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Hello everyone, I already have two wheels the ninebot one s2 (for small trips) and an inmotion v10 ... I was looking for something more serious for longer journeys and also for use in the city what do you recommend between ... ninebot z10 - rockwheel GT16 and Gotway Tesla?

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1 hour ago, alex5454 said:

Hello everyone, I already have two wheels the ninebot one s2 (for small trips) and an inmotion v10 ... I was looking for something more serious for longer journeys and also for use in the city what do you recommend between ... ninebot z10 - rockwheel GT16 and Gotway Tesla?

I'd assume you don't want 18 inch, since you don't have the MSX and the KS18(X)L in your list? From the reports here, they seem to be the actual top recommendation for a serious wheel for longer journeys.

You don't want to wait for the new GW Nikolai or KS16X? They could be very promising wheels!

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I'd assume you don't want 18 inch, since you don't have the MSX and the KS18(X)L in your list? From the reports here, they seem to be the actual top recommendation for a serious wheel for longer journeys.

You don't want to wait for the new GW Nikolai or KS16X? They could be very promising wheels!

interesting kingsong KS16x, I wanted to stay on a 16 "maximum wheel, I could make an exception for the z10 ... but the other 18" are too big ...

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I don't know the details, but it seems that the z10's were being pulled from store shelves? I think Duf said that eWheels stopped carrying them because of Ninebot's refusal to send replacement parts, and so the only option was to cannibalize existing units. @Hsiang Also reported that Ninebot is getting out of the EUC business after the z10. I guess what I'm saying is that there are warning signs on the z10 front that you might want to look into before going that route.

There is value in having a trusted dealer that can get you parts or service if something breaks or you have an issue.

And as @Chriull said, if you're looking for a cruising wheel with power and range, the MSX, KS18XL, Nikola, KS16X and the Gotway Monster seem worthy of consideration. 

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1 hour ago, erk1024 said:

I don't know the details, but it seems that the z10's were being pulled from store shelves? I think Duf said that eWheels stopped carrying them because of Ninebot's refusal to send replacement parts, and so the only option was to cannibalize existing units. @Hsiang Also reported that Ninebot is getting out of the EUC business after the z10. I guess what I'm saying is that there are warning signs on the z10 front that you might want to look into before going that route.

There is value in having a trusted dealer that can get you parts or service if something breaks or you have an issue.

And as @Chriull said, if you're looking for a cruising wheel with power and range, the MSX, KS18XL, Nikola, KS16X and the Gotway Monster seem worthy of consideration. 

I understand what you say you're right but anyway I think that through Chinese online stores you will find the spare parts ... the KS 16x will be interesting ... but also tesla and rockwheel GT 16 seemed worthy of interest, I would avoid the 18 "for their size.

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Get a 1600Wh wheel!

No point in having another "low range" wheel when you already have two. All your options only are 1000Wh.

KS16X or Nikola (16 inchers), MSX or 18XL (18 inchers).

You won't feel the wheel size when you're on it:)

If you really want a small wheel, the only 1600Wh small option is getting and old ACM or better ACM2 somewhere. Maybe you can get a used one for a good price.

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Tesla seems like the best bang for the buck mid-high level wheel (but with top speed on par with the best)

I was strongly considering getting a KS 16S but the Tesla seems like a no brainer right now considering the nominal price jump.

I think the weight, range, and speed are hard to grow out of, for my needs it seems like an end game wheel (at least until it dies on me)

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Have you tried a KS18(X)L?  I thought I would never buy an 18" as it would be too big, and I was looking to buy a Tesla.  After trying out the KS18XL I found it to be a lot more agile than I expected (much better than the older ks18S, and surprisingly narrow, compact and comfortable) so I decided to buy one instead of a Tesla.

Now after doing 400km through London, I think it's the best commuter wheel out there! Best thing about the 18 wheel is the confidence it gives you riding at high speed, I've gone over pot holes I hadn't seen at over 40km/h and was fine, but I would have definitely come off if I had been on a Tesla.   

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On 4/15/2019 at 11:13 AM, Ronko said:

Best thing about the 18 wheel is the confidence it gives you riding at high speed, I've gone over pot holes I hadn't seen at over 40km/h and was fine, but I would have definitely come off if I had been on a Tesla.   

Would it be the ricochet off the pothole that would throw a rider off?

I'm curious to understand how planted the 16" Tesla would be over crappy streets. I get that the 18" should always win in terms of comfort. But does it mean that one would definitely come of from a pothole at 40kmh?

I noted the quality of the roads (in how crappy they can be) whilst driving in my car and wonder how that would affect an euc. Like what's upper limit for potholes in terms of depth/size to be able to run over on a 16" vs an 18"?

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So imagine a pothole of infinite depth (really doesn't matter)....let's say it's 6 inches wide at the point you hit it.

In an exponential way the bigger the tire the faster you go the less that pothole poses a threat.

At a slower speed you may dip into  it completely, but at high speeds gravity doesn't make you fall fast enough to out pace your forward momentum, so you can skip right over it or it can feel like a small driveway curb (cars can get damaged by the same pothole because they are so heavy and fall so fast into the hole). Now imagine an 18" wheel instead of a 16" wheel and it can be the difference between barely feeling it and it making you crash or popping you up in the air a foot (and probably causing a pinch flat).

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So imagine a pothole of infinite depth (really doesn't matter)....let's say it's 6 inches wide at the point you hit it.

In an exponential way the bigger the tire the faster you go the less that pothole poses a threat.

At a slower speed you may dip into  it completely, but at high speeds gravity doesn't make you fall fast enough to out pace your forward momentum, so you can skip right over it or it can feel like a small driveway curb (cars can get damaged by the same pothole because they are so heavy and fall so fast into the hole). Now imagine an 18" wheel instead of a 16" wheel and it can be the difference between barely feeling it and it making you crash or popping you up in the air a foot (and probably causing a pinch flat).

Ok, sure.

Do you think you already have a V10 ... does it make sense to take a Z10? For small trips I use ONE s2.
Maybe I'll wait for some new 16 "or 18" releases ... ( or nikola, Msuper X, KS 16X)

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1 hour ago, alex5454 said:

Ok, sure.

Do you think you already have a V10 ... does it make sense to take a Z10? For small trips I use ONE s2.
Maybe I'll wait for some new 16 "or 18" releases ... ( or nikola, Msuper X, KS 16X)

From everything I hear the V10 is one of the smoothest riding EUCs cause it has that fat balloon type tire. But even hearing how smooth it is for a 16 inch, it also seems to not be the most stable EUC since a lot of hardened city riders don't utilize it. The Z10 seems to have proven itself for that job since it's heavier, has a larger tire diameter, and is more "stable" at high speeds. I put stable in quotes because some seem to have issues with them out of the box and even someone like Hsiang has been thrown off it really badly once (seemed like it was the wheel's fault completely), and again when he hit a raised surface diagonally, and he gets some intense wobbles when he hits a pothole or uncertain asphalt. Plus there is the very questionable support and future of Ninebot EUC....

U-Stride has put the Tesla through it's paces (Marty has done extreme incline tests with it) and the current generation of that wheel seems to be very impressive. I've never seen U-Stride take a fall on Boston roads when it wasn't his fault (pushing top speed on lower battery). It seems to do extremely well for a 16 inch, but he might be leaving it's failures on the cutting room floor. It's the wheel I'm getting ASAP, I'll let you know my experience with it if you are still deciding by then.

The KS 16X seems like it will be one of the more stable EUCs, but I'd say right now the most trustworthy EUCs for high speeds on uncertain roads are the KS18L/XL, the MSX , and Monster.

But that is just from a ton or videos research and talking with people, not actual experience on those wheels.

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