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The Government SCREWED US - Electric Unicycles Legal Situation

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1 minute ago, Siriussak said:

Stupid scum socialists, keep voting them in.

The problem with this is people actually invested a lot of money because of this, and now they risk getting it taken away because it is written in the law. Before it was a grey zone, and the police left us alone. 

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Henrik I’m sure a verbal warning would be issued before a ticket was presented. I hate maladroit laws and myself I would test the law.

Do you expect the officers would use radar guns to clock your speed? Why not try riding behind a fast paced bicycle. That would make it very difficult for them to isolate your EUC for exceding their newly adopted, reprehensible speed limit. 

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To be fair the banning of electric vehicles, cars excepted, is occuring everywhere with very few exceptions. It's not just Denmark that's entirely eliminating anything that's not a car. Even the venerable bicycle is being caught up in this ban; as consigning bicycles to a bike lane that's being used as a parking lane, then ticketing the bicyclist for moving around the parked cars is a virtual bike ban.

Car ownership, car usage, and miles driven, all by per person (per capital) is increasing worldwide. You'd think governments would be worried about this trend, but no, they are 100% committed to getting everyone in a car and paving every square foot of land with cement.

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There will never come a day when I believe government is anything other than an evil parasite on the people. I have no person in less regard or respect than a politician - except their liberal media stenographers. 

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Euc is still such a small community. And it is indeed the hardest to learn among all the electric scooters I can think of and thus people think it is the most dangerous one I guess.

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42 minutes ago, Rehab1 said:

Henrik I’m sure a verbal warning will be issued before a ticket is issued. I hate maladroit laws and myself I would test the law.

Do you expect the officers will use radar guns to clock your speed? Why not try riding behind a fast paced bicycle. That would make it very difficult for them to isolate your EUC for exceding their newly adopted, reprehensible speed limit. 

That is the whole problem, they don’t needs to measure us riding as the max speed of wheel is now limited to 20kph, they can just look at spec sheet or measure the max speed of the wheel.

I’m not sure what will happen but now the have the power to take the wheels away  from us. This could end up really expensive :-(

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42 minutes ago, Rehab1 said:

Henrik I’m sure a verbal warning will be issued before a ticket is issued. I hate maladroit laws and myself I would test the law.

Do you expect the officers will use radar guns to clock your speed? Why not try riding behind a fast paced bicycle. That would make it very difficult for them to isolate your EUC for exceding their newly adopted, reprehensible speed limit. 

That is the whole problem, they don’t needs to measure us riding as the max speed of wheel is now limited to 20kph, they can just look at spec sheet or measure the max speed of the wheel.

I’m not sure what will happen but now the have the power to take the wheels away  from us. This could end up really expensive :-(

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2 hours ago, tata said:

Euc is still such a small community. And it is indeed the hardest to learn among all the electric scooters I can think of and thus people think it is the most dangerous one I guess.

It may also be because it has a relatively weak lobby to target (of the e-vehicles).. certainly at the behest of the auto industry lobby.

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1 hour ago, Henrik Olsen said:

That is the whole problem, they don’t needs to measure us riding as the max speed of wheel is now limited to 20kph, they can just look at spec sheet or measure the max speed of the wheel.

Wow....Denmark’s police force must be highly sophisticated where they can easily pull up specifications for every EUC manufactured. Thank god officers in the US are preoccupied fighting real criminals. 

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:crying:

So sad Henrik. I hope maybe the police won't enforce the new rules.

Good luck with your efforts in changing the new rules :cheers:

P.s. The sound is great. That's what I do with all my videos. FYI, I bought some Dog Training Clickers that I use to facilitate synchronizing the sound in post.

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Not sure I understand the angst. Is a 20km/h cap  really the end of EUCs? Sure it seems a bit daft to cap some vehicles in shared paths and not others - it would be safer if all vehicles on a shared path travelled at similar speeds. From my experience I rarely exceed 20, my average is more like 12km/h on a typical commute. Cyclists regularly go cruising past me (them on the road, me on the footpaths). Here in NZ the transport authority is mulling over a 10km/h cap!

To clarify, yes I agree that the legislation is poorly drafted, but I don't understand how that correlates with the end of EUCs in Denmark.

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29 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:

It's all in the eye of the beholder, isn't it? You would have no angst. Great. But clearly many if not most people are and would be greatly concerned with such a limit.

All the people buying KingSong and Gotway wheels are not doing so because they enjoy being limited to 20km/h

I can understand why some would not be concerned with this. In return, I would hope those people would have empathy for the those who are affected.

A lack a empathy was not what I was going for, sorry if that's how it came across. I think, in my bleary-eyed Sunday morning state, it was the hyperbole irked me.

My personal advocacy position is that EUCs should be at parity with cyclists under the law, but all these countries seem to be pursuing them as "foreign" and "other" and "think of the children"  etc. Legislation invariably informed by/ influenced by people who have had no exposure to these wonderful creations - PEVs. 

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It seems to me the problem isn’t with the speed limit, its with how much speed your EUC produces. Forcing you to buy a underpowered EUC in order to be legal. That would make any EUC rider very upset. Underpowered = Face-plant...not good. 

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1 hour ago, Mono said:

Let's face reality. AFAICS, there is nothing particularly wrong with a law that limits by design the speed (and weight) of those EUCs that can be driven without requiring a drivers license. To think otherwise is, to all I can see, frankly, self-centered non-sense (sorry for the frank language). Sure, the specific limit that may be the best compromise (for all people involved with pretty different stakes) is up to debate and such laws are not relevant or necessary in areas where one single human lives in every other square mile. But the other half of humanity lives in quite densely populated areas and there is no realistic or even reasonable alternative to design limitations of EUCs used in public spaces, AFAICS (always happy to learn).

On a side note, claiming that EUCs don't have build-in speed limits because it "needs extra power" to sustain those limits doesn't work in favor of the credibility of the messenger. Neither is it true nor is it the reason. The reason why EUCs generally don't have more restrictive speed limits is because users don't won't them, it's not because speed limits are not technically feasible or unreasonably power demanding or even unsafe.

AFAICS, the only way how to win an argument here is to understand and accept that either EUCing remains a fringe phenomenon below the radar or there is no way around a speed limit --- and consequently the only argument to win would be an argument about the specific speed number. Otherwise, only EUC users will be able to take the arguments seriously.

I do agree that, requiring a high speed capable wheel, for safety is not valid. A wheel can have the power to go 50kph but a hard-code tilt-back speed of 20kph would certainly be doable and would not sacrifice the safety of the rider.

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1 hour ago, Sidewalk Enforcer said:

A lack a empathy was not what I was going for, sorry if that's how it came across. I think, in my bleary-eyed Sunday morning state, it was the hyperbole irked me.

My personal advocacy position is that EUCs should be at parity with cyclists under the law, but all these countries seem to be pursuing them as "foreign" and "other" and "think of the children"  etc. Legislation invariably informed by/ influenced by people who have had no exposure to these wonderful creations - PEVs. 

Understood.

From my perspective, Henrik's comments were not hyperbole. If I just discovered that California was passing such a law, I would literally be panicking because of how I was going to be affected. Henrik looked calm by comparison :)

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12 hours ago, Henrik Olsen said:

That is the whole problem, they don’t needs to measure us riding as the max speed of wheel is now limited to 20kph, they can just look at spec sheet or measure the max speed of the wheel.

I’m not sure what will happen but now the have the power to take the wheels away  from us. This could end up really expensive :-(

Good thing is you got your stolen wheel back.

If it had turned up 2 months later...they could have kept it.

I guess this is my last wheel trip to Denmark now for some time. Acutely sitting on the ferry to Denmark as I write this.

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So I went to Denmark today and bsck to Sweden again.

Comming bsck at nightfall around 23:40. I hot lost as I really don't ride much in central Gothenburg. It eventually ended up with me riding the the main party street.....

Right into the arms of 1 unmarked police car, 1 mc officer and 2 police vans and some normal police cars I think I counted like 3-4. And I immediately think ohh crap I am now double f...either something bad is going on and I am in the middel of it all or some officer will find time to entertain himself investigating what I am riding.

Luckely I were getting some direction from google maps in my helmet so I slowly crawled out of it all. You inspired me @PogArt Artur 😉

I really dislike riding nights afterajor rainfall, as you get water pools every where and you can't ser through the surface if there isud or a huge pot hole underneath.

I did manage to come home unscaved, with a fully loaded backpack and a sportbag over the side.

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The people defending the govt make me sick.you people are metnailly ill. The govt can say jumping off cliffs is good for you and you morons would defend it.

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