to get hurt anyway regardless of speed or circumstance. 

When I was young I did so many stupid things. Sometimes I think of them before going to bed... and get crazy anxiety. 
Jumping off cliffs into water. Once I got waaaay to close to the cliffs.
Going from one apartment to another... from balcony to balcony.
I used to work framing art. The hydraulic knives used to cut the frames were insanely sharp. Once I banged my finger into it.
Then there's a whole list of other stupid things i've done.
How I miss those times. 

[Rehab1]

53 minutes ago, Mike Sacristan said:

When I was young I did so many stupid things. Sometimes I think of them before going to bed... and get crazy anxiety. 
Jumping off cliffs into water. Once I got waaaay to close to the cliffs.
Going from one apartment to another... from balcony to balcony.
I used to work framing art. The hydraulic knives used to cut the frames were insanely sharp. Once I banged my finger into it.
Then there's a whole list of other stupid things i've done.
How I miss those times. 

Yes we’ve all done stupid things, some more dangerous than others. Finding a way to protect my kids from all of the dumb mistakes I made was challenging. Almost got it right. 

Edited August 16, 2019 by Rehab1

[Guest PogArt Artur]

7 hours ago, Mike Sacristan said:

When I was young I did so many stupid things. Sometimes I think of them before going to bed... and get crazy anxiety. 
Jumping off cliffs into water. Once I got waaaay to close to the cliffs.
Going from one apartment to another... from balcony to balcony.
I used to work framing art. The hydraulic knives used to cut the frames were insanely sharp. Once I banged my finger into it.
Then there's a whole list of other stupid things i've done.
How I miss those times. 

I felt in love to keep venomous snakes in past...

It's started with one, soon after I had collection of 17 if I remember it right.

Apart of a danger while cleaning their cages, some new comers were refusing to eat, so I had to feed them by hand to keep them in good condition, until they start on their own.

Every time I think of that "hobby" I'm thinking - was it love or stupidity 😁😁😁 

At present it isn't getting any better with me, though!

I've decided to get EUC...

I'm commute at present on ONE WHEEL ONLY 😲😲😲

Basically I'm just standing on the pedals,and riding 28MPH through the traffic 🤣🤣🤣

Shall I mention - no proper brakes fitted 😂, no handlebar to hold on to 🤣

I'm struggling to judge which of two hobbies is worst then 😂🤣😂

 

 

Edited August 16, 2019 by PogArt Artur

[ir_fuel]

On 8/12/2019 at 10:59 PM, kasenutty said:

I have often wondered why people feel so compelled to push their personal safety regime on everyone they come in contact with without knowing how much a person values not getting injured. The level of caring about how badly you're hurt varies greatly from person to person, and assuming someone's ICL (Intended Carefulness Level) is insensitive to those who enjoy pain. 

Funny only helmets get mentioned when strangers riot about this. Who cares about wrists, shoulders, knees, fingers ... while statistically speaking those get hurt a lot more and can also leave you disabled for life.

And then you put the most silly helmet on and all of the sudden all is well according to the people judging you. TBH I don't really know if a basic street bicycle helmet is that much safer. It protects the top of your head. Nothing that will help you keep your teeth, yaw, or even worse the back side of your brain when you slam backwards.

 

[Rywokast]

Just now, ir_fuel said:

Funny only helmets get mentioned when strangers riot about this. Who cares about wrists, shoulders, knees, fingers ... while statistically speaking those get hurt a lot more and can also leave you disabled for life.

And then you put the most silly helmet on and all of the sudden all is well according to the people judging you. TBH I don't really know if a basic street bicycle helmet is that much safer. It protects the top of your head. Nothing that will help you keep your teeth, yaw, or even worse the back side of your brain when you slam backwards.

 

yes i always wondered how often do people actually hit the top of their head, like what are you cliff diving or something why would you hit the top of your head?? like those dinky little cap helmets some motorcyclists wear... if youre gonna wear a helmet already you might as well make it something that will actually protect any of your face lol

[atdlzpae]

4 minutes ago, Rywokast said:

yes i always wondered how often do people actually hit the top of their head

Considering that the face is often protected by hands (at least EUC'ing, we don't have handles to distract us), I think that forehead / sides are the most hit-prone places for us.

[Rywokast]

27 minutes ago, atdlzpae said:

Considering that the face is often protected by hands (at least EUC'ing, we don't have handles to distract us), I think that forehead / sides are the most hit-prone places for us.

maybe for us yea but in general they seem like they're more for show lol

[Patton250]

1 hour ago, ir_fuel said:Funny only helmets get mentioned when strangers riot about this. Who cares about wrists, shoulders, knees, fingers ... while statistically speaking those get hurt a lot more and can also leave you disabled for life.

And then you put the most silly helmet on and all of the sudden all is well according to the people judging you. TBH I don't really know if a basic street bicycle helmet is that much safer. It protects the top of your head. Nothing that will help you keep your teeth, yaw, or even worse the back side of your brain when you slam backwards.

 

 Just to clarify a definition.  People always get the definition of judging wrong. Especially in the United States. Having an opinion on someone’s behavior whether positive or negative is not judging.  Thinking you know a persons motive for doing something is judging. 

 It’s kind of like my fellow citizens abusing the word hate. They seem to be slinging that word around quite a bit in the United States lately. In the end what they really mean is - hate =  a person or people that disagree with me.