Dave U Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, Jon Stern said: Oh, I used to fly r/c planes. But that was in Orange County where they believe safety nets are socialism, so they don't have 'em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 @Marty Backe Nevermind, it is the changed Wheellog algorithm that is responsible. I was looking for some interesting battery development. Looks like the Nikola, despite the higher current draw (?), might be just as efficient as the wheels before it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted July 27, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 27, 2019 2 hours ago, meepmeepmayer said: @Marty Backe Nevermind, it is the changed Wheellog algorithm that is responsible. I was looking for some interesting battery development. Looks like the Nikola, despite the higher current draw (?), might be just as efficient as the wheels before it. I'm convinced now that the Nikola is consistent with other Gotway wheels. And I just did a long ride on the Plus - outstanding. 47-miles of hard riding and I had 30-percent (under load) remaining. The time is now Meep for you to upgrade your ACM. Sad to say, but the ACM is due for retirement. Either the Plus or the 2100wh 84-volt version (whatever that's called). 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheelr Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 8 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: I just did a long ride on the Plus - outstanding Did you perceive any noticeable difference in how the batteries are balanced? In other words, does it ride the same as the 84v? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 22 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: The time is now Meep for you to upgrade your ACM. Sad to say, but the ACM is due for retirement. Either the Plus or the 2100wh 84-volt version (whatever that's called). I know. Still waiting to see whether the 84V will get the Plus treatment with the nicer charger and look. And whether the 16X is a torque revelation. And whether I find the money for the overpriced 100V or 2100Wh. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted July 27, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 27, 2019 15 minutes ago, wheelr said: Did you perceive any noticeable difference in how the batteries are balanced? In other words, does it ride the same as the 84v? I'll have a video with my observations, but the short answer is; I could detect no difference in handling/balance between the two wheels. So all is good on that front 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Farrenkopf Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 15 hours ago, Marty Backe said: Exactly But don’t rc planes fly horizontally and could hit you from the side? It’s not likely to come down vertically unless there is a mid air collision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheelr Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 10 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: I'll have a video with my observations, but the short answer is; I could detect no difference in handling/balance between the two wheels. So all is good on that front That's very reassuring. Thanks! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted July 27, 2019 Author Share Posted July 27, 2019 54 minutes ago, meepmeepmayer said: I know. Still waiting to see whether the 84V will get the Plus treatment with the nicer charger and look. And whether the 16X is a torque revelation. And whether I find the money for the overpriced 100V or 2100Wh. Why would you even consider the 16X? It's never going to complete with the Nikola for range. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted July 27, 2019 Author Share Posted July 27, 2019 42 minutes ago, Harold Farrenkopf said: But don’t rc planes fly horizontally and could hit you from the side? It’s not likely to come down vertically unless there is a mid air collision. Based on all the flying I've seen there the planes are all high in the sky. I imagine there were liability concerns so they built something for protection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 11 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: Why would you even consider the 16X? It's never going to complete with the Nikola for range. Maybe it will be a super-cool running mountain monster. And it's better built. Unlikely it will beat the Nikola for me, but who knows, miracles might happen... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anagnorisis Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Marty Backe said: Why would you even consider the 16X? It's never going to complete with the Nikola for range. Marty, I thought I read you were going to buy the 16X. If not for range, what will be your reasoning on buying a 16X? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patton250 Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 2 hours ago, Marty Backe said: Why would you even consider the 16X? It's never going to complete with the Nikola for range. Well so far it’s been just my observation but I think the 16X is a higher quality wheel than the Nikola. Faster too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketch Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Patton250 said: Well so far it’s been just my observation but I think the 16X is a higher quality wheel than the Nikola. Faster too Higher quality is debatable, but I don’t see how the 16x can be faster than the 84v Nikola. Kingsong’s 31mph limit and tilt back should keep it under the Nikola’s top speed. Edited July 27, 2019 by Sketch 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patton250 Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Sketch said: Higher quality is debatable, but I don’t see how the 16x can be faster than the 84v Nikola. Kingsongs 31mph limit and tilt back should keep it under the Nikolas top speed. It feels and looks of higher-quality and it’s definitely quicker off the line. The quality is that of the Z10 and it is definitely highly quality then either of my GW’s. IMHO. As for TopSpeed I can’t speak to that because I’m not ever going to go above 30 mph. And my 16X doesn't have an unbalanced wheel so I’m happy about that. I own all 3 of them by the way. Edited July 27, 2019 by Patton250 Added 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted July 27, 2019 Author Share Posted July 27, 2019 14 minutes ago, Patton250 said: Well so far it’s been just my observation but I think the 16X is a higher quality wheel than the Nikola. Faster too I really can't believe the 16X is faster than the Nikola, especially after you've used the battery for awhile. And the 16X won't even get close to the Nikola Plus. The bottom line for people shopping for speed is that Gotway is the only game in town. 1 hour ago, Anagnorisis said: Marty, I thought I read you were going to buy the 16X. If not for range, what will be your reasoning on buying a 16X? No, I have no plans on buying the 16X as I type this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted July 27, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 27, 2019 19 minutes ago, Patton250 said: Well so far it’s been just my observation but I think the 16X is a higher quality wheel than the Nikola. Faster too Please provide a detailed review/comparison. There's an extreme lack of information on the production 16X. Maybe people are so excited about the 16X that they don't have any time to post comments, videos, etc. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rywokast Posted July 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 27, 2019 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Patton250 said: Well so far it’s been just my observation but I think the 16X is a higher quality wheel than the Nikola. Faster too regular nikola can go 60+, 100V can go over 70.. there is no gotway wheel slower than its kingsong or inmotion rival.. even a tesla can do 60 on an high charge.. for gotway it all depends on your weight.. you have to listen for the beeps to discover your top speed.. kingsong just has a flat out safe hard limit for all riders up to their max recommended weight.. so say someone 325 lbs gets on a a KS18XL, they should be able to go 50 fairly safe... now what if im only 120 lbs, clearly my speed could be much higher but kingsong will still limit me to 50, whereas someone over twice my weight may be able to go 50 on a nikola, i would be able to go 60 or more before the 80% beep.. i totally agree on the quality though.. ive seen many pics inside of nikolas, quality is the last word that comes to mind.. even without having ever seen a single pic of the ks16x i could still confidently say it would be much better quality, as all kingsong wheels are.. gotway puts all of their effort into maximum results whereas kingsong is more balanced and inmotion is purely quality over max results Edited July 27, 2019 by Rywokast 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post UniVehje Posted July 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2019 4 hours ago, Marty Backe said: I really can't believe the 16X is faster than the Nikola, especially after you've used the battery for awhile. Looks like he meant quicker off the line. For me that would be more important. I never touch the 50 km/h limit when riding anyway. But the battery related throttling is not an issue with the 1554 wh new Kinsongs. The speed throttling only starts at 3.3v, the point where Gotways throttle the speed straight to 0. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted July 28, 2019 Author Share Posted July 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, UniVehje said: Looks like he meant quicker off the line. For me that would be more important. I never touch the 50 km/h limit when riding anyway. But the battery related throttling is not an issue with the 1554 wh new Kinsongs. The speed throttling only starts at 3.3v, the point where Gotways throttle the speed straight to 0. As someone who also rides the KS18XL, I can tell you that it speed throttles you (tilt-back) starting at ~25-percent whereas Gotway doesn't. On long rides this is a strike against KingSong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patton250 Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 5 hours ago, Marty Backe said: I really can't believe the 16X is faster than the Nikola, especially after you've used the battery for awhile. And the 16X won't even get close to the Nikola Plus. The bottom line for people shopping for speed is that Gotway is the only game in town. No, I have no plans on buying the 16X as I type this. Well what happens to the 16X when the battery runs low is it tilts back at lower speeds. Very annoying. But I know you knew that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UniVehje Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 44 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: As someone who also rides the KS18XL, I can tell you that it speed throttles you (tilt-back) starting at ~25-percent whereas Gotway doesn't. On long rides this is a strike against KingSong. Yes, exactly. 25% battery on 18XL is about 3.3 volts. That would be 0% on a Gotway. It doesn’t make sense comparing percentages. A better way is to think them both not throttling down to 3.3 volts and after that Gotway throttless to 0 km/h and Kingsong lets you still ride 40+ km/h and keep going. That is a strike against Gotway on long rides. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patton250 Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 5 hours ago, Rywokast said: regular nikola can go 60+, 100V can go over 70.. there is no gotway wheel slower than its kingsong or inmotion rival.. even a tesla can do 60 on an high charge.. for gotway it all depends on your weight.. you have to listen for the beeps to discover your top speed.. kingsong just has a flat out safe hard limit for all riders up to their max recommended weight.. so say someone 325 lbs gets on a a KS18XL, they should be able to go 50 fairly safe... now what if im only 120 lbs, clearly my speed could be much higher but kingsong will still limit me to 50, whereas someone over twice my weight may be able to go 50 on a nikola, i would be able to go 60 or more before the 80% beep.. i totally agree on the quality though.. ive seen many pics inside of nikolas, quality is the last word that comes to mind.. even without having ever seen a single pic of the ks16x i could still confidently say it would be much better quality, as all kingsong wheels are.. gotway puts all of their effort into maximum results whereas kingsong is more balanced and inmotion is purely quality over max results I meant out of the pocket. I have yet to see what the full speed of the 16X is because of the stupid safety on it. That and the battery charge was wrong so it ran out about 25 miles into my ride. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patton250 Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 5 hours ago, Marty Backe said: Please provide a detailed review/comparison. There's an extreme lack of information on the production 16X. Maybe people are so excited about the 16X that they don't have any time to post comments, videos, etc. Sure I’m excited but it’s a time problem for now. I’m only home on the weekends so my time is limited. I apologize I haven’t had time to do a detailed review. I’m not very good at that anyway. So far I’ve only put 25 miles on it because it died. It’s a sweet ride though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patton250 Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 5 hours ago, Patton250 said: Well so far it’s been just my observation but I think the 16X is a higher quality wheel than the Nikola. Faster too I posted this on the wrong thread. I shouldn’t post while riding. Lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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