Z10 MAX SPEED UNLOCK TO 56km/h TESTS REPORT

[qweiczz]

Some battles are not worth winning. Knowing how to win a battle = smart. Knowing which battle is not worth winning = wisdom.

Edited December 21, 2018 by qweiczz

[Dominique Arnaud]

WoW may be totally crazy to run at 56km/h !

Be very careful, as you said before, braking at this speed is a real problem 😊

Edited December 21, 2018 by Dominique Arnaud

[Afeez Kay]

Hi All, I am new to this topic. How do I get this firmware and increase the speed of my Z10? Thank you in advance.🙏🏾😁

[Cicletabcn]

12 minutes ago, Afeez Kay said:

Hi All, I am new to this topic. How do I get this firmware and increase the speed of my Z10? Thank you in advance.🙏🏾😁

Hi!,  they’re working on it, testing the new limitations before they release it to the public

[MRN76]

@GyroRideRz Hey. You have long enough to ride on the wheel. Do you think it is possible to update others? Were there any shutdowns at speed and other problems?

[Cristian Rizzo]

Hello i want to buy Application for ninebot s2 

Geco7373@gmail.com 

[Cristian Rizzo]

4 hours ago, MRN76 said:

@ GyroRideRz  Hey. Hai abbastanza tempo per guidare sulla ruota. Pensi che sia possibile aggiornare gli altri? Ci sono stati fermi alla velocità e altri problemi?

Is it possible to buy Application for ninebot s2 

[GyroRideRz]

On 12/23/2018 at 10:41 AM, MRN76 said:

@GyroRideRz Hey. You have long enough to ride on the wheel. Do you think it is possible to update others? Were there any shutdowns at speed and other problems?

Hi Guys, 

Long time i didn't give you any update. It was because lot of work with my shop preparing christmas holidays.

But i'm back ! 

@MRN76 Yes you can update it. I run more than 400 km without any problems. 

- Max speed i've reached : 53km/h

- Total km with this firmware : 391 km

- Max battery life attempt : 49 km

No cutoff, no overheat, no overlean, the feeling is perfect at 45/50 iddle. You just make a wondefull firmware.

Once again thanks for your contribution to the ninebot world it's amazing :-D

 

[GyroRideRz]

On 12/21/2018 at 9:05 PM, Dominique Arnaud said:

WoW may be totally crazy to run at 56km/h !

Be very careful, as you said before, braking at this speed is a real problem 😊

I've all the protection and i'm not push it too hard, just let it go.

The more you ride and the more you naturally go faster with this wheel. And on you hit the limit and get tiltback, it's a really bad feeling.

So the game is to find your natural speed limit, and for me it's 53km/h i've never hit more, so with the limit to 56km/h it's perfect for me, i don't take the tiltback anymore

and the ride experience is a lot better. 

I'm not crazy, i just listen my body, my feeling and the wheel.

[Cristian Rizzo]

. You just make a wondefull firmware? 

This is Not good? 

[Afeez Kay]

2 hours ago, GyroRideRz said:

I've all the protection and i'm not push it too hard, just let it go.

The more you ride and the more you naturally go faster with this wheel. And on you hit the limit and get tiltback, it's a really bad feeling.

So the game is to find your natural speed limit, and for me it's 53km/h i've never hit more, so with the limit to 56km/h it's perfect for me, i don't take the tiltback anymore

and the ride experience is a lot better. 

I'm not crazy, i just listen my body, my feeling and the wheel.

There is are videos of the Z10 ‘appearing’ to cut out at 46kph. 

Just wondering how that could happen even though the wheel can be unlocked to close to 56kph??

[houseofjob]

31 minutes ago, Afeez Kay said:

There is are videos of the Z10 ‘appearing’ to cut out at 46kph. 

Just wondering how that could happen even though the wheel can be unlocked to close to 56kph??

One possible scenario: a heavy-ish rider (85kg+) on Z doing max speed at lower battery percentages, then hitting a bump.

• heavy riders are known to have decreased max speed in general (more power required), when compared to lighter riders on the same wheel.
• a wheel traveling at max speed / power load is more susceptible to sudden overpower cutting out due to hitting obstacles at said max speed. this is why the non-Gotway manufacturers will artificially set the max speeds even lower than the max power threshold (ala Gotway), and also why IMHO (especially after doing the math) messing with this restriction on the Z is dangerous.

 

Case in point: the latter bullet point happened to me (in a way) plenty back in the sub-1kW nominal motor (weaker) EUC days.

On my former 550W nominal InMotion V5 & 800W nominal IM V8, me being a mid-weight rider at ~80kg (with backpack weight) cruising on the edge of max speed / tiltback, I would every now and then hit an unexpected bump, where I would feel the weakening of the motor from the surge in power demand to keep the wheel + me balanced & upright.

For that split second, the wheel would technically cutout, then immediately trigger back and re-grab / re-balance. Mind you, this happened from non-aggressive riding. Many of these cutout videos I've seen posted, IMHO the riders have been riding pretty aggressively, pushing and 'testing' the wheel.

 

In short, for non-heavyweight riders, higher speeds on the Z is probably possible, but you better not hit a bump, especially when the battery has been significantly depleted. And you better not gain weight 

EUC is not like cars in terms of true max speed, the limit is not an absolute number, you must always factor for the rider, conditions.

Edited December 28, 2018 by houseofjob

[Marty Backe]

5 minutes ago, houseofjob said:

One possible scenario: a heavy-ish rider (85kg+) on Z doing max speed at lower battery percentages, then hitting a bump.

• heavy riders are known to have decreased max speed in general (more power required), when compared to lighter riders on the same wheel.
• a wheel traveling at max speed / power load is more susceptible to sudden overpower cutting out due to hitting obstacles at said max speed. this is why the non-Gotway manufacturers will artificially set the max speeds even lower than the max power threshold (ala Gotway), and also why IMHO (especially after doing the math) messing with this restriction on the Z is dangerous.

 

Case in point: the latter bullet point happened to me (in a way) plenty back in the sub-1kW nominal motor (weaker) EUC days.

On my former 550W nominal InMotion V5 & 800W nominal IM V8, me being a mid-weight rider at ~80kg (with backpack weight) cruising on the edge of max speed / tiltback, I would every now and then hit an unexpected bump, where I would feel the weakening of the motor from the surge in power demand to keep the wheel + me balanced & upright.

For that split second, the wheel would technically cutout, then immediately trigger back and re-grab / re-balance. Mind you, this happened from non-aggressive riding. Many of these cutout videos I've seen posted, IMHO the riders have been riding pretty aggressively, pushing and 'testing' the wheel.

 

In short, for non-heavyweight riders, higher speeds on the Z is probably possible, but you better not hit a bump, especially when the battery has been significantly depleted. And you better not gain weight 

EUC is not like cars in terms of max speed, the limit is not an absolute number, you must always factor for the rider, conditions.

Well said 

I'm always espousing the benefits of the Pebble watch. One of the big benefits is the feedback you get from the watch as you hits bumps and divots in the road. My watch is set to 90-amps, at which point the watch buzzes on my wrist/hand (I have mine mounted on the Flexmeter wristguard). I can be cruising at 20-mph and hit a small bump and the watch will buzz. It wont buzz when the same bump is hit at 10-mph.

So after awhile you get to understand the large instantaneous loads that can be placed on your wheel. If you are riding at the upper end of your wheel's capability and you hit one of these bumps - faceplant!

[Afeez Kay]

15 minutes ago, houseofjob said:

One possible scenario: a heavy-ish rider (85kg+) on Z doing max speed at lower battery percentages, then hitting a bump.

• heavy riders are known to have decreased max speed in general (more power required), when compared to lighter riders on the same wheel.
• a wheel traveling at max speed / power load is more susceptible to sudden overpower cutting out due to hitting obstacles at said max speed. this is why the non-Gotway manufacturers will artificially set the max speeds even lower than the max power threshold (ala Gotway), and also why IMHO (especially after doing the math) messing with this restriction on the Z is dangerous.

 

Case in point: the latter bullet point happened to me (in a way) plenty back in the sub-1kW nominal motor (weaker) EUC days.

On my former 550W nominal InMotion V5 & 800W nominal IM V8, me being a mid-weight rider at ~80kg (with backpack weight) cruising on the edge of max speed / tiltback, I would every now and then hit an unexpected bump, where I would feel the weakening of the motor from the surge in power demand to keep the wheel + me balanced & upright.

For that split second, the wheel would technically cutout, then immediately trigger back and re-grab / re-balance. Mind you, this happened from non-aggressive riding. Many of these cutout videos I've seen posted, IMHO the riders have been riding pretty aggressively, pushing and 'testing' the wheel.

 

In short, for non-heavyweight riders, higher speeds on the Z is probably possible, but you better not hit a bump, especially when the battery has been significantly depleted. And you better not gain weight 

EUC is not like cars in terms of true max speed, the limit is not an absolute number, you must always factor for the rider, conditions.

Here here sir— well said 

Edited December 28, 2018 by Afeez Kay

[MRN76]

https://electrotransport.ru/ussr/index.php?topic=48837.msg1514887#msg1514887

[GyroRideRz]

6 hours ago, MRN76 said:

https://electrotransport.ru/ussr/index.php?topic=48837.msg1514887#msg1514887

Thanks for sharing very interesting.

Didn't thought it was possible to ride at this speed on snow !

[MRN76]

1 hour ago, GyroRideRz said:

Thanks for sharing very interesting.

Didn't thought it was possible to ride at this speed on snow ! 

The video wheel flashed mod 50km/h

[stephen]

16 minutes ago, MRN76 said:

The video wheel flashed mod 50km/h

So how do you get this mod, would it make it safer just in case you hit the max 28mph and went over a bit 

[MRN76]

25 minutes ago, stephen said:

So how do you get this mod, would it make it safer just in case you hit the max 28mph and went over a bit 

I do not give any guarantees, everything that you do is at your own peril and risk.

[Dominique Arnaud]

@MRN76 In another thread, you said that z6/Z10 hardware is the same, so we can flash a z6 to become a Z10.

But what's about the motor? Is it the same too over different models? Or is it only a lower battery?

[Chriull]

25 minutes ago, Dominique Arnaud said:

Or is it only a lower battery?

I never would use only for a battery just about half the size...

[Dominique Arnaud]

46 minutes ago, Chriull said:

I never would use only for a battery just about half the size...

Z6 is also half price 

So if motors are the same, and it's possible to flash a z10 modded firmware, I should be very interested.

Then I will see later to build a diy battery 

 

[palachzzz]

Motors are different, z6 motor has maximum speed about 61.5 km/h at full battery, z10 - 81.5 km/h

[Dominique Arnaud]

17 minutes ago, palachzzz said:

Motors are different, z6 motor has maximum speed about 61.5 km/h at full battery, z10 - 81.5 km/h

In what conditions this test have been made? With original unmodified wheels?

Because maximum speed can be locked by two factors: first the firmware, and secondary the maximum power the battery can deliver.

Is somebody tried to put z10 battery inside a z6, with a modded firmware from @MRN76? Or is somebody simply did a motor teardown of both models for a comparaison ?

[palachzzz]

Modded firmware. On stock fw z6 - 51.5km/h, z10 - 61.5 km/h.