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Hi Philip, 

Maybe you get some cheap second hand stuff in NZ, here in Westen Europe it is crazy how much they ask for everything with the name 'segway'

On second hand:

Original Segway I2 : 3500 Euro

Segway X2SE: NEW =almost 10.000 euro, second hand between 5.000 and 7.000 euro....

But most of all, you don't find it often on the second hand market.

I have payed nearly 1500 euro for ES6+, delivered at my home.

Driven almost 1000 km at this moment and the device itself never let me down until now.

OK, now I had some problems with the charger (+- 30 Euro new), but this is peanuts and can happen also with a Segway charger (the same charger 'made in China')

Conclusion, for the price of 1 segway I can buy almost 7 ES6+ :dribble:

 

 

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Just increased the charger output voltage to 63,5V.

Let's see this evening if the ES6+ is more than 90% charged.

Below 62V the the ES6+ is only for 85% charged, 5 block indicator is full when starting to drive, after 200 meter there is already one 'block' indicator out.

Do you guys think that 63,5V  have no bad impact on the battery life?

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Thommy, most modern lithium-Ion cells do not age so quickly if the charge voltage is kept below 3.96 volts (approx, varies from cell to cell).  The biggest increase in life is lowering the charge voltage from 4.2 to 4.1 volts, where the life doubles for many cells (from 500 to 1000 cycles for 20% degradation). Every manufacturer is different, but it is a good general rule to keep the voltage on any cell below 4.1V and preferably below 4.0V, which for a 16 cell pack is 64.0V. One complication is that the BMS often is not precise in balancing the charge into cells, and it is recommended to charge right up to 4.2volts every few cycles, say, once a week. This allows the BMS to balance out the charge in each cell if the cells in the pack are not exactly matched. Most BMS only balance the voltage at 4.2V.

Hope that helps, and your choice of the Chinese platforms is a good one. I replaced my (four) Segway MiniPRO with two Airwheel S5, and have not had a single problem since then. I also bought a 2400W 'Halo Knight' in-line scooter, which is a real pleasure to ride!

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18 hours ago, trevmar said:

Thommy, most modern lithium-Ion cells do not age so quickly if the charge voltage is kept below 3.96 volts (approx, varies from cell to cell).  The biggest increase in life is lowering the charge voltage from 4.2 to 4.1 volts, where the life doubles for many cells (from 500 to 1000 cycles for 20% degradation). Every manufacturer is different, but it is a good general rule to keep the voltage on any cell below 4.1V and preferably below 4.0V, which for a 16 cell pack is 64.0V. One complication is that the BMS often is not precise in balancing the charge into cells, and it is recommended to charge right up to 4.2volts every few cycles, say, once a week. This allows the BMS to balance out the charge in each cell if the cells in the pack are not exactly matched. Most BMS only balance the voltage at 4.2V.

Hope that helps, and your choice of the Chinese platforms is a good one. I replaced my (four) Segway MiniPRO with two Airwheel S5, and have not had a single problem since then. I also bought a 2400W 'Halo Knight' in-line scooter, which is a real pleasure to ride!

Thanks trev. :cheers:

Since I have at this moment 2 good working chargers, I will increase the output voltage of one charger to 67,2V and use thisone once a week...good idea?

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Hi Thommy,

I‘ve requested the ES6+ directly in China and they offered a reasonable price (1500 US$) including shipping by train. Shipping time is approximately 30 days. Since this device will ship directly from China, I’ll definitely will get problems with the customs. Where or how did you manage to receive it from a European stock? Are you still fully satisfied with your device? No other problems than charger? I’d love to buy a second hand segway, but prices are insane for used devices.

 

Thanks 

 

Thomas

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Hi Thomas,

Sorry for the delay (it seems I don't get notifications when someone has posted in my topic???)

I managed to buy the ES6+ directly from Shenzhen home base, they told me they could ship from there Polish or French warehouse, so I did not have to pay extra import taxes.

My ES6+ came from the French warehouse, shipping was 200 USD, price ES6+: 1350 USD and PayPal commission 78 USD, so a total amount I payed = 1628 USD.

Till now I am still very please with the ES6+, driven just over 1000 km.

Best Regards,

thommy

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Very bad news...ES6+ just died when charging....

It was charging for about 3 hours, I went to the garage and smelled a burnt odor:furious:

This evening I decided to investigate the damage....

Also with dismantling I noticed the plastic used is not of very good quality:facepalm:

conclusion...this is also another poor, cheap and not reable device.

Very dissapointed, before the damage the device was a dream to ride.

 

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Oh sorry to hear that.  Looks like they might be able to just send you the entire assembly and you can replace it. You may not be out of business for too long. You had good dealings with them, so i think they might help get things going again. 

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51 minutes ago, FreeRide said:

Oh sorry to hear that.  Looks like they might be able to just send you the entire assembly and you can replace it. You may not be out of business for too long. You had good dealings with them, so i think they might help get things going again. 

The batteries still give 60,7V, so it seems they are not damaged.

I hope it is only the motherboard, also not possible to test the motors but I think they are OK.

I already contacted them by WhatsApp, waiting for the answer...

 

I also looked for possibly a real Segway X2 SE....these prices are really criminal in Europe:wacko:...+ 9000 euro:w00t2:

For that money I can almost buy a Dacia Duster:laughbounce2:

I don't want to spend that much money for a shelf with 2 wheels, 2 motors, batterypack, motherboard and some other small components....

 

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Udate....

Dear people, watch out for xinlitech!!!!

They don't even answer me anymore.

So I lost 1500 euro after 6 months of use.....very dissapointed :(

I should stop buying from chinese sellers....they make a lot of crap that does not match the European standard.

I have no hope I can recover the scooter:(

So be warned friends....

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Hello Radiostar,

Be warned, I have used mine for +-1000 km, and just over 6 months and the dam thing has died....

No response anymore from Xinly....

It is a shame !!!

 

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