Jpd Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 45 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: I love all the surface finishes of the Z10. KingSong probably wouldn't like to be told to emulate a competitor, but the Z10 finishes are hard to beat. Tell them to stay away from the Gotway carbon-fiber look. That's my 2-cents. I second that! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67SS Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, Jason McNeil said: Question to the forum: KS are reviewing the possibility of changing the texture finish of the outer body panels to a faux carbon-fiber, ala Z10. What are you thoughts? Would you prefer this to the plain finish in the 3D renders? Hmmmmm.. I really like the design of the z10, so it could work. Edited March 22, 2019 by 67SS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heyzeus Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 (edited) That looks a lot weirder than I thought it would but it's all just a mockup Hmmmmm more data required Edited March 22, 2019 by Heyzeus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rywokast Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 5 hours ago, 67SS said: Hmmmmm.. I really like the design of the z10, so it could work. ick, hate the carbon fibre look personally, on anything.. matte black rubber will always be sexy though :p 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoother Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, 67SS said: Hmmmmm.. I really like the design of the z10, so it could work. That looks more like fabric than carbon fiber. But...I like the idea. Interchangeable (Velcro) padded fabric panels in a range of designs, much like those Ninebot skins you see all over eBay. Cammo? you got it. Barbi pink? No problem A range of bold colors? sure. Patterns? why not? even Burberry? absolutely. You want more women to adopt the sport? give them design options to express themselves. Burbury: EDIT If I knew anything about "photoshopping" things I'd take the above 16x photos and insert some sample of what I'm imagining. I really think interchangeable side panels would be a great tool for people to customize their wheels; not only once but as their tastes, or circumstances changed. Moods: Stealthy night ride: remove pads exposing black plastic underneath. Summertime beach cruising: Turquoise pads to match the sea Crazy group ride: Cool grafiti or pop art design Lend to the WAGs (wives and girlfriends): Something to match her sneakers or purse. or hat, or, or, or We don't wear the same clothes every day, so why should our wheels? Edited March 22, 2019 by Smoother 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post esaj Posted March 22, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 22, 2019 On 3/21/2019 at 5:45 PM, Jason McNeil said: The pedal bracket is being redesigned with magnets, instead of spring-loaded lock into position of the current KS wheels. This means that the XL pedal will not be compatible on the 16X ; however, the new pedal length will be just 1cm shorter than the 25cm on the XL. Question to the forum: KS are reviewing the possibility of changing the texture finish of the outer body panels to a faux carbon-fiber, ala Z10. What are you thoughts? Would you prefer this to the plain finish in the 3D renders? I'm not looking at the wheel when I ride it, other people are. If they want carbon fiber or faux puke, they should pay for it, not me 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esaj Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 On 3/21/2019 at 9:13 PM, RockyTop said: As @houseofjob hinted at the motor noise is created by the control board. The motor is just the drum that the board plays the whining music on. The KS boards do many great things. The noise is the side effect. I have changed many motor controllers on larger motors that have drastically changed the sounds of the motor. Some even sound like rice crispy’s or radeo static. I've often wondered about this. Is it the fundamental PWM-frequency "playing back" on the coils, or a subharmonic of it, or something else? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mike Paolini Posted March 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2019 @esaj 16 hours ago, esaj said: I've often wondered about this. Is it the fundamental PWM-frequency "playing back" on the coils, or a subharmonic of it, or something else? It's formally known as Electromagnetically excited acoustic noise and vibration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetically_excited_acoustic_noise_and_vibration 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jason McNeil Posted March 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2019 (edited) Now taking deposits on the 16X, first 50x Customers will receive a free 5A rapid-charger. The Nikola will be coming online tomorrow. Here's a side-by-side comparison of the main features. https://www.ewheels.com/product/new-king-song-16x-1554wh-battery-2000w-motor-3-wide-tire/ King Song 16X vs the Gotway Nikola Edited March 23, 2019 by Jason McNeil 7 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueblade Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 Nice! $200 cheaper than the 18XL, a few lbs lighter, and a subwoofer. 👍 That's going to make the decision a lot harder! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 @Jason McNeil Isn't the Nikola 17x3 whereas the KS16X is 16x3? Also, isn't the Nikola expected to be a bit faster? 45 or 50kph for the KS16X and ~55kph for the Nikola (essentially the same just with no hard limit)? Also, that's quite a difference in pedal ground clearance! Will it really be that big, or might they have measured differently? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jason McNeil Posted March 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, meepmeepmayer said: Isn't the Nikola 17x3 whereas the KS16X is 16x3? Also, isn't the Nikola expected to be a bit faster? 45 or 50kph for the KS16X and ~55kph for the Nikola (essentially the same just with no hard limit)? Yeah, awaiting for specifics on the exact tire model number for each Wheel. My 16X order was contingent on a 50kph cruising speed (standard 200km unlock business), Linnea confirmed the Nikola is the same. Update: the Nikola has the CST 16x3" tire, same as the 16X. Edited March 24, 2019 by Jason McNeil 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Paolini Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 @Jason McNeil With respect to the charging - is that 5a across one port for safe charging, or is there a case to be made for two 5 amp chargers, one into each of the 2 ports? And how does one tell if they are within the first 50 orders? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Paolini Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, Jason McNeil said: Yeah, awaiting for specifics on the exact tire model number for each Wheel. My 16X order was contingent on a 50kph cruising speed (standard 200km unlock business), Linnea confirmed the Nikola is the same. 31 mph - at least I now have a clue as to what my manner of death is going to be :-P 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jason McNeil Posted March 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Mike Paolini said: @Jason McNeil With respect to the charging - is that 5a across one port for safe charging, or is there a case to be made for two 5 amp chargers, one into each of the 2 ports? And how does one tell if they are within the first 50 orders? Charging above 5A on a 120 cell pack is controversial, the risk is that if one half develops a problem, you're going to pushing 10A through a single pack or 2.5A per parallel. After the first 50x orders, I'll remove the note about the free rapid-charger, your order is definitely in there! 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LanghamP Posted March 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2019 Apparently, the Kingsong and the Inmotion designers jumped ship to Gotway, while all the Gotway designers went to Kingsong. It feels so wrong for a Gotway to look elegant and smooth, and likewise for the Kingsong to have flat surfaces. Personally, since both wheels seem so close performance wise, I'd just choose the one with higher pedal clearance, as twice now I've caught my KS16S's pedal in a turn, crashed, and the wheel ran over my broken and bleeding body. At under 6 mph. Low pedals heights are the evil love child between Satan and Hitler. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Unventor Posted March 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2019 Well my decission is made up. I am going for a KS16X.... Proud early adopter once again. What can possibly go wrong? Anyway I think most major parts have been tested on KS18L and improved on KS18XL so hopefull they are matured for the KS16X. Now I just hope there isnt too many hickups in last stage development and production. I hope @Jason McNeil and @US69 keep us up to date as we get closer to a final version. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dzlchef Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 I made the decision for the KS16X as well. Tough decision given that I was leaning towards an 18XL, but the 16X is beautiful and checks every box for me. Hope the final product is everything it promises to be! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post meepmeepmayer Posted March 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2019 (edited) Hmmm... 16X advantages: * Trolley handle * Significantly higher pedals (if true). * Torque (?) * Looks better, a little less oversized. * Build quality Nikola advantages: * Gotway Glide (presumably) for relentless power delivery, ride feeling, more power on mountains. * More comfy 17'' tire. * No extra speed edge, it seems... or maybe? * ... that's about it. I'm a bit disappointed in Gotway now. Their first-iteration amateurish design is a bit lame in comparison for a +2000 moneys wheel. Usually they always had some kind of ace in the hole, but now I don't see one. Looking forward to see Marty compare how the wheels really ride when both are released. Edited March 23, 2019 by meepmeepmayer 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heyzeus Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, Jason McNeil said: My 16X order was contingent on a 50kph cruising speed (standard 200km unlock business), Does this mean Kingsong might have 16x's out there through other dealers (speedyfeet, alie, etc) that will have a lower locked top speed of 45kph. Or was it pretty much, "hey if you can't hit these specs it's not worth it for me to sell your wheel as it likely won't sell well." and so they are making sure they can safely do the 50kph like @US69 mentioned earlier they were hoping to hit. Sounds like it's now guaranteed they will hit that if they want you carrying the wheel which is nice. Thanks for pushing for that. BTW, do you know if the procedure for changing the tire will be as similarly simple as it is on the 16s(remove some screws and pop the whole shell off without having to split the shells and undo wires and a bunch of other crap)? If so, considering what a nuisance it looks to be to do a tire change on the Nikola, well, I think King Song has the better wheel here and I would be hard pressed to go for the nikola over the 16x., especially given the same price point basically. Looks like King Song has a winner here Edited March 24, 2019 by Heyzeus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Bon Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 16 minutes ago, meepmeepmayer said: I'm a bit disappointed in Gotway now. Their first-iteration amateurish design is a bit lame in comparison for a +2000 moneys wheel. Usually they always had some kind of ace in the hole, but now I don't see one. Looking forward to see Marty compare how the wheels really ride when both are released Me too Wil have to wait the usual 3 months after production and release while reading lots of reviews before i commit to buying one of these wheels But at this point in time ,thinking i will be buying my 1st Kingsong 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Stern Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 (edited) I've ordered. I'm hoping that I'm in the first 50, but I know that there will be at least one person ahead of me (@Marty Backe *cough*). Edited March 24, 2019 by Jon Stern 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel-Son Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 I just pre-ordered my 16X! Now 4 months of waiting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted March 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 24, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Heyzeus said: Does this mean Kingsong might have 16x's out there through other dealers (speedyfeet, alie, etc) that will have a lower locked top speed of 45kph. Or was it pretty much, "hey if you can't hit these specs it's not worth it for me to sell your wheel as it likely won't sell well." and so they are making sure they can safely due the 50kph like @US69 mentioned earlier they were hoping to hit. Sounds like it's now guaranteed they will hit that if they want you carrying the wheel which is nice. Thanks for pushing for that. BTW, do you know if the procedure for changing the tire will be as similarly simple as it is on the 16s(remove some screws and pop the whole shell off without having to split the shells and undo wires and a bunch of other crap)? If so, considering what a nuisance it looks to be to do a tire change on the Nikola, well, I think King Song has the better wheel here and I would be hard pressed to go for the nikola over the 16x., especially given the same price point basically. Looks like King Song has a winner here I've changed tires multiple times on Gotway and just did so on the KS18XL. KingSong More screws need to be removed compared to Gotway All the screws from both pedal hangers must be removed The motor wire connector must be disconnected and the wiring hardness must be partially disassembled on one side The hall sensor connector must be disconnected and the wiring hardness must be partially disassembled on the other side All the pads must be removed (double-sided tape) Gotway Less screws required removal Only one of the pedal hangers requires all of the screws be removed. The other pedal hanger doesn't need to be touched Zero wires/connectors are disconnected. Zero pads are removed. Bottom Line The KingSong disassembly feels slightly more controlled, but the Gotway actually requires less total disassembly. So it's kind of a wash from my experience. If pushed to pick, I would lean towards preferring the Gotway disassembly. It's totally bogus that KingSong is easier. Maybe that was true in pre-2016 wheels, but not now. Edited March 24, 2019 by Marty Backe 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 5 hours ago, Jon Stern said: I've ordered. I'm hoping that I'm in the first 50, but I know that there will be at least one person ahead of me (@Marty Backe *cough*). I have too many wheels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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