monocle Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 (edited) I'm a new rider, so perhaps this makes less sense to me than to more experienced folks, but would someone please help me understand the "riding mode" parameter on the King Song (in my case, 16s)? My guess is that this refers to the onset time of braking and acceleration relative to balance changes. Naively I'm having a hard time understanding why the "learner mode" would be good for anything since it seems to imply an excessive delay between when one changes position and the wheel's response. But maybe it's a personal thing? After about a week riding I just remembered that this parameter existed and have changed it from "learner" to "riding" but haven't given it a spin on that setting yet. Edited April 4, 2019 by monocle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomOnWheels Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Just don't pay attention to names... it is wrong. In fact it sounds be soft, middle soft, hard mode. And yes hard mode just give quicker response when you accelerate or slow down, when a soft mode is soft and you feel the time between action/reaction of the wheel (making it probably more easy for beginners...) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rywokast Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 (edited) the ONLY reason why it would be good for a beginner is exactly what you said.. theres a delay.. learners make mistakes and arent nearly as able to control the vehicle and dont quite know how to react to a lot of situations, example nailing a curb at a decent speed.. hard mode might fling someone off who is inexperienced.. but soft mode is mushy and will softly rock and sway instead of staying rock solid.. personally i find anything but hard mode to be horrible, i want instant complete control and a reactive as possible wheel.. also why i always ride at max psi as i dont want any compensation or the wheel making up for my slack, thats no fun xD i would suggest to learn on whatever mode you plan to stick with depending on what type of ride you want as it would be very weird feeling if you were to learn on soft then switch to hard, would be almost like learning to ride a brand new wheel, as a beginner Edited April 4, 2019 by Rywokast 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrelwood Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 As @Rywokast demonstrated, it is a personal thing. OTOH, Medium mode will require less angle and strain on your ankles. Then again, for off-roading most riders prefer the hard mode, as it will climb obstacles easier. I’d start with Medium and try them thru every now and then to see if your preferred mode has changed. In case you’re ever running very low, it’s worth knowing that the hard mode on 16S consumes slightly more battery. I couldn’t find a measurable difference between medium and soft modes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 I love soft mode on my wheels i like the swing slalom effect😊 it's a bit forgiving on bumps i find 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Smoother Posted April 4, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 4, 2019 (edited) I wrote a detailed report recently, somewhere. But basically you have all you need to know in the above posts. Medium and soft have their places, they are more forgiving over a bumpy terrain giving you a @Smoother ride . I ride in medium mostly. Why? Because that's where it was the last time I changed it, and I don't feel like firing up an app to change it again. Medium mode and half a bottle of wine turns a bumpy path into a magic carpet ride (not a recommendation) Something to do with more relaxed knees I suspect, and maybe a touch of inhibition reduction. I do like soft mode too like @stephen says. You get a bit of a feeling like you are stretching a rubber band and then the rubber band catches up with a satisfying rush of acceleration, where as hard mode is like a light switch, on or off, instant response. Edited April 4, 2019 by Smoother 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unventor Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 I guess it is time to play around with ride mode. Up until now I have used expert/hard mode. I like rhe no lag response. But maybe medium would be less wearing on my knee. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoother Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 14 hours ago, Unventor said: I guess it is time to play around with ride mode. Up until now I have used expert/hard mode. I like rhe no lag response. But maybe medium would be less wearing on my knee. At a low speed, try switching modes while riding. I'm serious. I do it on my 16s and Your 18xl should behave the same. When you switch you can feel the pedals stiffen or relax under your feet. It's a very interesting sensation, but not dangerous at all (at low speeds), I experience no speed change at all. I haven't tested it at higher speeds, maybe I will this week, if I remember. We're scheduled for some Meh! weather for a few days, and a ride in Meh! weather, becomes a Meh! ride, to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unventor Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 I tested medium mode to wrok which is a 1800meters ride on road, bikelane, temporary gravel pathway and paving stones. On Friday I added more air in my tire, and it felt a bit hard on my knees. But the medium made the ride sensation not as hard on my knee. I went on lunch to pick up a pizza and it still felt ok. I think I keep this mode. Atleast for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unventor Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 I just had a ride for about 15km or 10miles. I am not really sure what to make of the medium mode. I think I would compare it as expert mode at sport mode and medium is kinda like city mode and I imagine the beginner mode would be cruising mode. I think it feels a bit more rapid in medium mode, maybe because I push the wheel a bit more. Anyway thank you to trigger me to test this @Smoother. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoother Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Unventor said: Anyway thank you to trigger me to test this @Smoother. You're welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seage Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 Im gonna play with the ride modes tomorrow. Ive been riding on hard (experienced) mode which I love, its snappy. But i also like some play. Also, yesterday riding down some shitty roads, my legs turned to jelly. You guys are saying on super bumps, like a garbo road, medium or even soft might be nice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unventor Posted April 8, 2019 Share Posted April 8, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, seage said: Im gonna play with the ride modes tomorrow. Ive been riding on hard (experienced) mode which I love, its snappy. But i also like some play. Also, yesterday riding down some shitty roads, my legs turned to jelly. You guys are saying on super bumps, like a garbo road, medium or even soft might be nice? It is difficult to explain. I had a low tire pressure and on expect mode. The tire cushion but at risk for rim damage. Not as nimble to turn. I added more tire pressure and lowered ride to medium. Wheel turns easier but force or feedback from wheel is more elastic. Tire feedback bumps more but wheels balance algoritm is now acting as cushion. I seem to be able to push wheel more so when it respond, it does it with more power. What you prefer is a personal preference. I can't say which I prefer atleast not for now. Edited April 8, 2019 by Unventor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoother Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, seage said: Im gonna play with the ride modes tomorrow. Ive been riding on hard (experienced) mode which I love, its snappy. But i also like some play. Also, yesterday riding down some shitty roads, my legs turned to jelly. You guys are saying on super bumps, like a garbo road, medium or even soft might be nice? Some people think so. Others can't stand anything but extra crispy mode. Try it out, no mode will bite you. BUT...give each mode a decent trial; not just a little idle and a few yards. I like all MY three modes, just like Marty likes all his three four eight ten twelve wheels Each mode is a "different" wheel to me. Edited April 9, 2019 by Smoother Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathias Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 As said above, there is the delay (I rode on learning mode for about 1-2 weeks). Second thing is, if the battery is below 50% the max speed is reduced immediately on learning mode (I think to about 12.5 km/h). In riding mode the max speed reduces gradually. No idea what it does on expert mode. Haven't tried that yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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