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GT16 Top Speed Test - Fall at 51km/h without protection

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And the sad thing is that he is well protected in his other videos plus he looks old enough not to do stupid things like that.

Hope the shit wont hit the fan.

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On 11/28/2018 at 9:42 PM, Mono said:

That doesn't come as a big surprise. I have downloaded it but I will respect the will of the original poster and not put it online again. It's not super interesting in itself anyways.

Given that a new, doctored video has come out, I had to re-evaluate my position somewhat. Below is a shot of parts of the first and the second video in the decisive moment right before the fall, when the left arm has gone up and is horizontal at this moment, as it can be seen over the horizon to the left. In the top case, the battery charge status started with over 70% and went under 50% during the first acceleration, back to over 70% at the turn and down again on the second leg to 48% and 37ºC at the moment of the accident. Otherwise, spot the differences/mistakes by yourselves:

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EDIT: now it's out there anyway:

1 hour ago, Jean Dublin said:

Too late, the news outlets have the video all over the place already...

https://www.20minutos.es/noticia/3504113/0/hombre-estrella-monociclo-madrid/

I guess the lesson to learn is: we should all urge your fellow riders to please not do this kind of non-sense in the first place. I hope it's not too late.

 

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6 hours ago, Scatcat said:

That's just my

Thanks.

6 hours ago, Scatcat said:

you can take it or leave it as you see fit.

Well aware. 

6 hours ago, Scatcat said:

That's no skin off my nose.

Cool. 

Edited by Lutalo

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4 hours ago, Jean Dublin said:

I didn't know about that official top speed. But I know that Rockwheel gave me recommend maximum speeds depending on the battery level panel/voltage. The maximum for over 78V was 35km/h.

I had the tilt back set at 37km/h from the first day, even before I knew about that recommend max speed, but I knew some people were doing 45km/h (or even heard 54km/h), so I knew 37km/h was "safe". 

Yeah, @Yi Chen posted recommended max speeds at different charge levels. He is cool that way, rather than hollering the GT16 can do 50, he tries to get us to use a reasonable safety margin. But the cut off in the air for the GT16 is at ~65 or so, if I don't misremember. I'm not sure ~48 kph is really "official", but it has been the speed talked about as the max "safe" speed at 100% battery. I wouldn't try it personally, since I'm not weighing in at 60 kgs dripping wet, as many of those Chinese test riders are... For me I counted 40-42 as the practical max, and then only in ideal conditions.

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4 hours ago, Jean Dublin said:

Too late, the news outlets have the video all over the place already...

https://www.20minutos.es/noticia/3504113/0/hombre-estrella-monociclo-madrid/

FFS, this isn't good. As if the general cluelessness among politicians how to handle these new tech wasn't enough. Now we get clickbait á la EUC in the papers! :facepalm:

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I can't imagine how 48km/h could be close to safe when the empty cut off is 65km/h. Not for me anyways.

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On 11/28/2018 at 9:36 PM, Mono said:

Too late, sorry.

OK, I was maybe too quick :)

On 11/27/2018 at 5:48 PM, Lutalo said:

 This is cancerous. You are actually microscoping my analogy?

Yes, I was scrutinizing an analogy.

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Dude. Your friends and coworkers must consider you an absolute blast.

They do, actually, thanks for caring. I find bad arguments in favor of my favorite pet theory (or in favor of the good guys, if you like) more unsettling than bad arguments against. Hence I do call out bad arguments on either side. This also helps keeping confirmation bias under control, even a lot, I believe. Not everyone needs to appreciate that, that's fine too.

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My comment was about the video and a guy who obviously did something dangerous. Yet, you want to debate minutiae?

I am passing on this one :D

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Just googled it, it’s all over the place. :facepalm:

Now they all go and see the video with the fake km/h, he should really take that video down from YouTube.

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Over 120K views on one of the Facebook videos from a Spanish newspapers' page...
After only 23h!

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25 minutes ago, Roadrunner said:

Just googled it, it’s all over the place. :facepalm:

Now they all go and see the video with the fake km/h, he should really take that video down from YouTube.

I didn't find much in English news (which will come soon), but I see a few English new outlets asking on the new video's comments if they can get permission to use it.

I wonder how did the other ones use the video without permission, as that is illegal.
I can also imagine the news picking the story again to highlight the new video with the changed speed...

@Reciodvd , will you sue them for using the video without your permission?

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The fake speed video might come back to bite us. " Look how dangerous these things are at 17km/h. I heard that some of them can go 60km/h"

 I have had this happen with other suject matter. 

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65kmph cut off for sure as you guys mention and 48kmph is pretty close to the ‘safe’ limit.

Thats for 1036wh I assume and a medium to light body weight?

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5 hours ago, RockyTop said:

El video falso de velocidad podría volver a mordernos. "Mire qué peligrosas son estas cosas a 17 km / h. Escuché que algunas de ellas pueden recorrer 60 km / h"

video borrado

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6 hours ago, Scatcat said:

@Reciodvd

What should have been done, would be to provide an explanation and an apology. ...

"I did a really stupid thing. To even be able to go that fast, I had to disable all the safety features of my electrical unicycle.'
"I thought I knew what I was doing, but I clearly didn't. Something that should be obvious from the fact that I didn't even wear a helmet, which I normally do.
"Luckily my hurts will heal quickly, but I may well have hurt our hobby permanently. I am now afraid that my stupidity will affect all those riders that are much more careful than me.
"Please don't let my personal stupidity affect all those that ride legally! That would be a real tragedy."

 

I read the comment on the original video, he did explain that he did something stupid, that he should have worn protection (which he usually does) and that it was not needed for him to use the wheel at that moment and he used it only to "test the limits", which again, was stupid, mainly without protection.
He also said he hoped the video would help make other riders aware of the danger of going too fast and he hoped nobody else would be as stupid as he was by doing that.

On the description of the 2nd video he was complaining about the media not even reading the description of the first video, and only taking the images and making up a story that would make the headlines, pretty much clickbate, which clearly worked well for the media.

The only way to have those messages visible would have been to have them in the middle of the video (not even after the fall, as the media may even have cut that part...)
To predict that this would get this far would not have been easy.


@Reciodvd
Thanks for deleting the 2nd/new/fake video.
You did something stupid, you recognised it and shared that with the idea of showing other riders what can happen. I understand that you didn't think of the consecuences.


Don't mind or don't even read all the comments people are doing online, as there is very bad comments.
I hope this will server as a lesson for you and the whole community.


Many other people in the community fell and recorded the fall, some of them uploaded it and also broke some bones.
They were lucky not to be put in the spotlight by the media, like it happened on this case (with people making all sorts of stupid and cruel comments).

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25 minutes ago, Jean Dublin said:

 

I read the comment on the original video, he did explain that he did something stupid, that he should have worn protection (which he usually does) and that it was not needed for him to use the wheel at that moment and he used it only to "test the limits", which again, was stupid, mainly without protection.
He also said he hoped the video would help make other riders aware of the danger of going too fast and he hoped nobody else would be as stupid as he was by doing that.

On the description of the 2nd video he was complaining about the media not even reading the description of the first video, and only taking the images and making up a story that would make the headlines, pretty much clickbate, which clearly worked well for the media.

The only way to have those messages visible would have been to have them in the middle of the video (not even after the fall, as the media may even have cut that part...)
To predict that this would get this far would not have been easy.


@Reciodvd
Thanks for deleting the 2nd/new/fake video.
You did something stupid, you recognised it and shared that with the idea of showing other riders what can happen. I understand that you didn't think of the consecuences.


Don't mind or don't even read all the comments people are doing online, as there is very bad comments.
I hope this will server as a lesson for you and the whole community.


Many other people in the community fell and recorded the fall, some of them uploaded it and also broke some bones.
They were lucky not to be put in the spotlight by the media, like it happened on this case (with people making all sorts of stupid and cruel comments).

If the second video is down, that is all good.

Understand that I'm not trying to be mean or grill him unneccesarily. But most of those who has any kind of experience with situations where the media coverage have run out of control, probably know that the worst thing you can do, is to come across as anything short of earnest...

Having two videos out with different speed readings is bad whichever video is the correct one. But when the second video clearly has a higher mileage count, and just about anyone with a stopwatch and knowledge of street-markings can clock the speed as much higher than what the speedometer says, then it is REALLY bad.

If he were me, I would contact the paper where the first article appeared, to ask them to publish a comment from me where I explain what happened and why it was stupid.

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15 minutes ago, Scatcat said:

Si él fuera yo, me pondría en contacto con el periódico donde apareció el primer artículo, para pedirles que publicaran un comentario donde explique qué sucedió y por qué fue estúpido.

 entiendo lo que dices pero eso ya no serviría para nada, lo mejor es que pase y se acabe todo

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23 minutes ago, Reciodvd said:

 entiendo lo que dices pero eso ya no serviría para nada, lo mejor es que pase y se acabe todo

Maybe, maybe not. But I'm me and you're you, so you make your own decisions.

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2 hours ago, Reciodvd said:

 entiendo lo que dices pero eso ya no serviría para nada, lo mejor es que pase y se acabe todo

How did they get permission (license?) to use your video?

Cómo han conseguido permiso para utilizar tu vídeo?

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On 11/30/2018 at 5:34 PM, Jean Dublin said:

I wonder how did the other ones use the video without permission, as that is illegal.

youtube license?

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26 minutes ago, Mono said:

youtube license?

Maybe they can say it is "Fair Use" because they only took a small part of the video (it went on for many more minutes as he waited for someone to pick him up).

https://www.quora.com/How-much-of-someones-youtube-video-can-I-use-in-my-youtube-video

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