Popular Post Inmotion Global Posted November 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2018 Hello Inmotion and EUC fans, This is Liam from InMotion HQ. I'm wondering if you have any advice for the new EUC of InMotion. Can you do me a favor? I will collect the information and report it to our R&D crew. For the past few months, we are not taking it seriously. But it's time for a change. Recently, I roll out a poll on Facebook about "What's the best Inmotion EUC" & " What‘s the features of your ideal wheel??" https://www.facebook.com/groups/ElectricUnicycle/?multi_permalinks=1884433704987917&notif_id=1541577267684622&notif_t=feedback_reaction_generic Yes. Most of them choose the V8 for its better performance and the ergonomic design of V8 handlebar. There is something you wanna see in the next EUC. Bigger Tire, maybe 18".( The biggest one, for now, is V10 series, 16") Bigger Battery Capacity. At least 1000Wh. Am I right? Faster. 50 km/h Top speed. V8 handlebar More steady App. Of course. If there is anything I missed, just let me know. It means a lot for us. Thanks again for your constant support to InMotion. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adampj Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 It would be great to see better availability of covers for the V10 and V8. A better handle for the V10 because of its weight. Keep up the good work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adampj Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 Oh and if you're looking for product testers, I'd be happy to help! 😄 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Svanfelt Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 Hi, Thanks for asking!! Unfortunately, I have never ride an Inmotion (but I hope for the opportunity) so my wishes rely on over three thousand kilometers experience of driving with an another brand during the summer: THE SHELL. I like simple and funtional designs and instead of a complicated light play on the sides of the shell, I would prefer two headlamps forwards. One LED light with less power for riding in the city and the other LED light as a remote light, strong enough for an safe traveling in the countryside or offroad. Weather Resistant. In fact, it may start to rain or snow when we are outdoors. You can not always count on the weather forecast, not even for the next hour. It would also be good with a second port to load the wheel in the car as well. Then it would be possible to charge the wheel if we want to travel long distances in areas where there is not possible to find a place for "normal" charging. THE WHEEL. I wish a tire of such a dimension that it would be easier for us to find new tires when it's time to replace it with a new one. It also needs to be of such a size that you can purchase a stud tire for winter time riding. 18'' - 20''. CAPACITY. Many countries have regulated the maximum speed of this type of vehicle at 20-25 km / h, so it does not have to be a Formula1 EUC. As insured, the maximum speed in many countries is 30-50 km / h. Personally, I wish that it would be possible to ride at these speeds at least 90 km / charge. Regards Carl 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chriull Posted November 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Liamfind said: If there is anything I missed, just let me know. It means a lot for us. Imo there are two main factions - one looking for a small lightweight but still powerful wheel and the other looking for: 1 hour ago, Liamfind said: Bigger Battery Capacity. At least 1000Wh. Am I right? Faster. 50 km/h Top speed. For the first "faction" an improved V8 (lighter and more powerful ) could fit and for the other a "Monster" V10F". I have no idea of 18 inch wheels - never experienced one. Many here seem to be very happy with them - but maybe just because they have the biggest batteries? Another very interesting niche could be something like the IPS i5 - really small and lightweight? Also when the regulations in germany come and if they allow EUCs at all they'll need wheels limited to something like 20-25 km/h and some limited motor power... ... and some integrated bell *scnr* Personally i am very happy by now with my KS16S - maybe next year (after wintertime) i'll look if i see something interesting on the market. A little bit more power, more battery, with about the same weight, more pedal ground clearance and most important safety and reliability. Including a sturdy axle and a well working heat dissipation solution! I am not the lightest person, but every kg makes a big difference going up a hill... ;( From the firmware side a new tiltback implementation would be great! Without a fixed starting speed threshold so that one cannot be catapulted from the wheel if one accelerates too fast into the tiltback. Maybe with more intelligent limit than just some speed limit - maybe your r&d team can implement something based on speed, acceleration and real motor limits like described here: https://forum.electricunicycle.org/topic/7855-anatomy-of-an-overlean/?do=findComment&comment=121971 A "motor" sound (from muscle car to star trek ion drive) could be real nice - especially if it gives audible feedback like a car motor sounds different when under burden and coming near the rev limit. Maybe with speed dependend loudness control (or optionally just to be heard via earphones and the phone app) 1 hour ago, Liamfind said: More steady App. Of course. Afair the battery drain is the biggest problem by now? Don't know how it is actually, but an app not needing a internet connection everytime is a big plus! 1 hour ago, Liamfind said: V8 handlebar I don't know the V8 handlebar - but a good handlebar is a must (for me. Maybe just not for an real lightweight small EUC.) Edit: PS.: A reasonable not so slow charger, especially for the bigger battery options is also very very comfortable! I use by now an 8 Ampere Charger (with a modified plug of course) and would never change back to a wheel with an 1,5 Ampere charger! Edited November 22, 2018 by Chriull 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Demargon Posted November 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2018 (edited) I like the v10 handlebar, is very usefull. Allow the lovelly thin body desing, and keeps the IP in 55, not IP45 like v8 with his weak handlebar. The v10f is really good euc, I would keep his shape and maybe give it a seat option. Make it ligther, faster and last longer would be great, but first it needs to fix the miscalibration/pedaldiving in sharp turns and make the tire acces easy. Also it need tougth bumpers/mudguards, pedals axis and cranks. My desing for a v10 seat: Edited November 22, 2018 by Demargon 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Blitzwheelz Posted November 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2018 I think improving on the existing V8 is a great idea. perhaps something like a V8-S ? POWER / WEIGHT I think maintaining the weight but being able to increase the power and battery would be great. MOBILE APP IOS / ANDROID A cleaner looking app and removing its social functions would be nice, focusing more on adding software customize features of the wheel. BUTTONS it would be nice to have an extra 1-2 buttons(waterproof) that can be programmed to do certain functions like setting the speed limit or alarm functions. SAFETY Adding more redundancies both hardware and software. If possible, it would also be nice to have and lcd display showing basic information like temperature , battery level and speed limit( based on battery level) and system error codes (like check engine light in cars). Also making it more suitable to extreme weathers like winter. TROLLEY the trolley design of the V8 is already great as it is, but still can be improved by making it slighty stronger and easier to eject from the shell. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jason McNeil Posted November 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2018 (edited) @Liamfind, it's always great to see some involvement at the Manufacturer level. Before moving onto a new product, I think Inmotion should first focus on improving the V10/V10F to make it a Best-of-Class product that it deserves; it's 95% of the way there for hardware, but needs some inexpensive tweaks, that your Customers have been requesting for months. Both King Song & Gotway have been pretty good with Continual Model Improvement, but we haven't seen much of this practice at Inmotion. Handle Play: the external handle mount is fine, keeps the internal space available for the ~1kWh battery, but the 5cm of play in the handle, going all the way back to the V5F days (more than 2 years ago), is completely necessary & is a real problem with a 20kg Wheel. The folding hinge joint needs to be retooled with smaller tolerances to eliminate this play. Reducing Speed Throttle at <70% SOC: a battery of ~1kWh provides plenty of surplus power all the way down to 3.2-3.3v, a chief compliant among V10 Customers is that while it's great to have 40kph cruising speed, this performance is available for only 30% of the total capacity of the pack. It seems the Engineers have not taken into account the capabilities of the hardware in the V10/F for programming the throttling levels. On machines like the Gotway Tesla, other manufacturers have demonstrated that it is possible to provide Customers with longer high speed cruising duration, without sacrificing safety. Controller Performance: Gotway have introduced the HY MOSFETS with the TO-247 packaging, which has a huge heatsink. The empirical evidence from veteran Riders, like @Marty Backe, is that these boards are almost completely immune to over-heating & have an incredibly high reliability rate. The V10/F is one of the most susceptible machines to overheating, this greatly limits it's utility for hill climbing & operation in environments with high ambient temperatures. Waterproofing: no doubt you're aware of the deficiencies in this area on the early V10Fs & the toll it took to the reputation of the product & cost to the distributors performing the recall. Any details you can share on what improvements have been made at both the organizational level & technical changes to prevent this from ever occurring again would help to restore some trust in the Company. Sensible Spare Parts Pricing: as a Dealer, charging nearly $200 for a replacement controller makes it extremely difficult to offer onsite spare parts service for Customers. While many of the parts prices are inline with what other suppliers charge, there needs to be some rationalization for certain parts. Edited November 22, 2018 by Jason McNeil 15 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mono Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 3 hours ago, Liamfind said: If there is anything I missed, just let me know. It means a lot for us. Weight, please! A wheel that will become popular and used by many people for short (<6km) and mixed commutes must be on the lighter side. Larger, heavier, and faster is for long commutes, touring and leisure. To my impression, this is the use case of the majority of active members in this forum. It is foreseeable that EUCs will become (more heavily) regulated when they become more popular. In particular heavy and fast wheels are bound to hit regulation limits sooner or later. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Meng Yang Posted November 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2018 I ride a V8 and Tesla. Legal device: Must be UL-2272 certified. Otherwise, come 2019, it is illegal (by law) to sell any other non-certified EUCs in my country. Weight: Hope to see it remains under 20 kg. I carry my V8 up and down 4 floors multiple times a day. Motor: 3000W motor. Even Tesla's top speed & acceleration isn't able to satisfy me. Perhaps something with more acceleration and top speed (60-70 kph) will be nice. Music: I don't ride without blasting music. My main aim is safety coz people ahead knows I'm coming through at high speed. I hope to see internal speakers with more power (and BASS) than the typical JBL Flip 4. Lights: Must have rear red light. More importantly, hope to see a front white light of at least 1500 lumens, coz I dare not go fast at night as both my V8 and Tesla's front light aren't bright enough to see far ahead. I have a 1000 lumens handheld flashlight, but its also not enough for high speed. Buttons: Swap the way the power and lights button operates. Why? It's scary when you just accidentally touch the power button and wheel powers off suddenly. Better to make it "Long Hold" to power ON/OFF. Lights can be operated by single press. Battery: At least 1500wh. I want to go really far! Wheel: 18-19 inches would be nice. 16 inch is not great for high speed. Wider tires too, would be nice. Pedals: Even higher pedals would be nice, coz neither V8 or Tesla have high-enough pedals. I often scrap pedals on the ground when I do sharp corners. Protective Cover: An even thicker protective cover than the one currently offered for the V8. It's a really good thing to have. App: To allow electronically LOCKing of wheel. Auto-pilot: We've seen the Segway mini-Pro self moving towards or follow the user (when not ridden). We've also seen companies like BMW prototyping motorcycles that can self-balance/ridden with or without the rider. Thus, I dream of a day an EUC wheel can auto-pendulum itself to balance and follow its owner (on foot) around without being ridden. Then, we can do away with the trolley handle. In short, V10F will not be my next upgrade. If Inmotion doesn't come up with a stronger wheel than Tesla, then my only upgrade path in future is MSuper X. p/s: Tell you a secret, I still like my V8 a tad more than my Tesla coz its a more practical and usable wheel overall. ;p 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanCar Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 (edited) Can we get an EUC that has special design for climbing stairs? A tire knobby thread design that can grip the edge of a stairs might work. Lots of power to climb would be cool. Large tire is nice to smooth out bumps but heavy has its disadvantages. I'm enjoying my v8 very much so thanks a ton! Other interesting options: 1. Camera mount 2. Place to attach a trailer. Wondering if I could carry my children in a trailer or use trailer to carry stuff. Edited November 22, 2018 by DanCar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z3n Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 10 hours ago, Liamfind said: This is Liam from InMotion HQ. I'm wondering if you have any advice for the new EUC of InMotion. Can you do me a favor? I will collect the information and report it to our R&D crew. Recently, I roll out a poll on Facebook about "What's the best Inmotion EUC" & " What‘s the features of your ideal wheel??" Hi Liam, I want this to be my next InMotion EUC! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professur Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 I haven't begun to push the limits of my V5f ... but the walker handle is a brilliant bit of design IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elder Meat Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 Different people want different things. The two target audiences are commuters who value lighter weight and recreational riders who want higher speed and range. Having said that dealing with the tire is a common pain point. Have quick change tires. Fixing a flat may not be quick, but a faster way to access the tire would be really nice. Using the V10F as an example, you have to remove the foot pedals and outer shells before you can access the 8 hex sockets that secure the motor to the inner shell. Why not have quick-access covers that allow you to remove those 8 hex sockets and unplug the motor? Tubeless tires may also reduce the chance of flats. Easy access to the air valve. Having to use a valve extender is annoying. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockyTop Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 (edited) The V8 was a good wheel back in the day because it had a good balance of qualities. I see that most people that have responded want a lighter smaller wheel with a longer range. This might be a good direction for InMotion. InMotion could make small wheels for storage and tricks. Maybe start a kid's line. This also tells me that most people over 150 pounds and aggressive riders have given up on InMotion ever having a wheel that they can ride. That is OK. Luckily we have GotWay. The most important thing is to keep the fans that you have by making good quality wheels for them. (seriously , I would beef up the electronics) Edited November 23, 2018 by RockyTop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inmotion Global Posted November 23, 2018 Author Share Posted November 23, 2018 17 hours ago, adampj said: It would be great to see better availability of covers for the V10 and V8. A better handle for the V10 because of its weight. Keep up the good work! @adampj Don't worried. We will improve the handle using experience in the next EUC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dieterGRAMS Posted November 23, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 23, 2018 I stated my thoughts in another thread but I'll also state them here: I think you guys should build a high-performance 14" wheel. Using a 14x3" tire would add stability and lifting the pedal height would also add safety. With the EUC market maturing, you will see an increase in sport usages. Such as Polo! The 14" wheels have a HUGE advantage in things like Polo. 14" wheels make better errand wheels. I hate using my MSX to go grab beers from the store. Even the Tesla was a bit annoying to grab for a short run VS my MCM4. But now, the pedal clearance on the mcm4 makes it nearly impossible to ride coming from the MSX daily. Unless you are going to best Gotway at their own game in the 18"+ class of wheel, don't bother. People are having a hard enough time accepting the 18L spec sheet vs the MSX and the 18l is a perfectly fine machine IMO. Most of us in NY are waiting for a Monster update but it doesn't sound like you want to take it to that level. 14" x 3" tire high pedals 45km/h balanced weight +800wh batt. While everyone thinks the 14" wheel is a beginners wheel, I beg to differ. The 14" wheel gives a true "hover" feeling. They are smooth, and snappy. Build one for experienced riders! Be the king of small EUC! 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houseofjob Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 1 hour ago, dieterGRAMS said: I stated my thoughts in another thread but I'll also state them here: I think you guys should build a high-performance 14" wheel. Using a 14x3" tire would add stability and lifting the pedal height would also add safety. With the EUC market maturing, you will see an increase in sport usages. Such as Polo! The 14" wheels have a HUGE advantage in things like Polo. 14" wheels make better errand wheels. I hate using my MSX to go grab beers from the store. Even the Tesla was a bit annoying to grab for a short run VS my MCM4. But now, the pedal clearance on the mcm4 makes it nearly impossible to ride coming from the MSX daily. Unless you are going to best Gotway at their own game in the 18"+ class of wheel, don't bother. People are having a hard enough time accepting the 18L spec sheet vs the MSX and the 18l is a perfectly fine machine IMO. Most of us in NY are waiting for a Monster update but it doesn't sound like you want to take it to that level. 14" x 3" tire high pedals 45km/h balanced weight +800wh batt. While everyone thinks the 14" wheel is a beginners wheel, I beg to differ. The 14" wheel gives a true "hover" feeling. They are smooth, and snappy. Build one for experienced riders! Be the king of small EUC! Ummmm.... what he said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jon Stern Posted November 23, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 23, 2018 Here's a tip, keep your UX consistent between products. If I assume the Solowheel-branded products work the same as the Inmotion ones, something that makes no sense is the power button/headlamp function swapping between the V5 and V8. In the V5, power requires a long-press, and headlamp a short. When I switched to the V8, I found it reversed. What's more, a short press for power is worse for safety. I loaded my V8 in to the back of my wife's car a week ago, and somehow her foot pressed the power button and the wheel spun up. Now there's a deep burn mark in the carpet and a big chunk melted from the plastic door seal cover. (Fortunately, the car has nearly 200k miles on it, and will be replaced when a new car arrives in Jan, so we're not concerned about the car.) Hopefully my tire isn't damaged. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbas Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 There are VERY few options for a city settler wheel where you spend majority of your time riding on sidewalks (thus often quite uneven surface), among people, going up/down stairs, carrying over high curbs. A light, relatively small, nimble and stable, but somewhat powerful wheel is needed for that. I don't feel the need for big battery as distances are relatively short and you have plenty of places to charge your wheel, neither there is a need for 40+ km/h speeds as there is simply no room for you to safely fly at that speed for long enough. However, more than 800w power is needed so that I could aggresively and safely accelerate from 5 km/h to 30 km/h or go uphills at decent speed. I feel like people asking for super high power, high capacity, high speed wheel are already fairly well covered by V10F, 18L, Z10, MSX. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siggy Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 18 hours ago, Meng Yang said: I ride a V8 and Tesla. Legal device: Must be UL-2272 certified. Otherwise, come 2019, it is illegal (by law) to sell any other non-certified EUCs in my country. Weight: Hope to see it remains under 20 kg. I carry my V8 up and down 4 floors multiple times a day. Motor: 3000W motor. Even Tesla's top speed & acceleration isn't able to satisfy me. Perhaps something with more acceleration and top speed (60-70 kph) will be nice. Music: I don't ride without blasting music. My main aim is safety coz people ahead knows I'm coming through at high speed. I hope to see internal speakers with more power (and BASS) than the typical JBL Flip 4. Lights: Must have rear red light. More importantly, hope to see a front white light of at least 1500 lumens, coz I dare not go fast at night as both my V8 and Tesla's front light aren't bright enough to see far ahead. I have a 1000 lumens handheld flashlight, but its also not enough for high speed. Buttons: Swap the way the power and lights button operates. Why? It's scary when you just accidentally touch the power button and wheel powers off suddenly. Better to make it "Long Hold" to power ON/OFF. Lights can be operated by single press. Battery: At least 1500wh. I want to go really far! Wheel: 18-19 inches would be nice. 16 inch is not great for high speed. Wider tires too, would be nice. Pedals: Even higher pedals would be nice, coz neither V8 or Tesla have high-enough pedals. I often scrap pedals on the ground when I do sharp corners. Protective Cover: An even thicker protective cover than the one currently offered for the V8. It's a really good thing to have. App: To allow electronically LOCKing of wheel. Auto-pilot: We've seen the Segway mini-Pro self moving towards or follow the user (when not ridden). We've also seen companies like BMW prototyping motorcycles that can self-balance/ridden with or without the rider. Thus, I dream of a day an EUC wheel can auto-pendulum itself to balance and follow its owner (on foot) around without being ridden. Then, we can do away with the trolley handle. In short, V10F will not be my next upgrade. If Inmotion doesn't come up with a stronger wheel than Tesla, then my only upgrade path in future is MSuper X. p/s: Tell you a secret, I still like my V8 a tad more than my Tesla coz its a more practical and usable wheel overall. ;p This!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inmotion Global Posted November 23, 2018 Author Share Posted November 23, 2018 19 hours ago, Meng Yang said: Motor: 3000W motor. Even Tesla's top speed & acceleration isn't able to satisfy me. Perhaps something with more acceleration and top speed (60-70 kph) will be nice. @Meng Yang Sorry. Top speed at 60-70 kph will hard for us to accomplish. 60-70 kph is too dangerous even if you are wearing a helmet and other protective staff. Don't you think? 19 hours ago, Meng Yang said: Auto-pilot: We've seen the Segway mini-Pro self moving towards or follow the user (when not ridden). We've also seen companies like BMW prototyping motorcycles that can self-balance/ridden with or without the rider. Thus, I dream of a day an EUC wheel can auto-pendulum itself to balance and follow its owner (on foot) around without being ridden. Then, we can do away with the trolley handle. In short, V10F will not be my next upgrade. If Inmotion doesn't come up with a stronger wheel than Tesla, then my only upgrade path in future is MSuper X. p/s: Tell you a secret, I still like my V8 a tad more than my Tesla coz its a more practical and usable wheel overall. ;p It sounds like a good idea for distance riding. I sure that the next EUC will be stronger. Let's wait. Among all the InMotion wheels, V8 is also my favorite one. No doubt for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inmotion Global Posted November 23, 2018 Author Share Posted November 23, 2018 22 hours ago, Chriull said: Also when the regulations in germany come and if they allow EUCs at all they'll need wheels limited to something like 20-25 km/h and some limited motor power... @Chriull Yep. The local regulation for the motorized vehicle is still very strict in Germany. For the current situation, no need to improve the top need in Germany. Still waiting for the new regulation. 22 hours ago, Chriull said: A "motor" sound (from muscle car to star trek ion drive) could be real nice - especially if it gives audible feedback like a car motor sounds different when under burden and coming near the rev limit. Maybe with speed dependend loudness control (or optionally just to be heard via earphones and the phone app) Really? Like the movie Furious? I guess the only way to make it is to driving Motorbike or car. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inmotion Global Posted November 23, 2018 Author Share Posted November 23, 2018 21 hours ago, Demargon said: I like the v10 handlebar, is very usefull. Allow the lovelly thin body desing, and keeps the IP in 55, not IP45 like v8 with his weak handlebar. The v10f is really good euc, I would keep his shape and maybe give it a seat option. Make it ligther, faster and last longer would be great, but first it needs to fix the miscalibration/pedaldiving in sharp turns and make the tire acces easy. Also it need tougth bumpers/mudguards, pedals axis and cranks. @Demargon So here comes the question. Many other EUC guys think that the handlebar of V8 design is better and more ergonomic but it's weaker than V10. Sometimes, you just have to make a decision when nothing's perfect. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herbas Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 41 minutes ago, Liamfind said: @Demargon So here comes the question. Many other EUC guys think that the handlebar of V8 design is better and more ergonomic but it's weaker than V10. Sometimes, you just have to make a decision when nothing's perfect. If you keep V8 handlebar design, then at least adjust it in the way that if it gets broken, you can still disassemble the wheel. When my handlebar got stuck, I had big trouble accessing the wheel, because in order to remove the side panel you need to pull out the handle... which was stuck. Catch 22. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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