zentype Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 I'm close to purchasing a Msuper High Speed fairly soon depending on some things.. And one of my concerns is the lack of torque some have mentioned. Are there any who have ridden the Msuper High Speed version and can comment on how the torque compares to the Ninebot E+?I'm about 88kg / 195lbs .. I find the ninebot can handle pretty steep hills at my weight. If the msuper's torque is close to the E+, I'd be happy. If the torque were more I wouldn't be concerned at all. Any Msuper HS owners run into a hill they couldn't climb? But could with ease using "lesser" wheels? The High speed is the main reason I'm considering the Gotway... Even risking the lack of pedal tilt back safety features. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbouju Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Even the HS model of the G18 will be a better climbing wheel than the 9BotE+, I'm sure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlymex Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 I tried MSuper MS and 9BotE，9BotE is superior than MSuper MS as far as torque is concerned.I weigh 72kg and I cannot make 9BotE yield by steping it hard back and forth on a slop, but I can make MSuper yield.http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTMxMDIzMjQ5Ng==.htmlOn this video, Xima Lhotz HS gives in easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zentype Posted October 13, 2015 Author Share Posted October 13, 2015 Interesting, I wonder if this has to do with the lever effect of 18" wheels that I've read about here... I wonder if the KS 18" would exhibit similar performance.How does the msuper compare to the Xima Lhotz in terms of failure point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlymex Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 By slope test and/or steep slope climbing, I rate the torque as follow:9Bot1E > IPS 122 = Xima Lhotz > Gotway MCM2 > Gotway MSuper MS > Xima Lhotz HSI tried KS18 SE as well but because the paddle is too short, I cannot get a definite answer, I guess its in between Gotway MSuper MS and Xima Lhotz HS.The give-in point is not a failure, the torque just reached to its maximum and the paddle will goes down when I put more force, but even though, the paddle still provide near maximum force and will bounce back as soon as I withdraw a little. In real climbing situations, I experience this several times, I can save it(without dismount) for about one third occasions.The steep slope I am talking about is like the photo below, that's me on my IPS 122. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zentype Posted October 14, 2015 Author Share Posted October 14, 2015 So if I understand correctly, the wheel will continue to climb, but any further pressure on the pedals will just cause it to tilt forward, is that right?By slope test and/or steep slope climbing, I rate the torque as follow:9Bot1E > IPS 122 = Xima Lhotz > Gotway MCM2 > Gotway MSuper MS > Xima Lhotz HSI tried KS18 SE as well but because the paddle is too short, I cannot get a definite answer... Yes, the current pedal size (same size of the KS 14 which I own) of the KS18 is why I ended up choosing an msuper. The 18" has a smaller pedal than even the 16" Ninebot which to me was a deciding factor... And I see it caused you some issues as well.I'm hoping KS' new pedal design will address this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlymex Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 So if I understand correctly, the wheel will continue to climb, but any further pressure on the pedals will just cause it to tilt forward, is that right?Yes, the current pedal size (same size of the KS 14 which I own) of the KS18 is why I ended up choosing an msuper. The 18" has a smaller pedal than even the 16" Ninebot which to me was a deciding factor... And I see it caused you some issues as well.I'm hoping KS' new pedal design will address this.That's right.My friend added pedal extensions for his KS later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetricUSA Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Zlymex, you sure that is not Obama going up the white house steps???Is there not several modes to choose from? Soft/casual to hard/sport? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlymex Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 On 2015/10/15 at 9:57 PM, MetricUSA said: Zlymex, you sure that is not Obama going up the white house steps??? Is there not several modes to choose from? Soft/casual to hard/sport? Once I was told that the last emperor of China removed all the doorsills in the Forbidden City when he learned riding his first bike. Indeed there are several modes to choose from for 9Bot1 and Gotway EUCs(but not for IPS's). However, changing mode seems to have no effect on the torque. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Eekenulv Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 That's right.My friend added pedal extensions for his KS later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
castShadow Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 This is making me want to try the standard pedals! = )Shouldn't you just shift your weight forward regardless of pedal size? After all the guy who modified a Milbay/KS 18 to 26-inch seem to be using the standard pedals. When I go up a steep slope I worry about grounding my toes.I don't have an 18 inch yet to test though. I like to try things for myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlymex Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 This is making me want to try the standard pedals! = )Shouldn't you just shift your weight forward regardless of pedal size? After all the guy who modified a Milbay/KS 18 to 26-inch seem to be using the standard pedals. When I go up a steep slope I worry about grounding my toes.I don't have an 18 inch yet to test though. I like to try things for myself.Theoretically speaking, if you ride an EUC on flat surface with constant speed, the body weight can be regarded apply to the middle of the pedals(forward-backward direction point of view).If an alpha degree hill to be climbed with constant speed, one must shift the weight forward by D = R * sin(alpha)Thus, the shift of D is dependent on wheel size, large wheel need shift more for same slope. I often move my feet back a little on the pedals before decline on MSuper.For 18" wheel to climb 30 degree, you need to shift forward 9*25.4*0.5=114mm.In another word, KS18 needs 228mm pedal in lengh in order to climb 30 degree slope in constant speed.What is the actual length of it? perhaps only 165mm? If minus 10mm on each end for balance, that makes the max climb angle of 18.5 degree (=arcsin(145/18/25.4)). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drmrw Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Science! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpulseZeo9201 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 On 10/6/2015 at 10:52 PM, zentype said: I'm close to purchasing a Msuper High Speed fairly soon depending on some things.. And one of my concerns is the lack of torque some have mentioned. Are there any who have ridden the Msuper High Speed version and can comment on how the torque compares to the Ninebot E+? I'm about 88kg / 195lbs .. I find the ninebot can handle pretty steep hills at my weight. If the msuper's torque is close to the E+, I'd be happy. If the torque were more I wouldn't be concerned at all. Any Msuper HS owners run into a hill they couldn't climb? But could with ease using "lesser" wheels? The High speed is the main reason I'm considering the Gotway... Even risking the lack of pedal tilt back safety features. I am a 240lbs rider and recently purchased my first EUC from tec-toyz.com. I got a Gotway V3 and I took it up the steepest hills in San Francisco with no problems. From a complete standstill up famous Lombard street, no problems. I was also concerned with the torque but found it to be plenty. I do want to add pedal extensions though as my size 13 shoe could use some more support for more compfort and torque. Btw. Big thanks to Nevin from tec-toys for hooking me up. We met up and he fully inspected both me and my wifes wheel, threw in some free gadgets and even helped me get started cycling. If you want to buy a wheel you can know he looks at all the internal components and makes sure your EUC is build to last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomad Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 10 minutes ago, ImpulseZeo9201 said: I am a 240lbs rider and recently purchased my first EUC from tec-toyz.com. I got a Gotway V3 and I took it up the steepest hills in San Francisco with no problems. From a complete standstill up famous Lombard street, no problems. I was also concerned with the torque but found it to be plenty. I do want to add pedal extensions though as my size 13 shoe could use some more support for more compfort and torque. Btw. Big thanks to Nevin from tec-toys for hooking me up. We met up and he fully inspected both me and my wifes wheel, threw in some free gadgets and even helped me get started cycling. If you want to buy a wheel you can know he looks at all the internal components and makes sure your EUC is build to last. Nevin seems like a great guy, but when you met up did he really fully inspect you?! And threw in some free gadgets too!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 On 13.10.2015 at 3:01 AM, zentype said: Interesting, I wonder if this has to do with the lever effect of 18" wheels that I've read about here... I wonder if the KS 18" would exhibit similar performance. How does the msuper compare to the Xima Lhotz in terms of failure point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImpulseZeo9201 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 Yes but Im very attractive so I don't blame him for that Hes a good reliable guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxLinux Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 King Song KS18 a very very steep climb up the hill Wow, that is one of the best EUC hill climbs I've seen! I am a big fan of IPS 121 and Lhotz for hill climbing, but I have a feeling they could not quite handle this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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