Cracka Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 I'm new 2 Electric unicycles and was wondering if it's normal for the MSX to tilt forward when leaning into a turn then tilt back to were it was coming out of a turn? Feels weird 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted May 31, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 31, 2019 (edited) It's common. Whether it's normal is debatable. You can probably eliminate "pedal dip" (technical term ) by calibrating the wheel. Pedal dip can occur if the wheel was not plumb when it was calibrated. All Gotway (and KingSong) wheels use the same calibration process. Here's a short video I did awhile back Edited May 31, 2019 by Marty Backe 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 The pedal dipping is due to a bad calibration. The pedals should always be level, and will be after a good calibration. See the the beginning of this post: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cracka Posted May 31, 2019 Author Share Posted May 31, 2019 (edited) I recalibrated it five times took a short ride after each Cal it still does it. I also tried calibrating with a lean forward and lean backward angle and it would hold the angles that I calibrated to so it looks like it is calibrating. do I have a bad wheel. I also made sure that the wheel was completely vertical from side to side and kept it absolutely still. Edited May 31, 2019 by Cracka M 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cracka Posted June 1, 2019 Author Share Posted June 1, 2019 Man I'm bummed with this pedal dipping, it's hard for me to hold speed in a turn now that I'm getting better. I was hoping I could live with it but there's no way I can. I'm going to have to get it fixed. Thanks for all the support Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 54 minutes ago, Cracka said: Man I'm bummed with this pedal dipping, it's hard for me to hold speed in a turn now that I'm getting better. I was hoping I could live with it but there's no way I can. I'm going to have to get it fixed. Thanks for all the support BTW, is your pedal mode set to Hard? Maybe your expectations are off. I'm afraid that there is no fix unless there's really a problem. Hard to know based on your description. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seage Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 My pedals still dip in turns and stuff, haha. After i calibrate it stays stiff for like....10 minutes. Then goes back to tilting. Its not huge, but you get used to it. To the point that when it doesnt do it, you feel uncomfortable XDD 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cracka Posted June 1, 2019 Author Share Posted June 1, 2019 Yeah I really need to find out if this is normal and if it is I'll just have to get use to it. I tried all the different riding modes and it's currently in sport which I think is hard. So what bothers me is when I go into 180 degree turn the pedals start to dip which slows me down and to keep speed I feel like I have to lean uncomfortably forward. Then when I straighten up out of the turn the pedals are angled down and then they slowly raise up back to level as I go straight. It does the same thing in a 90-degree turn but not as bad and easily manageable. Am I just a noob 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Cracka said: Yeah I really need to find out if this is normal and if it is I'll just have to get use to it. I tried all the different riding modes and it's currently in sport which I think is hard. So what bothers me is when I go into 180 degree turn the pedals start to dip which slows me down and to keep speed I feel like I have to lean uncomfortably forward. Then when I straighten up out of the turn the pedals are angled down and then they slowly raise up back to level as I go straight. It does the same thing in a 90-degree turn but not as bad and easily manageable. Am I just a noob It's so difficult to diagnose problems (or to know if it's really a problem at all) based on descriptions. The English language is so inadequate sometimes I certainly don't experience the difficulties that you are describing when I turn on the MSX. When you say that you've tried all the modes (yes, Sport is the hard mode - pedals don't tilt at all), do you feel a difference? There should be a marked difference between soft and hard. There must be other MSX riders in San Diego. If nothing else maybe you can find one and compare notes. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cracka Posted June 1, 2019 Author Share Posted June 1, 2019 Yes I feel a difference in the modes the back-and-forth play changes from a little play to almost no play. Good idea I'll try to find someone in San Diego. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Does it only do it at slow speed when turning slow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PogArt Artur Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Cracka said: Yeah I really need to find out if this is normal and if it is I'll just have to get use to it. I tried all the different riding modes and it's currently in sport which I think is hard. So what bothers me is when I go into 180 degree turn the pedals start to dip which slows me down and to keep speed I feel like I have to lean uncomfortably forward. Then when I straighten up out of the turn the pedals are angled down and then they slowly raise up back to level as I go straight. It does the same thing in a 90-degree turn but not as bad and easily manageable. Am I just a noob I'm sorry but I've just spotted you've mention 180 degree turn... From my point of view it isn't turn,but straight line instead It's not meant to pick up on you, but to let you know to correct it I'm following your story, and I feel sorry for this issue... I hope @Marty Backe and others might be able to support you, while looking for the fixing... Unfortunately I can't be of any help, as I have no really experience my friend. I hope you can find the way to make it right, I mean the issue regarding tilting. Best regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 (edited) 45 minutes ago, PogArt Artur said: I'm sorry but I've just spotted you've mention 180 degree turn... From my point of view it isn't turn,but straight line instead He means going straight and turn 180 degree so he's then going the opposite direction 😊 It only does it on sharp turns but if you turn your body more it won't tilt as much , it only tilts forward more if your turning with your feet and not using upper body Edited June 1, 2019 by stephen 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cracka Posted June 1, 2019 Author Share Posted June 1, 2019 I thought because of the gyro the pedals should stay flat from front to back in a turn. mine clearly does not. Anyone have any ideas how I can find electric unicycle riders in San Diego? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cracka Posted June 1, 2019 Author Share Posted June 1, 2019 I does it at any speed when leaning to the side in to a turn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PogArt Artur Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 34 minutes ago, stephen said: He means going straight and turn 180 degree so he's then going the opposite direction Lol, so he's correct ! I'm sorry @Cracka, I got confused, as I wasn't considering you meant U turn by writing 180 degree turn... I simply thought @Cracka mistaken 90 degree for 180 degree , lol SORRY I bet I were focusing too much on the posts, and have missed the point! Thank you @stephen for sorting things out I'm following @Cracka issue, because I like MSX, and it was my plan A or B to upgrade... It might have took me more time to get used to riding it, but even I've chosen different wheel, I'm still fancy MSX for what it does Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Cracka said: I thought because of the gyro the pedals should stay flat from front to back in a turn. mine clearly does not. Anyone have any ideas how I can find electric unicycle riders in San Diego? You can use the Forum's search function to find members in specific areas. There are some active Forum members who ride in San Diego. They have group rides too If you can't locate them, let me know and I'll hunt down there names. But please try the search function first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cracka Posted June 1, 2019 Author Share Posted June 1, 2019 Thanks Marty I don't use forms often so I didn't know I could do that, I'll definitely use the search function. I'm going to run an experiment and use the level app on my phone to measure pedal tilt in degrees and post results. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cracka Posted June 1, 2019 Author Share Posted June 1, 2019 I did the level test using the Android app and it looks like it dips by about 5 degrees which isn't a lot but hard to tell because it bounces around a lot. I was able to carry speed much faster through turns today so I guess I'm getting better and just need to get used to the wheel i only have 30 miles logged so far. starting to realize I'm going a little loco with this pedal dip thing so I'm just going to ride and not think about it for now. Later on I'll try to hook up with the group ride and see what they think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Tucker Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Pedal dip is real and happens on every wheel I've owned. I have owned over ten wheels from 3 top manufacturers and bought from different vendors online. Some wheels have a very pronounced dip, others slight. I have tried calibrating and riding stock straight out of the box. There is no way to get rid of it. Sometimes calibrating seems to lessen the dip, but never removes it completely. Your body orientation can make a big difference. I find it best to just slow down on those sharp near u-turns and accelerate slowly out of the turn. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planemo Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Yep, I am confident that calibration makes no difference (at least on some wheels), although some would disagree. On my Z I have tried sensitivity from 0 through to 4, done multiple calibrations with the wheel absolutely still and upright in all planes and the pedal dip in slow, tight corners has always remained present. I don't find it a problem anymore (truth be told it was never a real problem anyway), it just seemed weird that it happens in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z3n Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 23 minutes ago, Planemo said: done multiple calibrations with the wheel absolutely still and upright in all planes and the pedal dip in slow, tight corners has always remained present. Have you tried this method? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planemo Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Yes, several times. The tilt remains. I think the only thing a calibration might help with is if the footplates are dipping unevenly between left and right turns - for example if you get say a 3 deg tip when doing lefts and a 5 deg dip when doing rights for the same given turn. The fact they dip is, I believe, inherent with the design/FW of a particular wheel and no amount of calibration is going to remove it. I have a feeling it might even be put there deliberately by design to assist the rider to negotiate the turn. As the wheel turns a tight corner, it will slow down. Adding pedal dips almost forces the rider to apply more weight to the front and therefore helps to maintain the same speed during the corner as the approach speed was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyboyEUC Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 18 hours ago, Marty Backe said: There must be other MSX riders in San Diego. If nothing else maybe you can find one and compare notes. He is the first MSX owner in San Diego. We've been waiting for one to show up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cracka Posted June 3, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 3, 2019 Here's a video of the pedal dip I might have to redo it because I'm still a little bit unstable on the Wheel I've only been riding it for 3 days. Also listen to the sound of the wheel there is like a slow pulsing sound in the motor is that normal. I'm such a delicate flower 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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