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9 minutes ago, stephen said:

I don't think I'm ever sell my MSX😊😊

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2 hours ago, stephen said:

Nikola pedals😊


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It might be a perspective thing, but the other pedal looks as if it has a lot steeper dihedral angle. By default my MSX had 13 and 15 degree angles. I would measure the angles to make sure you are not riding lopsided.

 

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I did measure them when installed , i was holding wheel and taking pic and had wheel leaned over a bit to one side 😊

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2 hours ago, mrelwood said:

This sounds unbelieveable, but after about five ordered tires from China during 2 years, I finally received the exact tire I ordered! So, I today installed the Chaoyang H-666 18x3.0" on my MSX.

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This tire is fat. During install I was worried that it wouldn't even have enough clearance. It was also a lot tighter to install on the rim, but that is probably more about being a new tire, compared to the original that now has 5000km on it.

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I'm having some health issues right now, so I only took it on a very peaceful 5 minute ride. Immediate observations:

  • Doesn't stick to the pavement at crawling speeds like the original did. This makes hip-turning (and 90° turns on a spot) a whole lot easier.
  • Doesn't stay upright nearly as aggressively as the (worn) original. One can actually carve on this thing!
  • Feels more stable on the few muddy spots I tried it on. This was the main reason for the upgrade.
  • I pumped the tire up to 3 bars which is higher than my usual, to get rid of the packaging deformations. The tire did feel more comfortable than the original did at 3 bars. I'm sure it will be a good deal more comfortable at my regular 2.5-2.7 bars than the original.

I am a bit worried about the clearance though. The original tire measures 2.75" edge to edge, this one is 2.9". The wheel well is 3.1". And as the MSX motor/rim is slightly off center, there is less than 0.1" clearance on the other side.

Feels like a great tire so far!

You've mentioned so many tries to order the exact tyre from China ...

It reminds me my wife's eBay shoes shopping from China, she may get the correct shoes at every time, but ALWAYS wrong size !?

hahahaaa :)

I hope you will feel better as soon as possible to enjoy a longer ride, and get better knowledge regarding the new tyre @mrelwood :)

Best regards.

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That tyre looks Fat😊 i know your not feeling well ,,, hope all is ok,,, but 😊 any chance of some more pics maybe side view to see how tall the side wall is and your old tyre in front of new one looking down ,

Hope your back up soon and enjoying some rides , take care 🤘

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That's weird, cause I've never been considering the Gotway Msuper X as an upgrade, but since last Thursday @stephen :) I can't think about anything else?!

I'm checking the reviews, pricing , lol :)

It is very good wheel!

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1 hour ago, PogArt Artur said:

That's weird, cause I've never been considering the Gotway Msuper X as an upgrade, but since last Thursday @stephen :) I can't think about anything else?!

I'm checking the reviews, pricing , lol :)

It is very good wheel!

The new nikola pedals has made my wheel amazing , I'm going to a videos showing the carving when i get time 😊 

Better for leaning ,acceleration,grip, and foot placement, keeps you locked in,best upgrade Ever

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18 minutes ago, stephen said:

The new nikola pedals has made my wheel amazing , I'm going to a videos showing the carving when i get time 😊 

Better for leaning ,acceleration,grip, and foot placement, keeps you locked in,best upgrade Ever

It seems I've got somebody to follow, lol :)

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3 hours ago, stephen said:

Hope your back up soon and enjoying some rides , take care 🤘

Thanks guys! Spent the better part of past week in a hospital, but luckily things are looking well. Can't wait to build up stamina for longer rides!

Took a few photos. They link to an album with a few more:

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15 minutes ago, mrelwood said:

Thanks guys! Spent the better part of past week in a hospital, but luckily things are looking well. Can't wait to build up stamina for longer rides!

Took a few photos. They link to an album with a few more:

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WHAT A TYRE !!! 

SICK TYRE! :):):)

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Not completely new mods, but I took the time yesterday to update the side pads (including acceleration and brake assisting risers) and the heel suspension. Sorry about the tape residue, I forgot to buy more LabelOff.

The MSX has a nasty edge at the top of the shell where the original side pad is supposed to reside in. My previous side pad had to be thick so I wouldn't feel the edge on my leg.

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This time I wanted to go narrower, so I took the edge off:

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The first layer of EVA foam padding extends the practical height of the shell and sets the leg contact point higher:

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Then the risers:

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And a soft layer of baby bumper:

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The EVA foam risers are a good bit harder than my previous ones, which helps the braking a lot. Braking is very natural, I just lean back and the risers will catch my legs increasing the braking power, and I don't have to lean hard enough to feel the burden in my legs and feet as I used to. Although, accelerating on bumpy surface would benefit from softer front risers, as these make the acceleration a bit aggressive at each tiny uphill of a bump.

Unfortunately I don't have any pics on the insides of the heel shock absorbers, so a drawing will have to do. The DIY "bigfoot" top plate is screwed to the pedal frame only at the front, and the rear screws are long enough to leave a 11mm gap when fully tightened. A few silicone bits (cast myself from a regular bathroom silicone sealant), and a few bits of purchased sponge foam, are positioned under the heel part of the DIY top plate. It seems that finding the optimal amount and positions for the bits is a neverending process, but the current implementation works very well, and I was able to up the tire pressure to 2.8 bars without ill efects to my tender knees. Silicone only made the behaviour slightly wobbly at times, but the current mix of materials doesn't do that at all, and the control is all there, no matter the surface I'm riding.

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16 minutes ago, mrelwood said:

~200km tire review - Chaoyang H-666, 18x3.0"

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Now that I have a few weeks down with the new tire, I feel like I can give a proper review. For more photos, scroll a few posts back up.

Size

Despite the same "18x3.0" designation, the H-666 is 0.2" wider than the original, leaving just 0.1" for clearance per side. Pinecones and the rare few pebbles that have gotten dragged in make more noise, but haven't affected the riding otherwise. Before aligning the shell the right side of the tire would scrape on the shell as soon as I put more weight on the right foot, but loosening the shell-to-pedal bracket screws (6 per side) and aligning the tire to the center of the wheel well helped some. Will do the alignment again, since it can still touch during one-legged takeoff.

Riding properties

Despite being wider, the H-666 has less tendency to stay upright during a turn. The original tire was pretty worn after 5000km, but I think even when new the original did force the wheel upright more. The difference is not huge but easily noticeable, and I consider the change to be a good one since turning at high speed takes less effort this way. I don't hear or feel additional noises or vibrations on any surface. At first I thought that the H-666 was more comfortable in taking bumps, but I'm not sure anymore. Could be that the newly pumped tire pressure settled to a lower value causing a more comfy feel. Then again, I don't feel the same little wobbly bouncing that I used to when riding down curbs or hitting larger cracks on pavement.

What is phenomenal is the H-666's directionality when transitioning from one surface to another. Pavement to gravel, and even onto soft fine gravel is no problem, the change in behaviour is unnaturally tiny.

When twisting the MSX on pavement, the H-666 turns a good bit better than the original did. The original stuck to the pavement and was very hard to turn by twisting.

Grip

The original H-5102 tire was bad at mud, wet moss, wet grass and other challenging conditions, even when new. When worn, it got dangerous. The few muddy spots I rode while the snow was melting this spring were extremely unstable despite riding at less than walking speed. I realized that I had put off off-roading several times because of the tire. And whenever I saw anything wet, I slowed down to a crawl. It was stressful.

The grip on the H-666 is magnificent on every surface, wet or dry! It is not a knobby tire, so wet mud is still slippery, but in a very predictable manner. I'm no longer afraid of the muddy spots! When trying a very steep climb onto a cliff that I struggle with even under dry conditions, the wheel lost it's grip and ability to balance very slowly and gracefully. Then I just calmly stepped off without the slightest bit of drama. Turned out the tire had been skidding on and throwing back wet moss for a good few meters. Even crossing tough 10" deep muddy ruts has been surprisingly succesful so far.

Combined with the astonishing directionality, the magnificent grip and the ability to carve better has made me ride 90° turns way faster than I've ever done. On pavement, fine gravel, and even on large loose gravel. It is an exciting new experience, to ride tight turns on bike paths at speeds that used to be unimaginable. It's humorous how quickly the turn is done!

Milage (92kg rider + gear)

Unfortunately I didn't gather any data during the tire change. The 1600Wh MSX range has started to bother me a bit this spring, but then again I ride and accelerate quite a bit faster than I used to, and I ride more off-road. Both even more now that the H-666 enables me to do so. Today I got the first beeps already at 40km on a very steep incline, when I had ridden only off-road and hilly dirt pathways and shaky gravel cycleways, all of which are very battery consuming. I finished the trip at 55km, down to 12% battery left. I will try to restrain myself to do a full range test on pavement...

65km was my record from a local EUC meet last year, and I did reach 64km (17% battery) at this year's first meet on monday. Unfortunately I have no recollection of the battery state from last year. I think it's safe to say that if there is a difference in range, it is not huge.

Last year I settled to 2.7 bars on the original, although this spring anything above 2.5 felt like too much. I was able to improve the shock absorbers under my DIY bigfoot pedal plates, so I've been running the H-666 at 2.7 - 2.8 bars as well.

Conclusion

The H-666 is a stellar upgrade in every imaginable measure to even a new original H-5102 MSX tire. Unfortunately the larger size may be problematic if your rim doesn't run true, or if the shell is off center and can't be re-aligned to center properly. If those are non-issues, the installation is pretty straightforward when lubed properly, and the reward is a wheel that can be pushed more under all, and way more under most circumstances. I really like this tire a lot, and damn I love my wheel now!

I paid ~50€ for mine to seller "Kingstar-cn" at Ebay, who was kind enough to confirm twice that I would indeed get the correct tire, unlike all my past experiences from Chinese tire sellers. Unfortunately the seller doesn't have any items on Ebay at the moment, but I would still ask the seller directly, in case you can't find another reliable seller for the Chaoyang H-666 in 18x3.0".

 

Warning! 18x3.0" is the correct size, while 3.0-18 would be a motorcycle tire for a lot larger rim. Make sure you purchase a 18x3.0 (bicycle standard), NOT 3.0-18 (motorcycle standard)! A motorcycle size that fits is 2.50-14, and also some 2.75-14 models.

Thanks for your pointed review!

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6 minutes ago, PogArt Artur said:

Thanks for your pointed review!

Exactly!!! :thumbup:

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4 hours ago, mrelwood said:

Chaoyang H-666 

@mrelwood  this the correct tyre? I might order one but I've never put a tyre on before , i think I'm due another learning progress 😊

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7 hours ago, mrelwood said:

~200km tire review - Chaoyang H-666, 18x3.0"

 

Awesome review! Thank you so much for taking the time to write it.

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On 2/19/2019 at 10:54 AM, Alien Rides said:

Yup, I plan on making a "how to do this from scratch" video. It might be long, but hopefully it's detailed enough so that people can do the entire modification. ETA is 3-4 weeks most likely, still waiting on a few last components.

Any updates on this? 

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Just out of personal interest, anyone happen to know about any member (or non member) who did something more usable with the MSX from a perspective of riding in traffic?

Yes I understand laws/rules are different for us, but really would like to see the MSX rows of led's me swapped out for something that can work more like a street legal and functional bike (motorized), would really like to see either full on red back and white in the front and then remote control them for blinking when I take a turn i thick traffic, or maybe 50/50%? half led's in front and back stay white and red respectively and other half is orange and used only as turn signal.

I am fully aware some want their Christmas trees blinking in all the rainbows colors all the time and that's all fine, me I am boring I know but would be truly nice to have something functional, of course the mod changing lights would be child's play in itself but would be nice to see if anyone gone there and how they solved the remote control of those turn signals via small handheld remote and if going down that route...?

Hey with the correct cheap, effective and stable handheld device perhaps one could take it further, the MSX standard light in the real would need to be fixed too for constant red shine, brake light and maybe even high beam and horn on that remote? :lol:

Should I even realize my dream of a serious power wheel one day and somehow the legal bit was not too much of an obstacle well in that case and must DIY all myself, well then it would be worth the input I suppose but for MSX?

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On 5/18/2019 at 6:29 PM, MrRobot said:

Any updates on this? 

Ahh, I finally got everything I just haven’t had the time to seriously sit down and do the mod/video. Thanks for the nudge and motivation, I’ll try to make this happen.

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On 5/15/2019 at 4:40 PM, mrelwood said:

~200km tire review - Chaoyang H-666, 18x3.0"

3721314_2019-05-0410_28_20S.jpg.18d5512e913cf1274edd508623a0c336.jpg

Now that I have a few weeks down with the new tire, I feel like I can give a proper review. For more photos, scroll a few posts back up.

Size

Despite the same "18x3.0" designation, the H-666 is 0.2" wider than the original, leaving just 0.1" for clearance per side. Pinecones and the rare few pebbles that have gotten dragged in make more noise, but haven't affected the riding otherwise. Before aligning the shell the right side of the tire would scrape on the shell as soon as I put more weight on the right foot, but loosening the shell-to-pedal bracket screws (6 per side) and aligning the tire to the center of the wheel well helped some. Will do the alignment again, since it can still touch during one-legged takeoff.

Riding properties

Despite being wider, the H-666 has less tendency to stay upright during a turn. The original tire was pretty worn after 5000km, but I think even when new the original did force the wheel upright more. The difference is not huge but easily noticeable, and I consider the change to be a good one since turning at high speed takes less effort this way. I don't hear or feel additional noises or vibrations on any surface. At first I thought that the H-666 was more comfortable in taking bumps, but I'm not sure anymore. Could be that the newly pumped tire pressure settled to a lower value causing a more comfy feel. Then again, I don't feel the same little wobbly bouncing that I used to when riding down curbs or hitting larger cracks on pavement.

What is phenomenal is the H-666's directionality when transitioning from one surface to another. Pavement to gravel, and even onto soft fine gravel is no problem, the change in behaviour is unnaturally tiny.

When twisting the MSX on pavement, the H-666 turns a good bit better than the original did. The original stuck to the pavement and was very hard to turn by twisting.

Grip

The original H-5102 tire was bad at mud, wet moss, wet grass and other challenging conditions, even when new. When worn, it got dangerous. The few muddy spots I rode while the snow was melting this spring were extremely unstable despite riding at less than walking speed. I realized that I had put off off-roading several times because of the tire. And whenever I saw anything wet, I slowed down to a crawl. It was stressful.

The grip on the H-666 is magnificent on every surface, wet or dry! It is not a knobby tire, so wet mud is still slippery, but in a very predictable manner. I'm no longer afraid of the muddy spots! When trying a very steep climb onto a cliff that I struggle with even under dry conditions, the wheel lost it's grip and ability to balance very slowly and gracefully. Then I just calmly stepped off without the slightest bit of drama. Turned out the tire had been skidding on and throwing back wet moss for a good few meters. Even crossing tough 10" deep muddy ruts has been surprisingly succesful so far.

Combined with the astonishing directionality, the magnificent grip and the ability to carve better has made me ride 90° turns way faster than I've ever done. On pavement, fine gravel, and even on large loose gravel. It is an exciting new experience, to ride tight turns on bike paths at speeds that used to be unimaginable. It's humorous how quickly the turn is done!

Milage (92kg rider + gear)

Unfortunately I didn't gather any data during the tire change. The 1600Wh MSX range has started to bother me a bit this spring, but then again I ride and accelerate quite a bit faster than I used to, and I ride more off-road. Both even more now that the H-666 enables me to do so. Today I got the first beeps already at 40km on a very steep incline, when I had ridden only off-road and hilly dirt pathways and shaky gravel cycleways, all of which are very battery consuming. I finished the trip at 55km, down to 12% battery left. I will try to restrain myself to do a full range test on pavement...

65km was my record from a local EUC meet last year, and I did reach 64km (17% battery) at this year's first meet on monday. Unfortunately I have no recollection of the battery state from last year. I think it's safe to say that if there is a difference in range, it is not huge.

Last year I settled to 2.7 bars on the original, although this spring anything above 2.5 felt like too much. I was able to improve the shock absorbers under my DIY bigfoot pedal plates, so I've been running the H-666 at 2.7 - 2.8 bars as well.

Conclusion

The H-666 is a stellar upgrade in every imaginable measure to even a new original H-5102 MSX tire. Unfortunately the larger size may be problematic if your rim doesn't run true, or if the shell is off center and can't be re-aligned to center properly. If those are non-issues, the installation is pretty straightforward when lubed properly, and the reward is a wheel that can be pushed more under all, and way more under most circumstances. I really like this tire a lot, and damn I love my wheel now!

I paid ~50€ for mine to seller "Kingstar-cn" at Ebay, who was kind enough to confirm twice that I would indeed get the correct tire, unlike all my past experiences from Chinese tire sellers. Unfortunately the seller doesn't have any items on Ebay at the moment, but I would still ask the seller directly, in case you can't find another reliable seller for the Chaoyang H-666 in 18x3.0".

 

Warning! 18x3.0" is the correct size, while 3.0-18 would be a motorcycle tire for a lot larger rim. Make sure you purchase a 18x3.0 (bicycle standard), NOT 3.0-18 (motorcycle standard)! A motorcycle size that fits is 2.50-14, and also some 2.75-14 models.

@mrelwood is this the same tyre? Thanks

Msuper X: Chao Yang tire: 18X3.0/76-355, inflate 35-45 PSI

https://tec-toyz.com/products/spare-tire

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2 hours ago, mrelwood said:

It seems you can purchase either the H-666 or the original H-5102 from that site. Both with the correct 18x3.0 size.

I hope it fits my wheel straight forward I'll give it a try

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3 hours ago, stephen said:

I hope it fits my wheel straight forward I'll give it a try

You might have to work with the tire a bit to get it centered well. Otherwise it might drag on the shell. Once you do though, you’re going to have one hell of a tire!

I was able to center mine pretty well eventually. Riding one-legged with either leg would bend the shell just enough to touch the tire. Luckily I don’t need to do that besides mounting.

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