EUC Comparison Table (major updates)

[AtlasP]

 Edit: this thread is very old. This project now has a more up-to-date permanent/pinned thread in the "Which Electric Unicycle to get?" sub-forum over at: 

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(Long-time lurker, first-time contributor to this particular forum; be gentle.)

I created my own personal EUC comparison table (inspired by the one on eWheels.com, credit to them, but which I wanted to add things to/remove things from/generally rearrange & reformat) to collect my thoughts while deciding on my next upgrade as well as for helping friends with wheel recommendations.

Of course the choices regarding organization and color coding are based on my opinion--it was originally created just for myself and not with the intention to publicly share/post, but after spending so much time on it I figured some other people might be interested to use it as a reference. I am open to discussing the aforementioned choices/opinions, but not particularly interested in arguing or having to defend myself from attacks. ;-)

I would particularly appreciate help fixing any errors or verifying/completing any of the peach-colored, question-marked entries (with sources when possible, please).

Link: https://1drv.ms/x/s!Ag0ky7mWfH9cm9dMfvYothdqZtIsdw

Full disclosure: some of the store links at the very bottom of the table contain my referral id's--after all, this was partially created for me to be able to copy/paste links for my friends when discussing/recommending which wheel they should get. One can still easily use the table as a reference without ever touching those links if this bothers you.

Edited December 30, 2020 by AtlasP

[Dzlchef]

Definitely need to add the Gotway for a more complete chart. The 16S tire width is 2.125”. 

[RockyTop]

Looks Great!! Thanks.

My general observation on InMotion is that they exaggerate their capabilities much more than other bands. The numbers workout better if you assume that InMotion products (and older ninebot) are targeted for people around 145 pounds and the other brands are targeted for people around 190 pounds. 

[AtlasP]

I have begun adding more of the Gotways over to the far right--it wasn't something I was against, it just wasn't a priority when I originally created this. When I'm more confident with the readiness of that data I'll probably try to integrate/intersperse them more with the rest of the table. [Done.]

I appreciate suggestions to resolve the peach-colored, question-marked boxes, but please try to include a source whenever possible. (Not that I don't trust people's intentions, I just want this to be more trustworthy than merely "things people said on a forum"--although I recognize that this forum is more reliable than most.)

Regarding InMotion's manufacturer claims, that's kinda fair/it is at least certainly skewed towards smaller riders (as a smaller rider I find them pretty close for me), although note the eWheels estimated ranges are based on a travel speed of 15mph, whereas different motors/batteries might be more efficient at higher or lower speeds, and also we don't really know what methodology eWheels uses to create things like their estimated ranges or recommended weight limits (whether by empirical testing, or some basic mathematical principles, or just by 'feeling' in comparison to the range of options available). I tend to trust Jason overall, but that still doesn't automatically mean that any delta between his numbers and manufacturer claims is entirely the product of manufacturer exaggeration.

Edited April 19, 2019 by AtlasP

[esaj]

This might be of use for looking up the specs:

...Except right now their site seems to be down?

Edited April 17, 2019 by esaj

[Dzlchef]

1 hour ago, AtlasP said:

I appreciate suggestions to resolve the peach-colored, question-marked boxes, but please try to include a source whenever possible. (Not that I don't trust people's intentions, I just want this to be more trustworthy than merely "things people said on a forum".)

 

I gave the KS16S tire size because that's what I ride, newer 840wh.  I think you should also reduce the range to 30-35 miles, which should be more realistic unless you weigh nothing.   

[RockyTop]

Looking at the color codes the KS16s is the winner. 

I play tiddlywinks with manhole covers so lifting “heavy” wheels is not a problem for me.  

 I will stick with my MSX and KS18XL. 

[meepmeepmayer]

Nice work!

Some tiny tiny stuff:

There's no 84.2V. It's either 67.2V or 84V (16x4.2V or 20x4.2V).

16S has 64 cells (4*16).

Monster has no handle in any version.

Incline grade is mostly a nonsensical stat and should be removed from any serious comparison. What works depends on rider weight and for how long you ride that grade. Every wheel can do 100% for a few seconds.

If you assume there is a definitive authoritative "source" for true stats, you're out of luck. Even ewheel charts have some errors, the max weight stats are from "a customer had a crash that made me think he was too heavy for the wheel", and the manufacturers basically make stuff up after doing some random testing. Best info comes right from wheel owners on this forum here.

2 hours ago, AtlasP said:

whereas different motors/batteries might be more efficient at higher or lower speeds

Nah. Higher speed = higher wind resistance = higher battery usage/less range. That's all. All motors and batteries are pretty much identical in terms of efficiency. Some wheels (18XL) get a little higher range for the same battery size because they empty the batteries further than others (Gotway).

[Lefteris]

I don't know if it helps but we've started this back in 2016.

 

[AtlasP]

On 4/17/2019 at 11:13 AM, esaj said:

This might be of use for looking up the specs:

... https://www.electricunicycles.eu/product_catalog ...

...Except right now their site seems to be down?

Was just looking at that the other day and it indeed looks to be down today.

I was excited when I first saw their site which looks pretty slick, although I found their ranking system obtuse, and it contains a bunch of old models which just aren't relevant anymore and really get in the way, thus making it not actually that great for getting the big picture of current wheels (the compare feature is better, but cumbersome to use/cannot be reordered/etc).

Edited December 30, 2020 by AtlasP

[AtlasP]

1 hour ago, Lefteris said:

I don't know if it helps but we've started this back in 2016.

... https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1T9GZJGJf9V24WRLqzVIyXuIeax2mu3fG5fXzHchPMwk/edit#gid=0 ...

Thanks, I hadn't seen this one. Another that's hard to see big picture at a glance, but a good source for individual numbers/data/fact-checking.

[tenofnine]

Isn't the Gotway Nikola a 17 inch wheel? (geez what an ugly looking EUC)

On the V5F I routinely hit 16-16.5 mph with no problem until 35% battery. I'm about 170 pounds and I get 12 miles before 20% (what I consider critical),  so it's about a 13.5-14 mile wheel for me.

You really need the Tesla on that sheet, it's one of the flagship models for Gotway, Definitely was their first real move in a "safer" direction but still having performance in mind (highest speed, longest range for the price).

[AtlasP]

On 4/18/2019 at 3:40 AM, tenofnine said:

... Gotway Nikola ... (geez what an ugly looking EUC)

I will never understand this sentiment. Most everything Gotway has ever made has been ugly as sin *except* for the Nikola (edit: and perhaps the Monster, but which is just too gigantic for me that I kinda forget about it) which is their first step in a better direction. The logo on the side isn't great and especially the light-up logo/font for the tail-light is pretty hideous (waiting for a mod for that, should be easy enough to dremel out and replace with a plain taillight cover/lens), but otherwise it looks like a bigger brother to the Ninebot One S1/S2 which are some of the best looking wheels around (look-wise, disregarding their specs).

(This comment doesn't necessarily warrant a response; I don't really want to side-track this thread arguing about aesthetics versus the focus on specs; just something to get off my chest/contributing a differing opinion which I think belongs in the pile.)

Edited April 24, 2019 by AtlasP

[tenofnine]

34 minutes ago, AtlasP said:

I will never understand this sentiment. Everything Gotway has ever made has been ugly as sin *except* for the Nikola which is their first step in a better direction. The logo on the side isn't great and especially the light-up logo/font for the tail-light is pretty hideous (waiting for a mod for that, should be easy enough to dremel out and replace with a plain taillight cover/lens), but otherwise it looks like a bigger brother to the Ninebot One S1/S2 which are some of the best looking wheels around (look-wise, disregarding their specs).

(This comment doesn't necessarily warrant a response; I don't really want to side-track this thread arguing about aesthetics versus the focus on specs; just something to get off my chest/contributing a differing opinion which I think belongs in the pile.)

So the Nikola to me looks very tacky, overly flamboyant like it's the Ed Hardy of Electric Unicycles. Compared to every other Gotway wheel it looks try-hard, bulky, and bulbous. When the tire size and capacity get bigger I'm not a fan at all of the "Venn Diagram" EUC look (this and the V10F), it makes the wheel look awkward and unbalanced.

The MSX was a utilitarian exposed wheel (ala Solowheel Xtreme and NBz10)
The Monster is about as minimal as you can get with a tire that big

The Mten 3 is small, compact, and cute
The MCM5 is the only current GW wheel I don't like the design of....it's like a knock off carbon fiber egg with fake vents and stickers that fall off
The Tesla I actually really like since it looks like stealthy luggage or undercover high tech luggage. Not a flamboyant bulky wheel like the Nikola, but then again I think it's smarter to make a wheel look discreet and sleek in case they are illegal or draw too much unwanted attention (which can lead to being told off)

Gotway really need to get a new logo, and to an extent King Song also....the design and font of both devalues the wheel IMO. Takes a legit well made wheel and makes it look knock-off right away.

Edited April 18, 2019 by tenofnine

[AtlasP]

(Back on topic)

Update: I have completed adding the Gotways, etc for a more complete table.

I very much appreciate those who have helped provide clarification to resolve some of the peach-colored, question-marked entries, and am still eager to resolve those remaining if anyone else can help.

[Esper]

What type of organization is implemented in the Main Table chart? It looks as if a wheel was just picked at random then all the data was given. Is there a way we can sort it by Manufacturer>Year>Wheel Size? Or by Wheel Size>Year>Range? If there was a way I could just click on the side labels and arrange it myself, that would be phenomenal. 

Thanks for all the hard work you put into this!

[AtlasP]

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Edited May 15, 2019 by AtlasP

[AtlasP]

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Edited August 2, 2020 by AtlasP

[Esper]

I see it now. It's well designed. Thanks for the explanation, I wouldn't have seen it otherwise.

[AtlasP]

Update: I have added details on chargers (charging connector, stock charging amps, max charging amps of the available fast chargers). Could use verification on some of those, particularly the stock chargers for the 100v Gotways. (Or just pictures of stock power bricks would be helpful.)

I've also been trying to keep up on and add the Nikola Pro variations. (At first I just thought the Nikola Pro *was* the name for the 100v version of the Nikola, but now it appears that the Nikola Pro is a completely new model with both 84v and 100v versions. ...

Edited July 10, 2019 by AtlasP

[Mike Sacristan]

I have only found one Nikola Plus and that is the new black one with 100v 1845wh. Everything else is a Nikola.

Nikola Plus 100v 1845wh
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2019-Hotest-Gotway-Nikola-Plus-Electric-unicycle-100V-1845WH-3000W-max-speed-60km-h-battery-life/33031022213.html?spm=2114.12010108.1000013.3.380a4f28Wujg5L&gps-id=pcDetailBottomMoreThisSeller&scm=1007.13339.90158.0&scm_id=1007.13339.90158.0&scm-url=1007.13339.90158.0&pvid=87bfac22-9771-4fd9-9851-187dd39fccc6

Nikola 84v 1600wh
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Gotway-Nikola-newest-electric-unicycle-monowheel-balancer-84V-1600WH-2000W-motor-max-speed-50km-h-Bluetooth/32995639032.html?spm=2114.search0604.3.7.5991df2fFcGIT4&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_5_10065_10068_319_10059_10884_317_10887_10696_321_322_10084_453_10083_454_10103_10618_10307_10820_10301_10821_10303_537_536,searchweb201603_52,ppcSwitch_0&algo_expid=54390e59-ae7f-472c-b4ed-70165e793a2d-1&algo_pvid=54390e59-ae7f-472c-b4ed-70165e793a2d&transAbTest=ae803_3

Nikola 84v 2100wh
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2019-Upgrade-version-Gotway-Nikola-84V-2100WH-Electric-unicycle-monowheel-2000W-battery-life-160-200km-55km/33031466862.html?spm=2114.search0604.3.44.5991df2fFcGIT4&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_5_10065_10068_319_10059_10884_317_10887_10696_321_322_10084_453_10083_454_10103_10618_10307_10820_10301_10821_10303_537_536,searchweb201603_52,ppcSwitch_0&algo_expid=54390e59-ae7f-472c-b4ed-70165e793a2d-7&algo_pvid=54390e59-ae7f-472c-b4ed-70165e793a2d&transAbTest=ae803_3

Nikola 100v 1230wh
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2019-Newest-GotWay-Nikola-monowheel-electric-unicycle-100V-1230wh-speed-55km-h-2000W-motor-Bluetooth-speaker/33015160559.html?spm=2114.search0604.3.13.5991df2fFcGIT4&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_5_10065_10068_319_10059_10884_317_10887_10696_321_322_10084_453_10083_454_10103_10618_10307_10820_10301_10821_10303_537_536,searchweb201603_52,ppcSwitch_0&algo_expid=54390e59-ae7f-472c-b4ed-70165e793a2d-2&algo_pvid=54390e59-ae7f-472c-b4ed-70165e793a2d&transAbTest=ae803_3

 

[AtlasP]

Mike: interesting. I don't speak Russian, but this site (linked from the other Nikola thread) seems to refer to an 84v 2100wh Plus: https://ecodrift.ru/product/monokoleso-gotway-nikola-plus-2100wh-84v-black/ . The question is: is the russian link a mistake (that shouldn't say Plus), or is your third link a mistake that should say Plus and are all 84v 2100wh Nikola's Plusses, or are there now three 84v Nikola's (1600wh non-plus, 2100wh non-plus, 2100 plus)? I was leaning towards the second hypothesis as it would make way more sense to me (both plain Nikola and Nikola Plus, each with both an 84v and 100v variant), but then again none of this makes much sense. Might just have to wait for the dust to settle/maybe for Jason to get some kind of official interaction with Gotway to understand what the full lineup is?

Edited June 3, 2019 by AtlasP

[Mike Sacristan]

Yeah I checked out ecodrift.ru as well but didn't find anything conclusive except that they are all over the place. 

https://ecodrift.ru/?post_type=product&s=nikola

[meepmeepmayer]

• This table is fantastic and sits right on my browser speed dial! Thank you for making and expanding it!
• Can you add the real tire diameters for each wheel/tire type?
  Because tire sizes are all over the place compared to what the manufacturers say - which is just what the marking on the tire says. But this is neither the rim nor the outer diameter.
  For example:

  On 7/6/2019 at 1:24 AM, meepmeepmayer said:

  Funnily enough, I believe the "18 inch" Z10 actually has 18 inches tire diameter. Which would make the tire size about the same as the "16 inch" (17.75 inches according to @Marty Backe) Nikola or 16X.

  Not sure what the exact diameter of the "18 inch" 18XL or the "18 inch" MSX are in comparison, but they are significantly over 18 inches.

  On 7/6/2019 at 1:30 AM, fbhb said:

  Yes, it is exactly 18"  Just measured mine accurately for reference!

  Nikola/16X and Z10 have almost the same tire diameter. Not what you would expect looking at the specs!
  So the Z10 is confirmed at 18 inches real tire diameter.

[AtlasP]

On 7/8/2019 at 7:36 AM, meepmeepmayer said:

Can you add the real tire diameters for each wheel/tire type?
Because tire sizes are all over the place compared to what the manufacturers say - which is just what the marking on the tire says. But this is neither the rim nor the outer diameter.

I would *love* to be able to do this. The question is just how to source/vet the info. I do not trust crowd-sourcing self-submitted one-off answers (due to variations in methodology, psychological factors surrounding brand loyalties, etc). It would be great if I could get the majority of answers all from one source, for example if ewheels would do it or Marty Backe with his ~dozen wheels would do it. (Or maybe one person could do the measuring across a wide range of the wheels at one of the big group rides/events, although those scenarios tend to skew to the higher-end enthusiast wheels and would lack the low-to-mid end.) How do we make this happen or some equivalently more trustworthy scenario?

Edited July 10, 2019 by AtlasP