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I know my wheel will take a couple of months to arrive, but I am wondering how much I am likely to be hit for import charges etc as I am assuming it is being shipped from outside Europe (purchased on Gearbest). When ordering from the Far East l know some people have got lucky with certain stuff as its been small and/or undervalued but has anyone imported a wheel into the UK before that can advise? Thanks.

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Go look at your sales page again, or your receipt.  Most "from China" purchases of wheels have import cost included.  Hopefully you got one of these prices, otherwise hold on to your hat.  I bought 2 tyres from china and the inport fees were something like 3 times the cost of the tyres, because the tax is based on the value of the product PLUS the shipping.  Be thankful you didn't get express shipping.

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Great! I only followed the link given to me on where to buy the V5F. No idea whether the listing said anything about duties being covered already.

The gov site says you need to call them to get the rates.

Will try and get back into the listing or my order and see if it says anything. Speedy sells them for £600, if my all up cost is anywhere near that then it was a completely pointless exercise in waiting 2 months for it :(

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Unfortunately, I found this on the gearbest site under the "tax info" tab:

 

Tax Info

Tax Information ALL prices listed on GearBest exclude taxes, import fees, and customs duties. Customers may be subject to these fees.
Sorry:(

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I purchased a V10 from Gearbest recently, there is no customs charge to pay. 

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Hi ED209, are you in the UK? And how long ago was delivery? It is my belief that the final carrier (Parcelforce etc) can take up to a couple of weeks to drop the dreaded tax demand through the letterbox.

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UK Customs are probably too busy to check every parcel, so they may let some slip through ... its a lottery, but in my experience if they do charge import tax, then you will need to pay the fees before you get your parcel. It could be that because EUCs don't fit into any existing classification for tax, then they simply don't bother to charge import tax. You will soon find out and can let us know how you got on. As to Gearbest, they have warehouses around the world, so if they dispatched from an EU warehouse (you can select a warehouse in the item screen before adding to cart) then any VAT will already be included in the price.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/classifying-vehicles

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Hi Nic

I agree it does indeed just seem to be a lottery having read a bit more. The only constant is that those who use faster shipping (DHL/UPS etc) are more likely to get collared. Given that I think mine is swimming itself over I am probably in the best position but its just going to come down to luck I think.

When I ordered, I didnt know about the codes and assumed everything would come from China. There were only 2 warehouses available - 'CN-099' and 'Fast-30'. I have just found out that whilst CN is indeed China, Fast 30 is France! Gaaa! That said, if I had selected France I may have paid more at source to include duties, or maybe there would be more chance of getting collared as the shipping would be quicker. I dont know, its all a bit confusing tbh.

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2 hours ago, Planemo said:

Hi Nic

I agree it does indeed just seem to be a lottery having read a bit more. The only constant is that those who use faster shipping (DHL/UPS etc) are more likely to get collared. Given that I think mine is swimming itself over I am probably in the best position but its just going to come down to luck I think.

When I ordered, I didnt know about the codes and assumed everything would come from China. There were only 2 warehouses available - 'CN-099' and 'Fast-30'. I have just found out that whilst CN is indeed China, Fast 30 is France! Gaaa! That said, if I had selected France I may have paid more at source to include duties, or maybe there would be more chance of getting collared as the shipping would be quicker. I dont know, its all a bit confusing tbh.

If you had selected Fast 30, then you would have paid a much higher price ... for Ninebot Z10 that I previously looked at I think China Warehouse was around £1200 and EU warehouse was around £1850. Hopefully you will get lucky, but I think with larger and heavier items it is more likely that your parcel will be inspected and you will be have to pay Tax. You are correct about fast shipping being more likely to be inspected and taxed. Let us know how it goes.

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Thats what I would have thought bud, pay a higher price for a euro warehouse (with an assumption that taxes will already have been paid) but I just did another test purchase, selecting Fast 30 and it increased the price by just 4 quid. And that was with a cheaper shipping cost and 3 to 7 day delivery. I dont know whether to feel totally gutted or just miffed to be honest.

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Never heard of any China wheel being subjected to any extra fees.

16 hours ago, ED209 said:

I purchased a V10 from Gearbest recently, there is no customs charge to pay. 

This is what you should expect:)

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4 hours ago, Planemo said:

Thats what I would have thought bud, pay a higher price for a euro warehouse (with an assumption that taxes will already have been paid) but I just did another test purchase, selecting Fast 30 and it increased the price by just 4 quid. And that was with a cheaper shipping cost and 3 to 7 day delivery. I dont know whether to feel totally gutted or just miffed to be honest.

Don't worry about it ... you are in uncharted territory ... if you pay no tax, then I'll probably try something similar in future.

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I just received here in the UK my msx bought on aliexpress; there was no tax to pay at customs, I paid only what was displayed on aliexpress web site, no additional tax ( VAT, import tax, whatever ). It took a good few weeks for the wheel to arrive from China, and then it was delivered to me by UPS ( not the express one ). No idea why ( luck, tax already factored in the price, regulation ... who knows ? ).

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Thanks for the update Gena, thats great news. If possible, could you update again should you get a tax demand from HMRC through the post in the next few weeks. I think mine took about 10 days when I ordered a $195 item from the States (which was £27.95) some years ago.

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1 hour ago, Planemo said:

Thanks for the update Gena, thats great news. If possible, could you update again should you get a tax demand from HMRC through the post in the next few weeks. I think mine took about 10 days when I ordered a $195 item from the States (which was £27.95) some years ago.

That's a good point.  When I had two tyres express shipped from China, the arrived with no addition costs, then a few days later a got a letter or email or something FROM THE SHIPPER saying they had paid £xx.xx import fees on my behalf, and I had a certain amount of time to pay them back.  I believe there were official looking forms to corroborate the amount.  But I think AliExpress prices have the import fees factored in, it's not their first rodeo after all.  My tyres were sent by an individual, no Ali or Gear Best, etc.

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Yes, the invoice will usually come from the shipper like you say. I know that both UPS and DHL work this way. They pay the fees on your behalf at point of entry into the UK, get the item delivered then send their invoice later. I think you can sometimes pay it at the doorstep but for sure its usually invoiced in the post. I have had items shipped from China before where the seller has undervalued the item (without my knowledge) and recd a correspondingly lesser invoice throught the post as a result. On that occasion it was via DHL I think.

Whatever happens I am just hoping that if I do get hit with fees, it still works out less than buying from the UK, given the 2 month delay from China and obvious reduction in support should there be problems. A total DOA would be a massive issue as sending it back just wouldn't be viable. Given the wheel is £600 in the UK and I have paid £352, I think that even with full fees applied it will still be cheaper, but by how much I do not yet know, and until I do I can't say whether its worth the risk/hassle/delay.

Edit: neither Ali nor Gearbest have import fees applied to their prices. They specifically state this on their websites. It would be extremely hard to do anyway given the differences between all the countries.

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