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Definitely need to add the Gotway for a more complete chart. The 16S tire width is 2.125”. 

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Looks Great!! Thanks. :thumbup:

My general observation on InMotion is that they exaggerate their capabilities much more than other bands. The numbers workout better if you assume that InMotion products (and older ninebot) are targeted for people around 145 pounds and the other brands are targeted for people around 190 pounds. 

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I have begun adding more of the Gotways over to the far right--it wasn't something I was against, it just wasn't a priority when I originally created this. When I'm more confident with the readiness of that data I'll probably try to integrate/intersperse them more with the rest of the table. [Done.]

I appreciate suggestions to resolve the peach-colored, question-marked boxes, but please try to include a source whenever possible. (Not that I don't trust people's intentions, I just want this to be more trustworthy than merely "things people said on a forum"--although I recognize that this forum is more reliable than most.)

Regarding InMotion's manufacturer claims, that's kinda fair/it is at least certainly skewed towards smaller riders (as a smaller rider I find them pretty close for me), although note the eWheels estimated ranges are based on a travel speed of 15mph, whereas different motors/batteries might be more efficient at higher or lower speeds, and also we don't really know what methodology eWheels uses to create things like their estimated ranges or recommended weight limits (whether by empirical testing, or some basic mathematical principles, or just by 'feeling' in comparison to the range of options available). I tend to trust Jason overall, but that still doesn't automatically mean that any delta between his numbers and manufacturer claims is entirely the product of manufacturer exaggeration.

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This might be of use for looking up the specs:

...Except right now their site seems to be down? :D

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1 hour ago, AtlasP said:

I appreciate suggestions to resolve the peach-colored, question-marked boxes, but please try to include a source whenever possible. (Not that I don't trust people's intentions, I just want this to be more trustworthy than merely "things people said on a forum".)

 

I gave the KS16S tire size because that's what I ride, newer 840wh.  I think you should also reduce the range to 30-35 miles, which should be more realistic unless you weigh nothing.   

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Looking at the color codes the KS16s is the winner. 

I play tiddlywinks with manhole covers so lifting “heavy” wheels is not a problem for me. :whistling: 

 I will stick with my MSX and KS18XL. :thumbup:

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Nice work!

Some tiny tiny stuff:

There's no 84.2V. It's either 67.2V or 84V (16x4.2V or 20x4.2V).

16S has 64 cells (4*16).

Monster has no handle in any version.

Incline grade is mostly a nonsensical stat and should be removed from any serious comparison. What works depends on rider weight and for how long you ride that grade. Every wheel can do 100% for a few seconds.

If you assume there is a definitive authoritative "source" for true stats, you're out of luck. Even ewheel charts have some errors, the max weight stats are from "a customer had a crash that made me think he was too heavy for the wheel", and the manufacturers basically make stuff up after doing some random testing. Best info comes right from wheel owners on this forum here.

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whereas different motors/batteries might be more efficient at higher or lower speeds

Nah. Higher speed = higher wind resistance = higher battery usage/less range. That's all. All motors and batteries are pretty much identical in terms of efficiency. Some wheels (18XL) get a little higher range for the same battery size because they empty the batteries further than others (Gotway).

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I don't know if it helps but we've started this back in 2016.

 

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On 4/17/2019 at 1:13 PM, esaj said:

This might be of use for looking up the specs:

... https://www.electricunicycles.eu/product_catalog ...

...Except right now their site seems to be down? :D

Was just looking at that the other day and it indeed looks to be down today.

I was excited when I first saw their site which looks pretty slick, although I found their ranking system obtuse, and it contains a bunch of old models which just aren't relevant anymore and really get in the way, thus making it not actually that great for getting the big picture of current wheels (the compare feature is better, but cumbersome to use/cannot be reordered/etc). I did pull the 'year released' row from there, though (and nothing else; I just couldn't find that info anywhere else consistently)--thanks for reminding me, I will add credit to them in my initial post.

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Isn't the Gotway Nikola a 17 inch wheel? (geez what an ugly looking EUC)

On the V5F I routinely hit 16-16.5 mph with no problem until 35% battery. I'm about 170 pounds and I get 12 miles before 20% (what I consider critical),  so it's about a 13.5-14 mile wheel for me.

You really need the Tesla on that sheet, it's one of the flagship models for Gotway, Definitely was their first real move in a "safer" direction but still having performance in mind (highest speed, longest range for the price).

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On 4/18/2019 at 3:40 AM, tenofnine said:

... Gotway Nikola ... (geez what an ugly looking EUC)

I will never understand this sentiment. Most everything Gotway has ever made has been ugly as sin *except* for the Nikola (edit: and perhaps the Monster, but which is just too gigantic for me that I kinda forget about it) which is their first step in a better direction. The logo on the side isn't great and especially the light-up logo/font for the tail-light is pretty hideous (waiting for a mod for that, should be easy enough to dremel out and replace with a plain taillight cover/lens), but otherwise it looks like a bigger brother to the Ninebot One S1/S2 which are some of the best looking wheels around (look-wise, disregarding their specs).

(This comment doesn't necessarily warrant a response; I don't really want to side-track this thread arguing about aesthetics versus the focus on specs; just something to get off my chest/contributing a differing opinion which I think belongs in the pile.)

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34 minutes ago, AtlasP said:

I will never understand this sentiment. Everything Gotway has ever made has been ugly as sin *except* for the Nikola which is their first step in a better direction. The logo on the side isn't great and especially the light-up logo/font for the tail-light is pretty hideous (waiting for a mod for that, should be easy enough to dremel out and replace with a plain taillight cover/lens), but otherwise it looks like a bigger brother to the Ninebot One S1/S2 which are some of the best looking wheels around (look-wise, disregarding their specs).

(This comment doesn't necessarily warrant a response; I don't really want to side-track this thread arguing about aesthetics versus the focus on specs; just something to get off my chest/contributing a differing opinion which I think belongs in the pile.)

So the Nikola to me looks very tacky, overly flamboyant like it's the Ed Hardy of Electric Unicycles. Compared to every other Gotway wheel it looks try-hard, bulky, and bulbous. When the tire size and capacity get bigger I'm not a fan at all of the "Venn Diagram" EUC look (this and the V10F), it makes the wheel look awkward and unbalanced.

The MSX was a utilitarian exposed wheel (ala Solowheel Xtreme and NBz10)
The Monster is about as minimal as you can get with a tire that big

The Mten 3 is small, compact, and cute
The MCM5 is the only current GW wheel I don't like the design of....it's like a knock off carbon fiber egg with fake vents and stickers that fall off
The Tesla I actually really like since it looks like stealthy luggage or undercover high tech luggage. Not a flamboyant bulky wheel like the Nikola, but then again I think it's smarter to make a wheel look discreet and sleek in case they are illegal or draw too much unwanted attention (which can lead to being told off)

Gotway really need to get a new logo, and to an extent King Song also....the design and font of both devalues the wheel IMO. Takes a legit well made wheel and makes it look knock-off right away.

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(Back on topic)

Update: I have completed adding the Gotways, etc for a more complete table.

I very much appreciate those who have helped provide clarification to resolve some of the peach-colored, question-marked entries, and am still eager to resolve those remaining if anyone else can help.

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What type of organization is implemented in the Main Table chart? It looks as if a wheel was just picked at random then all the data was given. Is there a way we can sort it by Manufacturer>Year>Wheel Size? Or by Wheel Size>Year>Range? If there was a way I could just click on the side labels and arrange it myself, that would be phenomenal. 

Thanks for all the hard work you put into this!

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The table is organized into what I consider the logical wheel 'classes' based on a combination of price/motor/overall size (but somewhat disregarding battery size as this enables keeping obvious pairings like the KS14D/KS14S or V10/V10F or KS18L/KS18XL together). Far from being random, the organization is very much intentional and was one of the main reasons I made my own table in the first place--to visualize them in this particular way.

The classes ended up being:

  1. ~$550/500W/15mph/14"/25-26lb
  2. MTen3 is a category by itself ($1k-class specs paired with tiny 10" wheel)
  3. Mostly $850-899/800W/18mph/mostly 14"/30-34lb
  4. $1299-1599/1200-2000W/mostly 22-25mph/mostly 16"/37-45lb
  5. New 16" ones/$1999/2000W/31mph/52-54lb
  6. 18"/$1920-2200/mostly 2000W/mostly 31+ mph/mostly 52-53lb
  7. "The weird tall ones you can sit on" ;-) (18-22"/mostly $1995+/30+mph/mostly 57+ lb)

Looking at it this way, the V8 has more (practically everything except for wheel diameter) in common with the KS14 iterations in the $800's and was placed in the third class, the MCM5 has more in common with 16" wheels in the $1300's and was placed in the fourth class, the V10(F) has more in common with other 16" wheels in the $1300-1500's range (not the 18", $2+k ones it's usually grouped with) and was placed in the fourth class, etc.

Further reinforcing my organization scheme, the color-coding (based on individual values/ranges) was done after the class groupings, and yet observe how neatly the colored bands coincide with the class groupings for the most part, particularly regarding price/motor/overall size.

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Unfortunately the Excel 'filter' option that enables you to dynamically sort/filter only works for rows and not columns. The only way to sort columns would be using the general 'sort' option but which requires write privileges. (And I think the particular data set makes more sense with the wheels as columns instead of rows.)

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I see it now. It's well designed. Thanks for the explanation, I wouldn't have seen it otherwise.

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Update: I have added details on chargers (charging connector, stock charging amps, max charging amps of the available fast chargers). Could use verification on some of those, particularly the stock chargers for the 100v Gotways. (Or just pictures of stock power bricks would be helpful.)

I've also been trying to keep up on and add the Nikola Pro variations. (At first I just thought the Nikola Pro *was* the name for the 100v version of the Nikola, but now it appears that the Nikola Pro is a completely new model with both 84v and 100v versions. So there is an 84v Nikola Pro in addition to the 84v Nikola, as well as the 100v Nikola Pro. [But no 100v version of the plain Nikola after all?])

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I have only found one Nikola Plus and that is the new black one with 100v 1845wh. Everything else is a Nikola.

Nikola Plus 100v 1845wh
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2019-Hotest-Gotway-Nikola-Plus-Electric-unicycle-100V-1845WH-3000W-max-speed-60km-h-battery-life/33031022213.html?spm=2114.12010108.1000013.3.380a4f28Wujg5L&gps-id=pcDetailBottomMoreThisSeller&scm=1007.13339.90158.0&scm_id=1007.13339.90158.0&scm-url=1007.13339.90158.0&pvid=87bfac22-9771-4fd9-9851-187dd39fccc6

Nikola 84v 1600wh
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Gotway-Nikola-newest-electric-unicycle-monowheel-balancer-84V-1600WH-2000W-motor-max-speed-50km-h-Bluetooth/32995639032.html?spm=2114.search0604.3.7.5991df2fFcGIT4&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_5_10065_10068_319_10059_10884_317_10887_10696_321_322_10084_453_10083_454_10103_10618_10307_10820_10301_10821_10303_537_536,searchweb201603_52,ppcSwitch_0&algo_expid=54390e59-ae7f-472c-b4ed-70165e793a2d-1&algo_pvid=54390e59-ae7f-472c-b4ed-70165e793a2d&transAbTest=ae803_3

Nikola 84v 2100wh
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2019-Upgrade-version-Gotway-Nikola-84V-2100WH-Electric-unicycle-monowheel-2000W-battery-life-160-200km-55km/33031466862.html?spm=2114.search0604.3.44.5991df2fFcGIT4&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_5_10065_10068_319_10059_10884_317_10887_10696_321_322_10084_453_10083_454_10103_10618_10307_10820_10301_10821_10303_537_536,searchweb201603_52,ppcSwitch_0&algo_expid=54390e59-ae7f-472c-b4ed-70165e793a2d-7&algo_pvid=54390e59-ae7f-472c-b4ed-70165e793a2d&transAbTest=ae803_3

Nikola 100v 1230wh
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2019-Newest-GotWay-Nikola-monowheel-electric-unicycle-100V-1230wh-speed-55km-h-2000W-motor-Bluetooth-speaker/33015160559.html?spm=2114.search0604.3.13.5991df2fFcGIT4&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_5_10065_10068_319_10059_10884_317_10887_10696_321_322_10084_453_10083_454_10103_10618_10307_10820_10301_10821_10303_537_536,searchweb201603_52,ppcSwitch_0&algo_expid=54390e59-ae7f-472c-b4ed-70165e793a2d-2&algo_pvid=54390e59-ae7f-472c-b4ed-70165e793a2d&transAbTest=ae803_3

 

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Mike: interesting. I don't speak Russian, but this site (linked from the other Nikola thread) seems to refer to an 84v 2100wh Plus: https://ecodrift.ru/product/monokoleso-gotway-nikola-plus-2100wh-84v-black/ . The question is: is the russian link a mistake (that shouldn't say Plus), or is your third link a mistake that should say Plus and are all 84v 2100wh Nikola's Plusses, or are there now three 84v Nikola's (1600wh non-plus, 2100wh non-plus, 2100 plus)? I was leaning towards the second hypothesis as it would make way more sense to me (both plain Nikola and Nikola Plus, each with both an 84v and 100v variant), but then again none of this makes much sense. Might just have to wait for the dust to settle/maybe for Jason to get some kind of official interaction with Gotway to understand what the full lineup is?

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