Popular Post Marty Backe Posted July 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Thatmustache said: So my wheel will be grey imported, (I'm getting it from aliexpress) can I adjust the speed settings with third party apps then? Like WheelLog? @US69 Will anything else be affected if I order a KS18xl from aliexpress.com? I'm also just looking for clarification, thanks! You know, you really need up add a profile picture because we need to see the mustache You've been anonymous long enough. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thatmustache Posted July 9, 2019 Author Share Posted July 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: You know, you really need up add a profile picture because we need to see the mustache You've been anonymous long enough. Lol! maybe I will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rywokast Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Thatmustache said: So my wheel will be grey imported, (I'm getting it from aliexpress) can I adjust the speed settings with third party apps then? Like WheelLog? @US69 Will anything else be affected if I order a KS18xl from aliexpress.com? I'm also just looking for clarification, thanks! no you cant.. this is the same for any king song wheel bought from anywhere.. you must use their app to adjust speed, but you should only need to do it once just set it to 50 and forget about it, i believe you can adjust any alarms in other apps though Edited July 9, 2019 by Rywokast 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxLinux Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 8 hours ago, Patton250 said: I can tell you the KS18XL is a complete dream to ride. I couldn't be happier with mine! I'm not an off-roader though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rywokast Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, MaxLinux said: I couldn't be happier with mine! I'm not an off-roader though. it is more than capable.. maybe not THE best, but definitely not bad by any means https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H51QOAbMZQQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOUmNFI5H40 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aLvy6iG7Xo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thatmustache Posted July 9, 2019 Author Share Posted July 9, 2019 @Benphysics what's the status on your KS18xl? Have you made any progress and got it working? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post US69 Posted July 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 9, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, Thatmustache said: So my wheel will be grey imported, (I'm getting it from aliexpress) can I adjust the speed settings with third party apps then? Like WheelLog? @US69 Will anything else be affected if I order a KS18xl from aliexpress.com? I'm also just looking for clarification, thanks! In the Moment you cant adjust Speed over other apps. As you are not in a "Exclusive seller License" Country....i would guess you have no Problems. To my Knowledge the North american continent does not have exclusive sellers. 14 hours ago, Nils said: So, to avoid any real, real misinterpretations in the future, and for the benefit of everyone in the forum, could you indulge me further? Now, my understanding after reading your post is as follows: - Only people who have bought a KS wheel intended for the Chinese market with a Chinese serial number (e.g. from AliExpress or somewhere similar) will receive the message "The verchilce isn' t in accordance with the country, please contact the local dealers" [sic] when attempting to adjust speeds from the app. - If you bought a wheel intended for any other market than the Chinese one, you would not receive the above message in any circumstance, even if your local country has an exclusive seller and you bought it from a seller in another country Is this a correct understanding? As for the last quoted statement of yours, I still presume the app will make a call to China for the registration, or is this incorrect? For "make contact with a KS official" I'd assume that refers to my earlier post, which in turn came from posts by @Micheal Shen where users were instructed to contact him in order to have him "release your wheel according to the serial number and your case", i.e .not related to the app per se. Presumably then this would only ever happen for grey imports? You only receive the mentioned message IF FIRST: You bought a chinese Grey Import AND SECOND: You are in a Country with a "exclusive seller"...for example France! The KS app for Setting the Speed and for upgrading firmwares checks the Serial number on the chinese Server. So if you call that "phone home"...then Yes. What Michael has meant is that IF People really have serious Problems...you can contact him or your seller or me....there is ALWAYS the possibility to shut off any protections by a Special Software. I want to Mention one Thing: KS has NEVER let down any customer...even when it is or was a "Grey Import"....in the end you will Always receive help! Nonetheless they must somehow protect the local sellers. These give 2 years warranty and Service, they receive that warranty back from KS, so pay higher prices AND those sellers have to pay the local taxes/custom when importing the Wheel. They can NOT compete pricewise with AliSellers! AliExpress sellers mostly just give a F%/§#….(know that from own experience). Not only they betray custom/taxes of the receiving Country(YOUR Country), the wheels are sometimes B-Quality. My 2 Cents..... Edited July 9, 2019 by US69 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thatmustache Posted July 9, 2019 Author Share Posted July 9, 2019 2 hours ago, US69 said: I want to Mention one Thing: KS has NEVER let down any customer...even when it is or was a "Grey Import"....in the end you will Always receive help! @US69 Thank you for the clarification! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nils Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 4 hours ago, US69 said: You only receive the mentioned message IF FIRST: You bought a chinese Grey Import AND SECOND: You are in a Country with a "exclusive seller"...for example France! The KS app for Setting the Speed and for upgrading firmwares check the Serial number on the chinese Server. So if you call that "phone home"...then Yes. Thanks, and yes, that would qualify as phoning home in my book. 4 hours ago, US69 said: What Michael has meant is that IF People really have serious Problems...you can contact him or your seller or me....there is ALWAYS the possibility to shut off any protections by a Special Software. I want to Mention one Thing: KS has NEVER let down any customer...even when it is or was a "Grey Import"....in the end you will Always receive help! This has been my understanding as well, and a very good argument for KS. Thanks for verifying my understanding, it's very good to know exactly what these things are for and how they work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundars Balodis Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Well, as i said earlier, I bought my KS from Ali, and have no problems with it, wheel itself, despite the fact that it was sold on Ali, is made for export, not for China mainland, and it came from Spain. And the most important, it 400 euro cheaper than cheapest wheel I have seen from EU "exclusive" sellers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thatmustache Posted July 10, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2019 Hey just in case anyone is wondering, after going back and forth more than 50 times, I decided on, and just ordered the Kingsong 18XL Although i think the MSX looks like a beast of a machine, im confident that the 18xl can do everything I need it and want it to do, similar to the msx. And hopefully in a beginner friendly manner! Thank you to everyone who has helped my reach my decision! I will update sometime later 7 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rywokast Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Just now, Thatmustache said: Hey just in case anyone is wondering, after going back and forth more than 50 times, I decided on, and just ordered the Kingsong 18XL Although i think the MSX looks like a beast of a machine, im confident that the 18xl can do everything I need it and want it to do, similar to the msx. And hopefully in a beginner friendly manner! Thank you to everyone who has helped my reach my decision! I will update sometime later congratulations! let us know what you think of it when you get it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maartenv Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Good luck getting started! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US69 Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 (edited) 18 hours ago, Gundars Balodis said: Well, as i said earlier, I bought my KS from Ali, and have no problems with it, wheel itself, despite the fact that it was sold on Ali, is made for export, not for China mainland, and it came from Spain. And the most important, it 400 euro cheaper than cheapest wheel I have seen from EU "exclusive" sellers. Yeah, good Job! But germany does not Count as "exclusive" Country anyway, so where no Problems to exspect. Then lets press thumbs you need no real warranty! Just a question: How do you think that it "is made for Export"? My guess is the ali-Seller said that? 8 hours ago, Thatmustache said: Hey just in case anyone is wondering, after going back and forth more than 50 times, I decided on, and just ordered the Kingsong 18XL Although i think the MSX looks like a beast of a machine, im confident that the 18xl can do everything I need it and want it to do, similar to the msx. And hopefully in a beginner friendly manner! Thank you to everyone who has helped my reach my decision! I will update sometime later Good Choice...hope you like it! In Case of Problems...i am here! Edited July 10, 2019 by US69 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundars Balodis Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 2 hours ago, US69 said: Just a question: How do you think that it "is made for Export"? My guess is the ali-Seller said that? Yes, he did, and I had to first believe him, but wheel really came from Spain, labeling is "KingSong" not "KS", of course I can't be 100% sure, but it works, I have almost 400km behind, so far without problems. Yes, I certainly risk with a guarantee, but who said that I should believe the local hagglers, who can't even make a proper website and selling the same wheel but 600 euros more expensive, or you guys do not believe that there are decent people among the Chinese? Maybe later I will be disappointed, but so far I can’t say anything bad about him, and don’t want to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benphysics Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 On 7/8/2019 at 10:59 PM, Thatmustache said: @Benphysics what's the status on your KS18xl? Have you made any progress and got it working? No, it seems that Kingsong's authentication site (channel) has been down for the last 4 days??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US69 Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 22 hours ago, Gundars Balodis said: Yes, he did, and I had to first believe him, but wheel really came from Spain, labeling is "KingSong" not "KS", of course I can't be 100% sure, but it works, I have almost 400km behind, so far without problems. Yes, I certainly risk with a guarantee, but who said that I should believe the local hagglers, who can't even make a proper website and selling the same wheel but 600 euros more expensive, or you guys do not believe that there are decent people among the Chinese? Maybe later I will be disappointed, but so far I can’t say anything bad about him, and don’t want to. I absolutly have Nothing against ali-sellers in general….earlier i also bought my wheels on Ali, and never had Problems with KingSong wheels, but in the meanwhile i changed my mind. That the Wheel Comes from Spain has one of two reasons: First, the seller might have a warehouse there. Second: He might have a spanish Partner just transfering the wheel . Both Methods are just to ensure that german custom and taxes are betrayed, as only with this method you dont have to pay custom and taxes…. The newest Kingsong wheels dont have "KS" anymore as label. But no, chinese sellers, dont get "Export" versions :-) Spanish Warehouse Sounds like Yi Chen/Rockwheel Store or even a bigger Ali seller like Daibot…. Dont get me wrong...most important is that you are happy with your Wheel, i am not blaming anyone :-) But the Price difference in Europe is not that big as you think...you must ask the Right People Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundars Balodis Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 3 hours ago, US69 said: But the Price difference in Europe is not that big as you think...you must ask the Right People Maybe you're right, but, honestly, I did look everywhere, Germany, Ireland, England, Poland..., prices are slightly different, but all above 2000 euro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundars Balodis Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 3 hours ago, US69 said: First, the seller might have a warehouse there. Second: He might have a spanish Partner just transfering the wheel . Both Methods are just to ensure that german custom and taxes are betrayed, as only with this method you dont have to pay custom and taxes…. and how he, interestingly, get these wheels to Spain without paying taxes, one by one as a gift? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US69 Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 19 minutes ago, Gundars Balodis said: and how he, interestingly, get these wheels to Spain without paying taxes, one by one as a gift? Choosing the country which has the worst custom controls....when sending them stating them worth only a 100bucks or so...so that they run under “not worth checking”... i have ordered 4-5wheels myself from Alisellers....they have the whole repertoire to get it around custom/taxes! but can also run bad, as none of this is really legal! my latest Ali wheel was a MSX...promised as always as no custom/taxes , too! I received it at home door....free. than one week later I received a bill by UPS, which paid MY taxes/bills. So that I need to pay taxes for the 150dollar worth MSX wheel....about 100Euro extra for me! No chance to get around this UPS bill! Seller comment: “oh, Sorry bad luck for you” ....100extra Euro? gone.... and btw one of the most recommended AliSellers here: Green Fashion traveling. and maybe this does not belong here, but: if we continue disrespecting our local sellers and economy.....in the end it will come that far that we will NOT have a ReWe or Obi or Bauhaus or car garage workshop around the corner anymore....as they will all be bankrupt as they can’t compete with ordering directly from China! And yeah, my main job will probably be gone then, too....then I will be that poor that I HAVE to order all and everything out of China.... just saying 😬 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikber Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 @US69 If you have a good tip of where to buy a ks18xl in Europe (I live in sweden) please write here or PM me. I want to buy one asap. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundars Balodis Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 34 minutes ago, US69 said: if we continue disrespecting our local sellers and economy.....in the end it will come that far that we will NOT have a ReWe or Obi or Bauhaus it's not about disrespect, it's about price, I just can't afford to be a patriot, if I see 1600 from Ali and 2200+ from local seller, that's quite a difference for me with my "huge" salary, and this is my first wheel, I didn't even know if I will like it, so it was, lets say "test shot", next wheel I'll buy from locals (though I don't have any locals nearby). And what very important to, in our country we never know when it will be taken away from us by officials, we're outlaws btw. I don't realy care about REWE, im shopping in Lidl and Kaufland, REWE ist teuer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US69 Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 Just now, Gundars Balodis said: it's not about disrespect, it's about price, I just can't afford to be a patriot, if I see 1600 from Ali and 2200+ from local seller, that's quite a difference for me with my "huge" salary, and this is my first wheel, I didn't even know if I will like it, so it was, lets say "test shot", next wheel I'll buy from locals (though I don't have any locals nearby). And what very important to, in our country we never know when it will be taken away from us by officials, we're outlaws btw. I don't realy care about REWE, im shopping in Lidl and Kaufland, REWE ist teuer. Hey, as said: That is Absolutly not meant bad or bullying to you in any Way! As said, i have bought 4-5 wheels on ali myself. It can work out all well...but it can go bad, too. And yeah! i agree that i wouldnt pay that difference, too! For next wheel...contact me before ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundars Balodis Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, US69 said: It can work out all well...but it can go bad, too. is there really big difference between "KS" and "KingSong", and how can you really say which is which when labeling is the same now, I got big pedals from that guy too, but I'm a bit confused (well, it's my first wheel), in the hole for the axis on small pedals bolt thread is on both sides, on big pedals only on one side, so it should be? Or is it a defect? Theoretically, if you cut the axis itself a bit, then you can tighten the bolt on one side only because the axis does not pass through the other side. It seems that I have first problem with Ali. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US69 Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Gundars Balodis said: there really big difference between "KS" and "KingSong", and how can you really say which is which when labeling is the same now, I got big pedals from that guy too, but I'm a bit confused (well, it's my first wheel), in the hole for the axis on small pedals bolt thread is on both sides, on big pedals only on one side, so it should be? Or is it a defect? No no, thats all fine. The bigger pedals only have one thread! There is no KS and KingSong version anymore...only one. So all is fine with your wheel...i only had to smile hearing its a „export“ version :-) Kingsong differs those wheels only by their serial number. They know what goes to europe/US...and what was sold in China. But dont worry, your wheel is as good as all other K8ngsong wheels! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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