KingSong 16X 1554Wh 2200W 16*3in (Released July 2019)

[chrisjunlee]

Wow, so the CST is actually thinner than the stock! Kingsong making excuses for wheel fit and clearance smh

[DragonFZ]

2 hours ago, RoadRunner said:

And if you want to really enjoy the 16X get that shitty tire off and put on the CST.

Its so good that when i got home at 02:00 in the morning i just rode it for half an hour through the dark empty streets with a happy smile on my face. 

Also it felt that the break wobbles are gone and i don’t have that side to side banging anymore.

 

Thank you for a very informative Post... I'm curious, would the patterns in a tire cause wobbles?

Edited August 15, 2019 by DragonFZ
Double post by accident

[Yunicycle]

The consensus for the stock tire of the ks16x seems not good, any chance @Jason McNeil /ewheels can request Kingsong to switch to CST for future batches for the 16x? 

[Marty Backe]

I have to say, seeing those two 16X's side-by-side with the different tires, that stock just looks like it wouldn't be as smooth riding as the CST which is on so many of my Gotway wheels.

[Jon Stern]

@eddiemoy felt there wasn't much improvement with the CST C-1488. Sounds like we need more people to try it (and to try different pressures).

[EUC Custom Power-Pads]

6 hours ago, chrisjunlee said:

Wow, so the CST is actually thinner than the stock! Kingsong making excuses for wheel fit and clearance smh

I still had a little faith in it. But if the air pressure on both tires is the same and the CST is narrower than the original tire, don't I know what these fairy tales are about?
I think the engineer lost his perspective testing the tires, or was too lazy and told his boss he tested them all. 

Edited August 15, 2019 by buell47

[ir_fuel]

What is your weight and what pressure are you running @RoadRunner?

For me the only reason to switch would be if it could get rid of brake wobbles at a decent pressure (2 bar)

[Unventor]

6 hours ago, RoadRunner said:

IT might just be a trick to the eye, but it seems to me the tyre isn't as tall on the stock tyre. When you buy a tyre for a car you have rim size, tyre height, tyre width. On these EUC tyres the height is not specified. I aspect that could be the cause of scraping that was the reason given by KS  not going for the CST tyre.  

Anyway very lovely pictures thank you for posting. 

As for tyre choice, I am still waiting for my KS16X and I make own judgement once I have this rather than jumping the gun. Also I like to wait out for the first real firmware update from KS.

 

 

[RoadRunner]

2 hours ago, ir_fuel said:

What is your weight and what pressure are you running @RoadRunner?

For me the only reason to switch would be if it could get rid of brake wobbles at a decent pressure (2 bar)

My weight is 73kg and pressure right now is 2.3 bar.

[Old Glider]

Great info and pictures @RoadRunner ! PERFECT I’d say (still can’t get that song outta my head from your test video, must be techno mind control voodoo).

Looking forward to hear how you like the CST tire after some more miles!

Edited August 15, 2019 by Old Glider

[Gustesta]

New firmware almost ready.  That's a very scientific firmware test there hahaha.  

https://www.facebook.com/milli.zhao.7/videos/346654796287072/?fref=nf

https://www.facebook.com/milli.zhao.7/videos/346664926286059/

 

 

 

Edited August 15, 2019 by Gustesta

[chrisjunlee]

Just hit 500 miles with a perfect screenshot to boot 🔥

[Nils]

On 8/14/2019 at 5:18 AM, DragonFZ said:

I know how to fall, roll etc, did some MMA and BJJ stuff... but when your feet is up in the air going east and your upper body is going west... at that moment you know there is no pushing from or rotation is too late, all you say is "oh shit" and just brace yourself for the ground. Now, unless you're a cat and know how to rotate in mid air (without ground push) that would help. Gearing up plus shoulders and back protection for us older folks would be the best solution.

Precisely! No point in thinking any previous training will cover you adequately in all type of falls. Sure, previous fall training from martial arts, etc., will serve you well in some circumstances where there's some leeway, but in others you won't even have the time to say "oh shit" because you're busy hitting the ground

[CampDylan]

20 minutes ago, Nils said:

On 8/13/2019 at 5:18 PM, DragonFZ said:

but when your feet is up in the air going east and your upper body is going west... at that moment you know there is no pushing from or rotation is too late, all you say is "oh shit" and just brace yourself for the ground. Now, unless you're a cat and know how to rotate in mid air (without ground push) that would help. Gearing up plus shoulders and back protection for us older folks would be the best solution.

Precisely! No point in thinking any previous training will cover you adequately in all type of falls. Sure, previous fall training from martial arts, etc., will serve you well in some circumstances where there's some leeway, but in others you won't even have the time to say "oh shit" because you're busy hitting the ground

Agreed.  Those skills helped me to survive unscathed being hit head-on by a car (rolling over the hood, bouncing off the windshield then landing yards away on the street, everything out of my pockets strewn about, not a scratch on me, wind knocked out), also being “doored “ sending me flying about 6 feet , not a scratch.  Both of these, no protection, on my 16” Dahon fold-up in NYC.  The advantage was being able to see the accident about to happen at least a split second before it happens and so being able to prepare the “roll” (I always used my snowboarding exp to survive).

However!  Same bike, Honolulu, two of the worst accidents I’ve ever had, both of them came totally unexpected in a mili-second.  One, face-planted/belly slide hitting some slime crossing a puddle wearing nothing but swim trunks (gashes galore, cracked ribs).  Second one racing to the airport in the dark, 4am under a freeway overpass about 21mph I hit a parking block hiding in the shadows and was airborne long enough to realize plenty but was completely tangled up in the bike to do anything about it, lol. (Gashes galore, cracked ribs, popped tire but still managed to limp the rest of the way and make my flight to Maui).

 Now, because of those two incidences and the fact that this will be my first EUC, and the fact that I’m much older, 52, as I wait for my 16 X I have already purchased a full-face Troy Lee designs helmet and their upper body armor pullover. I am now shopping for kneepads after watching dozens of videos that show most riders seem to go right to their knees like skateboarders when bailing.  

[eucinsea]

On 8/13/2019 at 1:56 PM, ir_fuel said:

Downloading from the website only works for Android.

and is completely unsafe for most users, a good portion of Android security issues have been because of side-loaded apps.

[Harvey Pooka]

6 minutes ago, CampDylan said:

Agreed.  Those skills helped me to survive unscathed being hit head-on by a car (rolling over the hood, bouncing off the windshield then landing yards away on the street, everything out of my pockets strewn about, not a scratch on me, wind knocked out), also being “doored “ sending me flying about 6 feet , not a scratch.  Both of these, no protection, on my 16” Dahon fold-up in NYC.  The advantage was being able to see the accident about to happen at least a split second before it happens and so being able to prepare the “roll” (I always used my snowboarding exp to survive).

However!  Same bike, Honolulu, two of the worst accidents I’ve ever had, both of them came totally unexpected in a mili-second.  One, face-planted/belly slide hitting some slime crossing a puddle wearing nothing but swim trunks (gashes galore, cracked ribs).  Second one racing to the airport in the dark, 4am under a freeway overpass about 21mph I hit a parking block hiding in the shadows and was airborne long enough to realize plenty but was completely tangled up in the bike to do anything about it, lol. (Gashes galore, cracked ribs, popped tire but still managed to limp the rest of the way and make my flight to Maui).

 Now, because of those two incidences and the fact that this will be my first EUC, and the fact that I’m much older, 52, as I wait for my 16 X I have already purchased a full-face Troy Lee designs helmet and their upper body armor pullover. I am now shopping for kneepads after watching dozens of videos that show most riders seem to go right to their knees like skateboarders when bailing.  

What I love about your post is that you can speak from a point of view of training and actual experience. I laugh whenever I see someone post that they don't need protection because they "learned how to roll or fall" or that they fell once and weren't injured so rolling properly is the only skill they need.

For the people who learned, they usually learned in a controlled environment with nice clear areas (possibly padded), not areas with rocks, poles, hydrants, curbs, debris, potholes etc. Learning to fall is a harm reduction technique, like wearing protection. Neither one should replace the other but work well together.

[Nils]

3 minutes ago, Harvey Pooka said:

What I love about your post is that you can speak from a point of view of training and actual experience. I laugh whenever I see someone post that they don't need protection because they "learned how to roll or fall" or that they fell once and weren't injured so rolling properly is the only skill they need.

For the people who learned, they usually learned in a controlled environment with nice clear areas (possibly padded), not areas with rocks, poles, hydrants, curbs, debris, potholes etc. Learning to fall is a harm reduction technique, like wearing protection. Neither one should replace the other but work well together.

Agreed. I've done my share of martial arts myself, and it's definitely helped in one of my (two) falls where I got that little extra time before hitting the ground. There's a limit to that however, and anyone who thinks they've learned "how to fall correctly" and thus will not be injured when riding an EUC are in for a rough awakening (that hopefully won't happen, but..).

[Harvey Pooka]

I've had one speed wobble fall where my previous learned rolling skills kicked in. It was the most beautiful textbook perfect shoulder roll you will ever see in the history of shoulder rolls. Right into a thorn bush.

[Unventor]

20 minutes ago, Harvey Pooka said:

I've had one speed wobble fall where my previous learned rolling skills kicked in. It was the most beautiful textbook perfect shoulder roll you will ever see in the history of shoulder rolls. Right into a thorn bush.

Did the bush survive? No need to ask about ypu since you write here . 

[DragonFZ]

1 hour ago, CampDylan said:

 Now, because of those two incidences and the fact that this will be my first EUC, and the fact that I’m much older, 52, as I wait for my 16 X I have already purchased a full-face Troy Lee designs helmet and their upper body armor pullover. I am now shopping for kneepads after watching dozens of videos that show most riders seem to go right to their knees like skateboarders when bailing.  

52!!! You're OLD!!!

[Unventor]

20 minutes ago, DragonFZ said:

52!!! You're OLD!!!

Not really, but he made it this far. Right @Marty Backe? 

[Mike Paolini]

 

2 hours ago, CampDylan said:

 Now, because of those two incidences and the fact that this will be my first EUC, and the fact that I’m much older, 52, as I wait for my 16 X I have already purchased a full-face Troy Lee designs helmet and their upper body armor pullover. I am now shopping for kneepads after watching dozens of videos that show most riders seem to go right to their knees like skateboarders when bailing.  

@CampDylan
This 50 year old has 2 solid options for you.

Most often I am using Rev'it Tornado 2 Motorcycle pants with Level 2 armor for knees and hips (you have to upgrade the hips, it comes with level 1).   They work great in Texas heat.

If you want straight up protection, check the Leatt Dual Axis Knee and Shins, I've got a set and like them a lot.

Worth saying is both these options I yet haven't tested out the hard way yet, knock wood, I won't.

Also do not forget your Demon Flexmeter Dual sided D3o wrist guards - wrist guards are mandatory.

Edited August 15, 2019 by Mike Paolini

[Marty Backe]

51 minutes ago, DragonFZ said:

52!!! You're OLD!!!

[Jon Stern]

1 hour ago, DragonFZ said:

52!!! You're OLD!!!

Really old! I'm only 51 1/2.

[Unventor]

2 hours ago, Harvey Pooka said:

I've had one speed wobble fall where my previous learned rolling skills kicked in. It was the most beautiful textbook perfect shoulder roll you will ever see in the history of shoulder rolls. Right into a thorn bush.

I too had a most beautiful textbook perfect shoulder roll you will ever see in the history of shoulder rolls, for the first 1/10 then it developed into a shoulder stand on a sharp curb

... resulting into a dislocated shoulder.

Perfect test of my POC dh Jacket with 3DO protection... As for shoulder rolls... not so much. 

That was about 5 months ago. The wheel looked fine (at the time). 

But today I found the attachment mounts of the outer sheel cover on one side at the front had broken off. The hidden damage to inner shell was due yo EUC bodyguard protection the wheel, but it couldn't mitigate the impact to the week points of 1st batch mounting points.

But I have ridden it happy until I saw the damage today. Now a rework/rebuild awaits once I get hold of shell parts. 

But... Hopeful I will have my KS16X soon. In the meantime I have to use the car. 

Edited August 15, 2019 by Unventor