Popular Post Alien Rides Posted March 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 18, 2019 (edited) I don't see a thread about safety gear on the first page, which means we're long overdue for one 😅 During our last group ride we had a EUC cut-out at 40mph. Luckily due to a good selection of safety gear the rider was able to walk away from this one. Please gear up well when riding, it sucks seeing a friend go down. Edited March 18, 2019 by Alien Rides 5 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Unicyclist Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Wow!!! Thanks for sharing that sphincter-tightening moment... Though you do realise that I now need to pad up with an extra layer going to work tomorrow. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alien Rides Posted March 18, 2019 Author Share Posted March 18, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, The Fat Unicyclist said: Though you do realise that I now need to pad up with an extra layer going to work tomorrow. I think it's definitely situational, I'm probably never going to wear full gear when I ride to work, but if I'm going to smash at top speed, I definitely want to be protected. (But I would never discourage folks from gearing up all the time!) 14 minutes ago, The Fat Unicyclist said: Thanks for sharing that sphincter-tightening moment... Perhaps this is better than the opposite? Again, situational I suppose 🤔 Edited March 18, 2019 by Alien Rides 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Unicyclist Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, Alien Rides said: Perhaps this is better than the opposite? Again, situational I suppose 🤔 OMG... That has to be the best response EVER!!! I am literally going to laugh all the way to work thinking about this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brian Morris Posted March 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 18, 2019 more like PSA- if you ride 10mph over the recommended top speed you are going to get a concrete sandwich shoved in your mouth. ;) 6 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tothjm Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 on the back of this do we know what he was wearing or if anyone can give some good reccomendations for moto helms that are light weight comfortable, breathe well etc.. also in the market for some solid elbow and knee ( cant quite see what that kid was wearing on knee but would love to know! ) 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriull Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Alien Rides said: I don't see a thread about safety gear on the first page, which means we're long overdue for one 😅 That's because we have a separate safety gear subforum 😁 https://forum.electricunicycle.org/forum/58-riding-safety-and-protective-gear/ .... were i move this topic, too ... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LanghamP Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 21 minutes ago, tothjm said: on the back of this do we know what he was wearing or if anyone can give some good reccomendations for moto helms that are light weight comfortable, breathe well etc.. also in the market for some solid elbow and knee ( cant quite see what that kid was wearing on knee but would love to know! ) He appeared dressed for trouble, except for the wheel. Presumably if one were to go poking a stick at an anthill one would ride a crash worthy wheel, or at least pad it up. Padding likely wouldn't have worked on the pedal hanger being bent, though. That was a motorcycle sport bike helmet, with a DOT rating and an EPS chin bar. You need that chin bar, as you saw that helmet took a hard hit on the chin bar. $50. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Tucker Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Thanks for sharing this video! Crash videos are invaluable sources of information for do's and don'ts. I have been riding for 1 year and have 3,000 miles already (on many different wheels)!!! I've never fallen and I am deathly paranoid and afraid of my future first fall. I noticed in the video that the rider is wearing boots. I have tried to ride in boots, however I couldn't get any sense of feed back from my wheel so I wear minimalist running shoes with super thin soles now. Also I wear a wrist GPS and constantly monitor my speed as Gotway tilt-back is quite gentle and since you have to push hard on Gotways anyways its easy to misinterpret tilt-back for general high-speed resistance. Down-hill on my 100V Monster I had tilt-back set to 48KPH but I was able to ride up to 55KPH without detecting tilt-back. Had it not been for my GPS, I don't know when I would have slowed down, since that Monster is deceivingly smooth at high speed. Another thing: MSX beeps are very faint with wind-rush and full-face helmet at 30MPH. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Wesh Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 21 hours ago, Michael Hernandez said: Thanks for sharing this video! Crash videos are invaluable sources of information for do's and don'ts. I have been riding for 1 year and have 3,000 miles already (on many different wheels)!!! I've never fallen and I am deathly paranoid and afraid of my future first fall. I noticed in the video that the rider is wearing boots. I have tried to ride in boots, however I couldn't get any sense of feed back from my wheel so I wear minimalist running shoes with super thin soles now. Also I wear a wrist GPS and constantly monitor my speed as Gotway tilt-back is quite gentle and since you have to push hard on Gotways anyways its easy to misinterpret tilt-back for general high-speed resistance. Down-hill on my 100V Monster I had tilt-back set to 48KPH but I was able to ride up to 55KPH without detecting tilt-back. Had it not been for my GPS, I don't know when I would have slowed down, since that Monster is deceivingly smooth at high speed. Another thing: MSX beeps are very faint with wind-rush and full-face helmet at 30MPH. +1 for the minimalist shoes. I can’t even ride a wheel in thick heavy boots lol. I have no proprioception and my posture is all messed up if the shoe isn’t completely flat/ zero drop. I can hear the MSX beeps quite easily at 33mph with a thick wool hat on however. Don’t know why people can’t hear the beeps even with the wind resistance noise I can always hear it. There are times I think I can’t hear it but that’s because it hasn’t been triggered yet because I wasn’t going fast enough lol. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Tucker Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Darrell Wesh said: +1 for the minimalist shoes. I can’t even ride a wheel in thick heavy boots lol. I have no proprioception and my posture is all messed up if the shoe isn’t completely flat/ zero drop. I can hear the MSX beeps quite easily at 33mph with a thick wool hat on however. Don’t know why people can’t hear the beeps even with the wind resistance noise I can always hear it. There are times I think I can’t hear it but that’s because it hasn’t been triggered yet because I wasn’t going fast enough lol. 33 with just a wool hat! Maybe I can't hear the beeps over my heart pounding at 33 (looking like the sporting goods sale section of Walmart with every type of protective gear made). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Wesh Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Does any one know if he had the 100v or 84v MSX? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post who_the Posted March 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Darrell Wesh said: Does any one know if he had the 100v or 84v MSX? 84V. I was on this ride and very glad my dear friend is OK. He is a very experienced rider who always gears up completely, as you see in the video. Thanks @Alien Rides for the share and all the forensics. The graphs are fascinating and, combined with the visual evidence, offer really important data points toward understanding the limits of the MSX. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
who_the Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 On 3/18/2019 at 10:51 AM, Michael Hernandez said: I noticed in the video that the rider is wearing boots. I have tried to ride in boots, however I couldn't get any sense of feed back from my wheel so I wear minimalist running shoes with super thin soles now. He is wearing composite-toe boots specifically to minimize big toe injuries, which are very common in higher-speed EUC crashes. Your big toe tends to impact or drag along the ground... not good. He sustained injury to his big toe but it would have been much, much worse without a hard-toe shoe. I started wearing hard-toe shoes after losing a big toenail after a comparatively minor crash last March where I really smashed my right big toe. (It has almost, but not completely, grown back one full year later.) I also don't like the feel of big clunky boots when I ride, I would recommend lower-profile, athletic-style hard-toe work shoes like those from Skechers or Timberland Pro. I wear Timberland Pro Powertrains but the Drivetrains are even slimmer and may be my next shoe. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoother Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 2 hours ago, who_the said: I would recommend lower-profile, athletic-style hard-toe work shoes like those from Skechers or Timberland Pro. I wear Timberland Pro Powertrains but the Drivetrains are even slimmer and may be my next shoe. Are you not concerned about your ankles? They do tend to stick out a bit. And a damaged ankle would affect your quality of life for weeks or months, or even years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rehab1 Posted March 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 19, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, who_the said: 84V. I was on this ride and very glad my dear friend is OK. He is a very experienced rider who always gears up completely, as you see in the video. Thanks @Alien Rides for the share and all the forensics. The graphs are fascinating and, combined with the visual evidence, offer really important data points toward understanding the limits of the MSX. I’m glad he is ok! So it was definately a cut out from pushing the limits? I keep rewinding the video looking for the first trace of instability. The video is fascinating to watch and clearly drives home the message of the importance for wearing safety gear. There are so many chinks in the armor when it comes to how much gear is adequate enough for optimal protection. After watching this video I’m glad I just invested in shoulder pads. I have yet to try them out but figure the new gear will probably add another few minutes to the entire donning process. It will be worth it in the end knowing that I have maxed out on protecting my shoulders. Edited March 19, 2019 by Rehab1 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alien Rides Posted March 19, 2019 Author Share Posted March 19, 2019 24 minutes ago, Rehab1 said: I’m glad he is ok! So it was definately a cut out from pushing the limits? I keep rewinding the video looking for the first trace of instability. Yeah, definitely a cutout from going past the limits of the wheel. There is a 360 degree view in the video and you can see a slight dip of the wheel during that dip. If you have lightning fast reflexes and aren't leaning forward when this happens you can occasionally save yourself, but it's pretty much impossible when accelerating at that speed. Awesome looking body armor btw, I need to get some. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seage Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 Just gonna repost this question here, in case people dont see it on the video thread. I didnt realize that this had its own thread until just now. I'll leave it over there, just in case though. "Wow, so glad your buddy was able to bounce back up and with minimal injury! Hows his head? Even though he had that helmet, he still made contact so that was a bump. Hope hes all good! On that topic, I wanted to ask a question about safety and top speeds. I always hear people talking about 80% battery alarms and weight and so on. I'm riding the ks16s, and I just finally was able to hit 31kmph (19.26mph) today, and I know the wheels top riding speed is listed at 35kmph. So at my weight of 226lbs (without gear), is there a limit I need to stay under or do i need to change my riding style when i hit a certain battery level before the wheel goes nuts? I know kingsong doesnt let you turn off all the beeps or the tiltback (well, im not sure about the beeps, but tiltback is always on). So do I have to just...wait and see? I know some people around my weight who cruise at 35kmph, but is there just a window for it? Im trying to ride in a way that doesnt lead to the wheel pouring my soul into the cement. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted March 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 19, 2019 24 minutes ago, Rehab1 said: I’m glad he is ok! So it was definately a cut out from pushing the limits? I keep rewinding the video looking for the first trace of instability. The video is fascinating to watch and clearly drives home the message of the importance for wearing safety gear. There are so many chinks in the armor when it comes to how much gear is adequate enough for optimal protection. After watching this video I’m glad I just invested in shoulder pads. I have yet to try them out but figure the new gear will probably add another few minutes to the entire donning process. It will be worth it in the end knowing that I have maxed out on protecting my shoulders. Cool. Me wants. I'm now looking for shoulder-only type protection that I can add to my existing elbow pads, etc. My Leatt 5.5 body armor is great, but it's not so great for trail riding or any conditions where you are exerting yourself, because it's heavy and slightly restricting. So I get exhausted quicker when wearing it. I want a lighter solution for my shoulders. Since I'm now paranoid about my shoulders (as I expect you are, plus 10), this looks fantastic. I could buy a nice wheel for what I've been spending on safety gear. But we both know it's actually cheap in the long run. And it's like lenses for nice cameras - you keep your lenses while moving to new cameras. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
who_the Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Smoother said: Are you not concerned about your ankles? They do tend to stick out a bit. And a damaged ankle would affect your quality of life for weeks or months, or even years. Agreed, and yes for sure, I like my ankles intact and upright. But I've seen no evidence high-top shoes or boots offer additional protection for sprains or breaks, and have instead read several studies that determined they don't offer any additional protection compared to low-tops. Having said all that, I also have a high-top version of the Timberlands, which are waterproof and also very comfortable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rehab1 Posted March 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 20, 2019 22 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: Cool. Me wants. I'm now looking for shoulder-only type protection that I can add to my existing elbow pads, etc. My Leatt 5.5 body armor is great, but it's not so great for trail riding or any conditions where you are exerting yourself, because it's heavy and slightly restricting. So I get exhausted quicker when wearing it. I want a lighter solution for my shoulders. 37 minutes ago, Alien Rides said: Awesome looking body armor btw, I need to get some. Don’t go out and buy the shoulder pads just yet. What a painful experience pulling the jersey over them by myself. I got stuck inside and had to request the assistance of my wife. Both of my shoulders hurt now and also my head from my wife’s fist. I may have to redesign the jersey with Velcro sides for easy removal just like a ‘stripper’. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted March 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, Rehab1 said: Don’t go out and buy the shoulder pads just yet. What a painful experience pulling the jersey over them by myself. I got stuck inside and had to request the assistance of my wife. Both of my shoulders hurt now and also my head from my wife’s fist. I may have to redesign the jersey with Velcro sides for easy removal just like a ‘stripper’. Silly you. Why would you put anything over it? I would wear it raw - looks cool and very Robocop like. But I guess everyone isn't going for that look Otherwise is it easy to put on and comfortable. And the protection is as good as it looks (you could run into a wall)? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutalo Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: Why would you put anything over it Maybe he was once a football player; old habits dying hard and all that rubbish 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutalo Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 13 minutes ago, who_the said: Agreed, and yes for sure, I like my ankles intact and upright. But I've seen no evidence high-top shoes or boots offer additional protection for sprains or breaks, and have instead read several studies that determined they don't offer any additional protection compared to low-tops. Having said all that, I also have a high-top version of the Timberlands, which are waterproof and also very comfortable. Although I would have found them more valuable when I was learning to ride, I have seen ankle pads advertised on Amazon designed to cover the protruding portions of the ankle bone with a gel-filled pad. These could feasibly reduce injury. I should have posted a photo of what I saw, but I am feeling too lazy at the moment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutalo Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 (edited) On 3/18/2019 at 11:04 AM, Alien Rides said: I don't see a thread about safety gear on the first page, which means we're long overdue for one 😅 During our last group ride we had a EUC cut-out at 40mph. Luckily due to a good selection of safety gear the rider was able to walk away from this one. Please gear up well when riding, it sucks seeing a friend go down. Thank goodnes he was geared up. God Bless you Kingsong. Edited March 20, 2019 by Lutalo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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