thommy Posted December 27, 2019 Author Share Posted December 27, 2019 Hi Philip, Maybe you get some cheap second hand stuff in NZ, here in Westen Europe it is crazy how much they ask for everything with the name 'segway' On second hand: Original Segway I2 : 3500 Euro Segway X2SE: NEW =almost 10.000 euro, second hand between 5.000 and 7.000 euro.... But most of all, you don't find it often on the second hand market. I have payed nearly 1500 euro for ES6+, delivered at my home. Driven almost 1000 km at this moment and the device itself never let me down until now. OK, now I had some problems with the charger (+- 30 Euro new), but this is peanuts and can happen also with a Segway charger (the same charger 'made in China') Conclusion, for the price of 1 segway I can buy almost 7 ES6+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommy Posted December 27, 2019 Author Share Posted December 27, 2019 Just increased the charger output voltage to 63,5V. Let's see this evening if the ES6+ is more than 90% charged. Below 62V the the ES6+ is only for 85% charged, 5 block indicator is full when starting to drive, after 200 meter there is already one 'block' indicator out. Do you guys think that 63,5V have no bad impact on the battery life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevmar Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Thommy, most modern lithium-Ion cells do not age so quickly if the charge voltage is kept below 3.96 volts (approx, varies from cell to cell). The biggest increase in life is lowering the charge voltage from 4.2 to 4.1 volts, where the life doubles for many cells (from 500 to 1000 cycles for 20% degradation). Every manufacturer is different, but it is a good general rule to keep the voltage on any cell below 4.1V and preferably below 4.0V, which for a 16 cell pack is 64.0V. One complication is that the BMS often is not precise in balancing the charge into cells, and it is recommended to charge right up to 4.2volts every few cycles, say, once a week. This allows the BMS to balance out the charge in each cell if the cells in the pack are not exactly matched. Most BMS only balance the voltage at 4.2V. Hope that helps, and your choice of the Chinese platforms is a good one. I replaced my (four) Segway MiniPRO with two Airwheel S5, and have not had a single problem since then. I also bought a 2400W 'Halo Knight' in-line scooter, which is a real pleasure to ride! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommy Posted December 29, 2019 Author Share Posted December 29, 2019 (edited) 18 hours ago, trevmar said: Thommy, most modern lithium-Ion cells do not age so quickly if the charge voltage is kept below 3.96 volts (approx, varies from cell to cell). The biggest increase in life is lowering the charge voltage from 4.2 to 4.1 volts, where the life doubles for many cells (from 500 to 1000 cycles for 20% degradation). Every manufacturer is different, but it is a good general rule to keep the voltage on any cell below 4.1V and preferably below 4.0V, which for a 16 cell pack is 64.0V. One complication is that the BMS often is not precise in balancing the charge into cells, and it is recommended to charge right up to 4.2volts every few cycles, say, once a week. This allows the BMS to balance out the charge in each cell if the cells in the pack are not exactly matched. Most BMS only balance the voltage at 4.2V. Hope that helps, and your choice of the Chinese platforms is a good one. I replaced my (four) Segway MiniPRO with two Airwheel S5, and have not had a single problem since then. I also bought a 2400W 'Halo Knight' in-line scooter, which is a real pleasure to ride! Thanks trev. Since I have at this moment 2 good working chargers, I will increase the output voltage of one charger to 67,2V and use thisone once a week...good idea? Edited December 29, 2019 by thommy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas V. Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Hi Thommy, I‘ve requested the ES6+ directly in China and they offered a reasonable price (1500 US$) including shipping by train. Shipping time is approximately 30 days. Since this device will ship directly from China, I’ll definitely will get problems with the customs. Where or how did you manage to receive it from a European stock? Are you still fully satisfied with your device? No other problems than charger? I’d love to buy a second hand segway, but prices are insane for used devices. Thanks Thomas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommy Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 (edited) Hi Thomas, Sorry for the delay (it seems I don't get notifications when someone has posted in my topic???) I managed to buy the ES6+ directly from Shenzhen home base, they told me they could ship from there Polish or French warehouse, so I did not have to pay extra import taxes. My ES6+ came from the French warehouse, shipping was 200 USD, price ES6+: 1350 USD and PayPal commission 78 USD, so a total amount I payed = 1628 USD. Till now I am still very please with the ES6+, driven just over 1000 km. Best Regards, thommy Edited January 17, 2020 by thommy forget the picture... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommy Posted January 23, 2020 Author Share Posted January 23, 2020 Very bad news...ES6+ just died when charging.... It was charging for about 3 hours, I went to the garage and smelled a burnt odor This evening I decided to investigate the damage.... Also with dismantling I noticed the plastic used is not of very good quality conclusion...this is also another poor, cheap and not reable device. Very dissapointed, before the damage the device was a dream to ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeRide Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Oh sorry to hear that. Looks like they might be able to just send you the entire assembly and you can replace it. You may not be out of business for too long. You had good dealings with them, so i think they might help get things going again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommy Posted January 23, 2020 Author Share Posted January 23, 2020 51 minutes ago, FreeRide said: Oh sorry to hear that. Looks like they might be able to just send you the entire assembly and you can replace it. You may not be out of business for too long. You had good dealings with them, so i think they might help get things going again. The batteries still give 60,7V, so it seems they are not damaged. I hope it is only the motherboard, also not possible to test the motors but I think they are OK. I already contacted them by WhatsApp, waiting for the answer... I also looked for possibly a real Segway X2 SE....these prices are really criminal in Europe...+ 9000 euro For that money I can almost buy a Dacia Duster I don't want to spend that much money for a shelf with 2 wheels, 2 motors, batterypack, motherboard and some other small components.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommy Posted April 6, 2020 Author Share Posted April 6, 2020 Udate.... Dear people, watch out for xinlitech!!!! They don't even answer me anymore. So I lost 1500 euro after 6 months of use.....very dissapointed I should stop buying from chinese sellers....they make a lot of crap that does not match the European standard. I have no hope I can recover the scooter So be warned friends.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theradiostar Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Ouch. I am about to order ES6+ from Hong Kong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommy Posted April 10, 2020 Author Share Posted April 10, 2020 Hello Radiostar, Be warned, I have used mine for +-1000 km, and just over 6 months and the dam thing has died.... No response anymore from Xinly.... It is a shame !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franzkz Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 Hi, I would like to know the latest updates of this segway eswing es6 + ... If the company is serious because they asked me to transfer abroad in advance, thanks to all of you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommy Posted August 30, 2020 Author Share Posted August 30, 2020 Hello, My advice...Don't buy from this company! They only just want to cooperate if they can sell, afterwards if there are problems with the device they will not answer you anymore! Also the plastic material around the batteries and center console is very breakable... Internal wiring is very thin wire, with my problem the wires on the motherboard were fried, lucky I was in time otherwise my garage might have burnt down!!!! I have decide to pay a little more and have bought a real Segway X2 SE PT. What a different , I also have now total warranty from the dealer nearby. So my advice, save a little longer and buy the real stuff instead of those Chinese garbage sellers. Best Regards, Yves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommy Posted August 30, 2020 Author Share Posted August 30, 2020 (edited) O yes, This is my new SEGWAY X2 SE from PTpro Edited August 30, 2020 by thommy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faf Change Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 bonsoir thommy a tu des pièces a donné ou a vendre exemple chargeur, batterie, télécommande de ton ancien es6+ merci Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan ten Have Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Hi guys, Does anybody know if there is a saddle available for the ESwing ES6+? Greetings, Jan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommy Posted September 21, 2020 Author Share Posted September 21, 2020 On 9/6/2020 at 11:19 PM, Faf Change said: bonsoir thommy a tu des pièces a donné ou a vendre exemple chargeur, batterie, télécommande de ton ancien es6+ merci Hello Faf No, I have nothing sold or given away. I think those parts are still here (charger, remote...), also the batteries are still here and measure still + 60V (I measure that later in the evening for the current situation.) The wheels and gearboxes are disassembled...maybe I use these for making a trailer for the kids 12v vehicles Best Regards, Yves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommy Posted September 21, 2020 Author Share Posted September 21, 2020 On 9/20/2020 at 1:21 PM, Jan ten Have said: Hi guys, Does anybody know if there is a saddle available for the ESwing ES6+? Greetings, Jan. Contact Xinly...if for selling they will answer you, if for problems...they are as quiet as a mouse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franzkz Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 On 12/30/2019 at 6:57 AM, Thomas V. said: Hi Thommy, I‘ve requested the ES6+ directly in China and they offered a reasonable price (1500 US$) including shipping by train. Shipping time is approximately 30 days. Since this device will ship directly from China, I’ll definitely will get problems with the customs. Where or how did you manage to receive it from a European stock? Are you still fully satisfied with your device? No other problems than charger? I’d love to buy a second hand segway, but prices are insane for used devices. Thanks Thomas Hi Tomas, come you are with the segway es6 +? You have problems with the eswing app closing you can update me thank you Francis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thommy Posted October 26, 2020 Author Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/25/2020 at 2:21 PM, Franzkz said: Hi Tomas, come you are with the segway es6 +? You have problems with the eswing app closing you can update me thank you Francis Hello Francis, I had lot of more problems, please read this whole topic. This is the actual status : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bambino Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 On 8/30/2020 at 7:40 AM, thommy said: O yes, This is my new SEGWAY X2 SE from PTpro uauuu!!! great!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Dillingham Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 My ESwing 6+ does not turn well and I need pin number for android app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anetaandrzej Posted September 9, 2022 Share Posted September 9, 2022 PIN 666666 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Cao Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 Dear all, My name is Sam Cao, and I'm Sales Manager from ESWING. As the Sales Manager of ESWING, I would like to address the concerns regarding our after-sales service that have been brought to our attention. We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience caused by the lack of follow-up from our previous colleague. Please rest assured that we take full responsibility for all after-sales service issues during the warranty period. We are continuously improving our after-sales service system to provide better support to our customers. If you encounter any problems while using our products, please do not hesitate to contact me by email [sales04@xinlitech.com]. We will respond promptly and work towards resolving the issue as soon as possible. We value customer satisfaction greatly, and we appreciate all feedback and suggestions. Thank you for your support and trust in ESWING. We will continue to provide you with high-quality products and services and hope to establish a long-term cooperative relationship with you. Best regards, ESWING Sales Manager 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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