Popular Post UniVehje Posted July 8, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 8, 2019 36 minutes ago, Thatmustache said: Do you have any experience with off roading on the Kingsong 18xl? It is a very compelling choice! I do. It's extremely good for off roading. And so is MSX. These are probably the two best options for it available right now. MSX has the fatter tire which helps in extreme conditions but it's not like 18XL is bad either. Are you focusing mainly on off roading? If not, I think you are looking at a wrong comparison. For mixed riding both would be more than enough on off road parts. I get that the decision between these two wheels is very difficult. The good news is that you will make a good choice in any case. But finding the one even better suited for you depends on many things. The reason different people like one over the other comes down to riding style, usage, location, physical size etc. For example I'm on the shorter side with short legs and a narrower wheel body fits me better and I always feel like the MSX is too wide for me. A person with long legs might not care about it. I've ridden the MSX a few times also and I have no complaints. It's a nice wheel. But like @mrelwood said earlier, it might not be as comfortable out of the box. The version @mrelwood rides is extremely nice but I would not change my 18XL to an MSX that is not customized. It just doesn't fit my needs as well. I love off roading the most but also use the wheel for errands, work, commute, etc. That's why I find value in a good trolley handle, comfort, large pedals, lift sensor on the handle. Yes, if there was a choice, I would take the 18XL with the MSX tire. But in the end it's always a compromise and you have to find out which suits you better. Spec sheets and video comparisons won't help if you don't know what you like. So my point is: it will take you a long time before you reach the limits of these two wheels! You will not be able to over heat the 18XL without trying very hard and having the skill to ride those hills. You will not (and should not for some time) find 50 km/h limit on the KS too slow for a while. You will not have the skills to ride the off road paths where you'd wish for a fatter tire for a while. You will not benefit from the better range of the KS without training your feet to go for many hours a day first. That's why focusing on which has a bigger number will not be the answer for you. There really is no right or wrong answer. Both are great and you will love either one. Go with the one that is easier for you to learn on. KS is definitely a little bit more refined IMO. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thatmustache Posted July 8, 2019 Author Share Posted July 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, meepmeepmayer said: LOL @Thatmustache confused yet? Truth is, you can only make one of two right choices. Both wheels are great. Trust your gut and go with the one you secretly want more. Confused would be an understatement! Lol Yes I do believe that they are both right choices. Do you @meepmeepmayer own both of them? And that makes sense to go with the one I secretly want more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Just now, Thatmustache said: Yes I do believe that they are both right choices. Do you @meepmeepmayer own both of them? Haven't even tried either of them I just read what people on this forum say about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniVehje Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Let me continue a bit... The wheel you ride is supposed to become an extension of your body. You must be one with the wheel. It will take some time to get used to it but after that any other wheel will feel foreign and wrong. The wheel must fit you. Just like the best shoes on the spec sheet will not work if they don't fit you and your needs. So here's my attempt to help with your decision: If you are very tall, go for the MSX. If you are short, the 18XL will probably fit you better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thatmustache Posted July 8, 2019 Author Share Posted July 8, 2019 @UniVehje Thanks for all the great input! @meepmeepmayer I think I secretly might want the MSX, but I am on the shorter side aswell, with not very long legs, will this affect my ability to ride it, or enjoyment thereof? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadRunner Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 I personally think you should go with the 18XL because I think it will be easier to learn on. I never tried any other wheels then the ones i have so no comparisons but the XL has everything I can ask for and the 18XL as a beginner wheel is freaking awesome. I mean really we are comparing gold with gold here, MSX or 18XL they are both great wheels but i still think as a 1st wheel the 18XL is better. I ride street and off-road, well more off-road and deep in the woods because iam a criminal here in Germany for riding EUC , but yeah i have some big fun with that thing going on trails in the woods. For me it’s the perfect machine 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Just now, Thatmustache said: @meepmeepmayer I think I secretly might want the MSX, but I am on the shorter side aswell, with not very long legs, will this affect my ability to ride it, or enjoyment thereof? The secretly want thing is important because it encompasses all the subconscious aspects you might care about, especially ergonomics (and looks). Never heard that the MSX might be too wide(?) for shorter people. Maybe some shorter people with MSX experience can tell if that's a thing, I have no idea. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniVehje Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Thatmustache said: I think I secretly might want the MSX, but I am on the shorter side aswell, with not very long legs, will this affect my ability to ride it, or enjoyment thereof? No, not by much. With shorter legs a wider body puts your legs in a larger angle than it would for a tall person. But the differences are very small. If you secretly want the MSX then that's what you should buy! It's supposed to make you happy. In the end you will not buy the one you don't like. There's no reason to not follow your feelings here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thatmustache Posted July 8, 2019 Author Share Posted July 8, 2019 1 minute ago, RoadRunner said: I ride street and off-road, well more off-road and deep in the woods because iam a criminal here in Germany for riding EUC , but yeah i have some big fun with that thing going on trails in the woods. For me it’s the perfect machine Awesome, it works fine off road and through forests for you? If it can perform similar to the MSX in off road capabilities then that is reassuring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniVehje Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 1 minute ago, meepmeepmayer said: Maybe some shorter people with MSX experience can tell if that's a thing It's just my theory on why I always enjoy thin wheels. Could be also because I learned on thin wheels. There is some logic behind it, though. When I've tried the MSX I first noticed that it's wide. But that's not surprising when I usually ride a narrow wheel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maartenv Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, meepmeepmayer said: Never heard that the MSX might be too wide(?) for shorter people. Maybe some shorter people with MSX experience can tell if that's a thing, I have no idea. I’m 168cm and ride an msx. In any case, you can’t go wrong it seems with these two options. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniVehje Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, Thatmustache said: Awesome, it works fine off road and through forests for you? If it can perform similar to the MSX in off road capabilities then that is reassuring It will perform well enough to have a lot of FUN in the forest! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniVehje Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, RoadRunner said: I mean really we are comparing gold with gold here, MSX or 18XL they are both great wheels but i still think as a 1st wheel the 18XL is better. I agree with this. Objectionally the 18XL is probably easier as a first wheel. But I would still recommend going with the one you love. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadRunner Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 @UniVehje is that you in the video Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniVehje Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Just now, RoadRunner said: @UniVehje is that you in the video yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadRunner Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 @UniVehje dude you’re killing those trails, nice one. I think i could have some fun riding with you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadRunner Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 So there you go @Thatmustache 18XL off-road approved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Everyone is just going to recommend the wheel they would buy (or have). In that vein, the MSX has more pure raw power, a bit more top speed (58kph at full battery), and more manliness (according to Marty) Make sure to buy the 84V 1600Wh one for the range and a little more torque, not the 100V 1230Wh one (a little less torque, even higher top speed of 69kph). There's also a special 100V 1845Wh MSX, but that is probably disproportionately extra $$$. Your decision 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thatmustache Posted July 8, 2019 Author Share Posted July 8, 2019 Anyone know the difference in range between the MSX and ks18xl? I know it's not drastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Thatmustache said: Anyone know the difference in range between the MSX and ks18xl? I know it's not drastic. The KS18XL will give you about 10% more, based on my tests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundars Balodis Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 1 hour ago, RoadRunner said: I ride street and off-road, well more off-road and deep in the woods because iam a criminal here in Germany for riding EUC Yes, it is unfortunately true, here in Germany we better avoid cities and densely populated areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erk1024 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Wow. This is a long thread already! A couple of us used Kingsong 18XL's as learning wheels... might be worth a read for perspective on the 18xl specifically, or learning to ride a big wheel in general: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrelwood Posted July 8, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 8, 2019 I have ridden my MSX for 6000km, a lot of it off-road. I have tried the 18XL a few times. The comfort of the 18XL with the large pedals is magnificent. Leg contact point is smooth and reaches higher. The wheel rides smoother, and the range is a good amount better. The wheel requires less physical input from the rider to accelerate fast. The wheel is more refined in many ways, especially the trolley handle design. The MSX has a boxy shape that digs in your leg at the contact point, which is also lower making it dig in with more force. The pedals are smaller, and on my MSX the dihedral angles were different on the left and right pedal. The wheel growls at low speed when pushed, and vibrates noticeably up to 30km/h. The trolley handle is a nightmare even after using it actively for a year. The shell is made of a more brittle plastic than KingSongs. But the MSX has rock hard pedal modes, and more raw power. That is why most seasoned riders prefer it. Large wheels react slower to a beginners twitchy input, which is why they are not at all a bad choice for a beginner. For the first wheel, definitely the 18XL over MSX. For the only wheel, also 18XL. For a multi-purpose wheel that is very fluent both on and off road, 18XL. I do love my wheel though. But it has required several laborous modifications for me to be able to do so. The 18XL? Great right out of the box. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nils Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 22 hours ago, US69 said: It seams that some infos are really, really misinterpreted.... Ok, to clear things up: As someone else said, KS (and GW an IM and all) dont like grey imports! So the ONLY thing that is kinda Locked, is that Chinese Serial number (aka grey imported) wheels will NOT allow you to set the speed....and that does ONLY not work in countrys with EXCLUSIVE sellers....for example in France! Wheels from Other countrys work EVERYWHERE....so it also does not affect second hand market. And NO ...the app does NOT need to „phone home to china or make contact with a KS official“ So, to avoid any real, real misinterpretations in the future, and for the benefit of everyone in the forum, could you indulge me further? Now, my understanding after reading your post is as follows: - Only people who have bought a KS wheel intended for the Chinese market with a Chinese serial number (e.g. from AliExpress or somewhere similar) will receive the message "The verchilce isn' t in accordance with the country, please contact the local dealers" [sic] when attempting to adjust speeds from the app. - If you bought a wheel intended for any other market than the Chinese one, you would not receive the above message in any circumstance, even if your local country has an exclusive seller and you bought it from a seller in another country Is this a correct understanding? As for the last quoted statement of yours, I still presume the app will make a call to China for the registration, or is this incorrect? For "make contact with a KS official" I'd assume that refers to my earlier post, which in turn came from posts by @Micheal Shen where users were instructed to contact him in order to have him "release your wheel according to the serial number and your case", i.e .not related to the app per se. Presumably then this would only ever happen for grey imports? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thatmustache Posted July 9, 2019 Author Share Posted July 9, 2019 So my wheel will be grey imported, (I'm getting it from aliexpress) can I adjust the speed settings with third party apps then? Like WheelLog? @US69 Will anything else be affected if I order a KS18xl from aliexpress.com? I'm also just looking for clarification, thanks! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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