Why the NEED to Lecture Gearless stranger on an EUC?

[Demargon]

4 minutes ago, Darrell Wesh said:

He’d spend his time better by training his reaction time and doing core work. 

Few things in my life worth like the fall break lessons of judo. They cost a couple of months to learn and a few years to improve at maximum (one day at week) and last a life for enjoy it

Edited August 11, 2019 by Demargon

[Demargon]

1 hour ago, LucasD said:

in a fall it is better to stop with broken hands

Agree, but the best is stop with a healthy hands (They are ways to use them without get arms injury)

[Mike Sacristan]

Here's a challenge.
Stand up. Fall forward into a push up. It's not easy and actually quite scary. You will most likely hurt your shoulder.
Now do it again with wrist guards.

When falling forward or when having objects approaching our faces at high speed we tend to stretch out our arms and turn our faces.
Usually our arms will buckle and we will end up on our forearms or they will slide to overheard and we will end up on our bellies.
If falling a bit diagonally we also tend to slide and rotate.
Falling off an EUC is like being teleported to the ground though so there isn't much planning ahead.
Go out and run as fast as you can and when you reach top speed throw yourself onto the ground. 

[Darrell Wesh]

4 minutes ago, Mike Sacristan said:

Falling off an EUC is like being teleported to the ground though so there isn't much planning ahead.

...Except you’re higher off the ground then you would be if you fell from your own body height. And falling off an EUC is only like that with a cutout, which most people will never experience. 

Most falls give people enough reaction time to get a foot or two steps underneath them; they don’t just immediately Superman off the unicycle. 

8 minutes ago, Mike Sacristan said:

Fall forward into a push up. It's not easy and actually quite scary. You will most likely hurt your shoulder.
Now do it again with wrist guards

It’s easy for me! Wrist guards would cause you to faceplant btw. No horizontal velocity, just vertical, that’s not what you want. 

People don’t realize that being strong and having a strong core is pivotal to coming out injury free from a crash. That’s why you can dress up like Robocop but still dislocate your shoulders and snap collarbones. 

[LanghamP]

1 minute ago, Darrell Wesh said:

Most falls give people enough reaction time to get a foot or two steps underneath them; they don’t just immediately Superman off the unicycle. 

I agree with this if you're young but not as you are 50 years old and above, because people's reaction time to complex stimuli increases by about a tenth of a second per decade of life. For simple reflexes, reactions don't increase much until age fifty, upon which they increase markedly

The EUC manufacturers' suggestion not to ride past age 55 is probably wise.

 

[Patton250]

20 minutes ago, LanghamP said:

I agree with this if you're young but not as you are 50 years old and above, because people's reaction time to complex stimuli increases by about a tenth of a second per decade of life. For simple reflexes, reactions don't increase much until age fifty, upon which they increase markedly

The EUC manufacturers' suggestion not to ride past age 55 is probably wise.

 

 You are correct about it being easier for young people but you can be an all star champion and that won’t do you a bit of good if a car slams into you. Good luck with that  

Pride= Eventual suffering 

[LanghamP]

51 minutes ago, Patton250 said:

 You are correct about it being easier for young people but you can be an all star champion and that won’t do you a bit of good if a car slams into you. Good luck with that  

Pride= Eventual suffering 

The chances of a car killing you is minuscule, as so far only one car has ever killed a human being.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_self-driving_car_fatalities

Perhaps you meant driver when you said car?

These two sentences are functionally equivalent:

The gun killed the man.

The car killed the man.

[Patton250]

1 hour ago, LanghamP said:

The chances of a car killing you is minuscule, as so far only one car has ever killed a human being.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_self-driving_car_fatalities

Perhaps you meant driver when you said car?

These two sentences are functionally equivalent:

The gun killed the man.

The car killed the man.

 Semantics? Really? Fine.  And I thought my wife was a real smart ass. I think I’ll go apologize to her. 

[chroma]

california law says you need to wear a helmet whenever riding any PEV- the way I see it, I just do not want to get a ticket or have my vehicle impounded.

[Patton250]

1 minute ago, chroma said:

california law says you need to wear a helmet whenever riding any PEV- the way I see it, I just do not want to get a ticket or have my vehicle impounded.

Ah yes. Government. Got to love em. 

[pico]

5 hours ago, LanghamP said:

, upon which they increase markedly

Only if you don't do anything about it!

Use it or lose it! For EVERY part of the body 

[LanghamP]

2 hours ago, Patton250 said:

 Semantics? Really? Fine.  And I thought my wife was a real smart ass. I think I’ll go apologize to her. 

I'm glad to educate you as to the proper usage.

Remember, always say "driver" instead of "car".

You should never see news headlines say, "truck/car/SUV kills person", because it's more than semantics; we don't say "Paris massacre where 100+ people were killed by AK47's."

Remember, it's drivers that kill others.

For that, I'm absolutely a smart ass. You can apologize to your wife anytime; I'm sure that increase her respect of you by doing so. You should keep apologizing to her.

[Patton250]

32 minutes ago, LanghamP said:

I'm glad to educate you as to the proper usage.

Remember, always say "driver" instead of "car".

You should never see news headlines say, "truck/car/SUV kills person", because it's more than semantics; we don't say "Paris massacre where 100+ people were killed by AK47's."

Remember, it's drivers that kill others.

For that, I'm absolutely a smart ass. You can apologize to your wife anytime; I'm sure that increase her respect of you by doing so. You should keep apologizing to her.

Lol. Bye 

[Mike Sacristan]

4 hours ago, LanghamP said:

5 hours ago, Patton250 said:

 You are correct about it being easier for young people but you can be an all star champion and that won’t do you a bit of good if a car slams into you. Good luck with that  

Pride= Eventual suffering 

The chances of a car killing you is minuscule, as so far only one car has ever killed a human being.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_self-driving_car_fatalities

Perhaps you meant driver when you said car?

These two sentences are functionally equivalent:

The gun killed the man.

The car killed the man.

A car slams into you.
A driver slams into you.
I got hit by a driver.

Edited August 11, 2019 by Mike Sacristan
MY DOG GOT RUN OVER BY A DRIVER!!!

[LanghamP]

1 hour ago, pico said:

Only if you don't do anything about it!

Use it or lose it! For EVERY part of the body 

The study did refer to increasing or hanging onto reaction times by practice, but sadly that only works to a point.

Old men with a heart condition who marry an 18 year old do seem to live forever, as at least two organs are now put into use.

[ir_fuel]

16 hours ago, gr8ps said:

I'm in agreement with LanghamP. If one can fill out a form and waive society's duty to care for you and just let you die if you ever take a bad spill and end up in a coma/life threatening position, then okay. Reality is if this ever happens he will use up societal resources caring for a preventable injury. Insured or not, they won't just let him die on the streets. Costs will be incurred and if not insured, born by society in the form of raised medical costs for everyone else. Even if he is insured, he may not have the resources to fully discharge his debt, with medical bills being the single largest source of bankruptcies even among the insured. 

Sorry, but I don't agree.

Riding EUC's is already dangerous enough as-is, protection or not, so I propose everyone that does this fill out a form and waive society's duty to care for you and just let you die if you ever take a bad spill and end up in a coma/life threatening position. There are tons of alternative ways of transportation that are a lot safer. Walking or running for instance. There are absolutely zero reasons to be riding EUC's in our society.

 

I read once that man's most stupid invention is the helmet. If you think of it, it makes sense. Instead of simply avoiding any activities which could cause head/brain injuries, we decide to do them anyway and try limiting the amount of injury by putting a high tech bucket on our head. 

[ir_fuel]

This is also a trend of the last X years, the helmet obsession. When I grew up in the 80's and 90's I did a lot of skateboarding. I never wore any piece of protection. Well, technically for a few years I did. Shin guards, because my shins got so bruised up from failed 360 flips that I couldn't stand it anymore  . I fell hundreds of times, scrapes and bruises all over the place. My parents never put any thought in it or told me to wear any protection.

 

[ir_fuel]

10 hours ago, atdlzpae said:

I've faceplanted several times and my helmet never got a scratch. The hierarchy for me is:

1. Wrist guards
2. Knee pads
3. Helmet
4. Elbow pads

And so, I only wear wrist protection when grocery shopping. Everything else only if I'm going far/fast/pushing limits.

I stopped wearing wrist guards a week ago. I started wearing motorcycle gloves with wrist protection (sliders). Wrist guards are a good idea for low speed crashes with direct, hard vertical impact on the ground. Once you go 20+mph do you like the idea that there is tough plastic protecting your wrist, but all your fingers are exposed and can get a very bad rash when sliding over the ground? Since there are currently no wrist/glove combos for us euc riders, I decided to switch to leather gloves. At least my fingers are protected too. (I had a discussion about this with someone on the forum, and I realised he was right about high speed falls)

When goofing around on the mten3 I still wear my wrist guards though.

[atdlzpae]

20 minutes ago, ir_fuel said:

Riding EUC's is already dangerous enough as-is, protection or not, so I propose everyone that does this fill out a form and waive society's duty to care for you and just let you die if you ever take a bad spill and end up in a coma/life threatening position. There are tons of alternative ways of transportation that are a lot safer. Walking or running for instance. There are absolutely zero reasons to be riding EUC's in our society.

1. Not die - fund it from my bank account directly. People who save money don't need insurance... At least when it's not rigged - I'm from EU where the hospital prices are sane.

2. There is exactly the same reason to be riding EUC's as to be riding bikes. Walking & running is way slower and way more tiresome. And I don't agree that running is safer per km.

[Rywokast]

29 minutes ago, ir_fuel said:

Sorry, but I don't agree.

Riding EUC's is already dangerous enough as-is, protection or not, so I propose everyone that does this fill out a form and waive society's duty to care for you and just let you die if you ever take a bad spill and end up in a coma/life threatening position. There are tons of alternative ways of transportation that are a lot safer. Walking or running for instance. There are absolutely zero reasons to be riding EUC's in our society.

 

I read once that man's most stupid invention is the helmet. If you think of it, it makes sense. Instead of simply avoiding any activities which could cause head/brain injuries, we decide to do them anyway and try limiting the amount of injury by putting a high tech bucket on our head. 

i would gladly fill out this form lol.. i dont like "free" healthcare anyways ill either pay out of pocket or get my own private insurance which would be cheaper anyways because im a perfectly healthy in shape late 20s individual.. but why should i have to pay for all of the people who smoke and get lung cancer, all the people who are 200 lbs overweight and get diabetes or heart disease, all of the people who abuse drugs and alcohol etc etc

[LanghamP]

1 hour ago, Rywokast said:

i would gladly fill out this form lol.. i dont like "free" healthcare anyways ill either pay out of pocket or get my own private insurance which would be cheaper anyways because im a perfectly healthy in shape late 20s individual.. but why should i have to pay for all of the people who smoke and get lung cancer, all the people who are 200 lbs overweight and get diabetes or heart disease, all of the people who abuse drugs and alcohol etc etc

Should good governance be fiscally or morally responsible?

A fiscally responsible path would be to encourage every citizen to smoke, because lung cancer is entirely palliative, and with the median age being around 55 or so, such smokers die before getting a social security payout. I think China, with its government owned tobacco brands, has taken this viewpoint.

A moral path would be, of course, to try to save as many lives as possible, for as many years as possible, taking into balance the quality of life, and this is what Western Europe has taken with its socialized medication.

 

[ir_fuel]

2 hours ago, Rywokast said:

i would gladly fill out this form lol.. i dont like "free" healthcare anyways ill either pay out of pocket or get my own private insurance which would be cheaper anyways because im a perfectly healthy in shape late 20s individual.. but why should i have to pay for all of the people who smoke and get lung cancer, all the people who are 200 lbs overweight and get diabetes or heart disease, all of the people who abuse drugs and alcohol etc etc

Yeah and people in good shape never ever ever ever get ill....

You are a typical 20's individual. They all feel immortal. Give it some time, that idea will change when you will see nasty shit happen around you, to people you least expect it from. 

Seriously. How short-sighted can you be.

[ir_fuel]

2 hours ago, atdlzpae said:

1. Not die - fund it from my bank account directly. People who save money don't need insurance... At least when it's not rigged - I'm from EU where the hospital prices are sane.

So you have infinite resources on your bank account. Some illnesses/treatments can cost hunderds of thousands of euros, if your insurance doesn't intervene. Good luck paying all that from your bank account directly. You never know what might happen to you. You might get run over by someone, and that someone could have no money at all to pay your medical bills. What are you going to do next?

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2. There is exactly the same reason to be riding EUC's as to be riding bikes. Walking & running is way slower and way more tiresome. And I don't agree that running is safer per km.

So you claim that riding a 2-wheeled vehicle with a cruising speed of 10mph is as unsafe as riding an electric one-wheeled vehicle with a cruising speed of 20mph?

Edited August 11, 2019 by ir_fuel

[ir_fuel]

39 minutes ago, LanghamP said:

Should good governance be fiscally or morally responsible?

A fiscally responsible path would be to encourage every citizen to smoke, because lung cancer is entirely palliative, and with the median age being around 55 or so, such smokers die before getting a social security payout. I think China, with its government owned tobacco brands, has taken this viewpoint.

A moral path would be, of course, to try to save as many lives as possible, for as many years as possible, taking into balance the quality of life, and this is what Western Europe has taken with its socialized medication.

Or you can take a third path, whereby good healthcare is considered a luxury for those able to afford it, and even those should pay through the nose when they need it. That's what the United States has done.

 

[LanghamP]

9 minutes ago, ir_fuel said:

Or you can take a third path, whereby good healthcare is considered a luxury for those able to afford it, and even those should pay through the nose when they need it. That's what the United States has done.

This is a pretty good explanation as to why healthcare is so expensive.

Note public spending, what everyone pays via taxes, is about as high as other countries, so all of us pay for healthcare same as socialized medicine, but we just don't get the benefits of socialized medicine.

There is nothing wrong with the US medicine; it is working exactly as designed/lobbied.