Popular Post RichieV Posted April 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 19, 2019 I was thinking about the newest ewheels coming out such as the Nikola and the KS16x and it seems to me they aren't so different from last year's offerings as to be considered next generation and should be considered as part of the current generation. So I wondered which generation of EUC are we in right now and I believe it's gen 4. I've created a table and lumped a bunch of models in the generation I believe they should be considered with each generation being separated by leaps in performance, styling, ergonomics, and other innovations. How close to the mark do you think this is? What innovations would a wheel need to be considered gen 5? Manufacturer 1st Gen 2nd Gen 3rd Gen 4th Gen Gotway MsuperV1 MCM1/2 MsuperV2 MCM3 MsuperV3 ACM Tesla MCM4 Monster MSuperX Nikola MCM5 King Song KS14 b/c KS18 a KS14 d/s KS16/16 s KS18 s KS18L/XL KS16X Ninebot/Segway One C/E A1/S1 One Z Solowheel/Inmotion Original Solowheel Solowheel Extreme V5/Glide2 V8/Glide3 V10 Miscellaneous Airwheel X3/X8 IPS 121 IPS 191/Lhotz Firewheel Rockwheel R16 Rockwheel GT16 IPS i5 IPS ZERO IPS S5 Rockwheel GT18 8 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrelwood Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 I think I would put the IPS Zero in the 2nd gen with the Lhotz, since I don’t see the design alone being a big enough advancement. If Inmotion succeeds in finishing the promised 18” wheel with suspension, that would surely jump to 5th gen. Other than that, we might see only small advancements for a few years which makes drawing the line tricky. Unless one of the manufacturers have gotten an out-of-the-box thinker in the design team, then we could see big surprises. While the 16X and Nikola don’t have fresh features or numbers, the combination of a 3.0” tire on a 2kW 16” wheel is quite a thing in my books. I think they might transform the 16” class to a new era. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tenofnine Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 Love this, been making my own but this is more comprehensive. It's also clear to see how much improvement to safety and build quality each gen made. Like almost everything from 3rd gen on I would recommend to anyone that wants a safe stable wheel. Even with how small the market is and how little competition there is...people like Kingsong and Inmotion still do exhaustive testing and engineering. Makes me really proud to be a part of this small world. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RichieV Posted April 22, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 22, 2019 Some further thoughts about the differences between the EUC generations as a general guideline. Naturally, some wheels aren't as easy to categorize as others and could easily be considered of a different generation than what I've listed above based on their unique criteria. 1st Gen A new method of transportation has been born, ushering in a new age. Too bad it doesn't go very far or very fast and isn't very comfortable. But nobody needs to go faster than 15kph, right? 2nd Gen We see manufacturers straying away from being just another Solowheel clone and experimenting with ergonomic design, more powerful motors, bigger battery packs, and adding bells and whistles such as lighting and integrated speakers. Ok, we can push top speed to 25kph (maaaaybe 30kph) but no faster because that's just crazy. 3rd Gen Manufacturers respond to the market which really seems to like flashy lights. Integrated trolley handles make their debut. Further improvements in motors and battery packs and the electronics robust enough to handle them make their way into production but there's still room for improvement. Yeah we get it, you want more speed and you want more distance; here's 35-45kph for you but maybe we can do better. 4th Gen High performance wheels come into their own as can be seen in the current offerings. Speed and power can be delivered safely, stably, and more comfortably with bigger pedals and refined algorithms. Still, innovations continue to pop up such as wider tires and dual motors and the jury's still out on what's going to make it to the next generation of EUC. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erk1024 Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 That's great information, thanks for putting it together. Maybe the Monster 100V would be a 4th gen wheel? It's gotten two rounds of control board enhancements, and it's the fastest wheel overall? I don't see the Z10 on the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Queron Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 @RichieV Verry interesting table, thank you for putting it together. IMO the 2019 Tesla (tubeless, insanely fast, lift switch, speaker) belongs to 4th gen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Daniel Queron said: IMO the 2019 Tesla (tubeless, insanely fast, lift switch, speaker) belongs to 4th gen. It's tubeless now? What kind of tire is needed for that? Whether the updated Tesla belongs to the 3rd or 4th gen can be decided by what board it uses. Old Tesla board -> still 3rd gen. Much better MSX style board or even Nikola style board -> definitely 4th gen. Though maybe the 3rd gen should be split in a good (3.2) and less good part (3.1). Tesla and the Kingsong S models are above the others. Edited April 23, 2019 by meepmeepmayer 3,4,5 - numbers are hard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutalo Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 On 4/19/2019 at 2:39 PM, RichieV said: I was thinking about the newest ewheels coming out such as the Nikola and the KS16x and it seems to me they aren't so different from last year's offerings as to be considered next generation and should be considered as part of the current generation. So I wondered which generation of EUC are we in right now and I believe it's gen 4. I've created a table and lumped a bunch of models in the generation I believe they should be considered with each generation being separated by leaps in performance, styling, ergonomics, and other innovations. How close to the mark do you think this is? What innovations would a wheel need to be considered gen 5? Manufacturer 1st Gen 2nd Gen 3rd Gen 4th Gen Gotway MsuperV1 MCM1/2 MsuperV2 MCM3 MsuperV3 ACM Tesla MCM4 Monster MSuperX Nikola MCM5 King Song KS14 b/c KS18 a KS14 d/s KS16/16 s KS18 s KS18L/XL KS16X Ninebot/Segway One C/E A1/S1 One Z Solowheel/Inmotion Original Solowheel Solowheel Extreme V5/Glide2 V8/Glide3 V10 Miscellaneous Airwheel X3/X8 IPS 121 IPS 191/Lhotz Firewheel Rockwheel R16 Rockwheel GT16 IPS i5 IPS ZERO IPS S5 Rockwheel GT18 @RichieV This is awesome. It might be cool to add year ranges and go full blown timeline 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erk1024 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 6 hours ago, Daniel Queron said: IMO the 2019 Tesla (tubeless, insanely fast, lift switch, speaker) belongs to 4th gen Do you have a link to these specs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoother Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 On 4/19/2019 at 7:39 PM, RichieV said: What innovations would a wheel need to be considered gen 5? Suspension. Anti theft/movement alarm locking ignition switch hole or lug for security lock/chain deployable stand headlight that can be moved to illuminate hills correctly tilt back that isn't sometimes tilt off Customizable warnings a la inmotion There's tons of stuff that isn't there yet. Well done, on the chart, very informative. 15 hours ago, erk1024 said: I don't see the Z10 on the list. One Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieV Posted April 23, 2019 Author Share Posted April 23, 2019 (edited) Some more thoughts. What is the defining representative model for each generation? Here are my candidates: Gen1 - Original Solowheel. Even though it was not sold in great numbers due to its price, it is the wheel that all the other first gen wheels were based on. Gen2 - Ninebot One E+. This electrowheel was king of the hill for a while and deservedly so with its beautiful design, innovative lights, and decent performance (for that time). Many forum members probably have fond memories of their E+ being their first love. Gen3 - I'm going to cheat and pick two. Gotway MSuperV3 and King Song KS16s. The KS16s probably more than any other of its generation was the spiritual successor of the Ninebot One E+ (edit: though now that I think about it, perhaps the Inmotion V8 has a better claim to that). Its styling is definitely influenced by the E+ but the integrated trolley and the improved performance and handling outclassed the Ninebot in all meaningful ways. The MSuperV3 is very different. It explored the high performance space and gave something to those with the need for speed while still being manageable size-wise. Gen4 - TBD! Curious to see how your opinion agrees or differs. Edited April 23, 2019 by RichieV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieV Posted April 23, 2019 Author Share Posted April 23, 2019 8 hours ago, Daniel Queron said: @RichieV Verry interesting table, thank you for putting it together. IMO the 2019 Tesla (tubeless, insanely fast, lift switch, speaker) belongs to 4th gen. 2 hours ago, meepmeepmayer said: Though maybe the 3rd gen should be split in a good (3.2) and less good part (3.1). Tesla and the Kingsong S models are above the others. Yes, the Tesla is one of those wheels that's harder to cubbyhole. It's kind of like Beethoven who was of the classical era but paved the way into the romantic period. If someone were to say that the Tesla was gen 4, my only argument is to ask if that makes the Nikola gen 5 (which I don't think it is). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Queron Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 @erk1024 No , I can't find official specs for this new tesla. What I said were just rumors that I got on the french forum. I hope they're true... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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