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1699 Euros for Loomo in Europe says italian HDMOTORI http://www.hdmotori.it/2018/08/30/segway-ninebot-ifa-2018-w1-loomo-z10-anteprima/

In pre sale soon (availability for november 2018) , http://eu-en.segway.com/products/have-something-that-does-anything available in many european countries like Germany https://shop.segway.com/de-de/92/-segway-loomo

Official Segway press released http://eu-en.segway.com/news-overview/segway-ninebot-is-moving-forward-with-expanded-pro

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1699 euros it's an amazing price, when many have bought it for 999$, and anothers for 1299$...

Especially since it seems that the components have not been updated since last year, attests the date of the FCC documents, unlike the Mini Pro (Ninebot S Pro) and Mini Plus (Segway S PLUS) models that have had recent changes...

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Loomo needs built in Echo/Alexa.

What is that Ninebot S Pro you are talking about... I see a small battery and 54.x Volts.... useless.  This is some new junk or is this the same as the old mini and the so-called 2018 Version in the US.

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Interesting that there was no talk of the GoKart at IFA... Could be that is not going to be released in Europe.

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10 hours ago, FreeRide said:

What is that Ninebot S Pro you are talking about...

The FCC have a photo up which shows a N3M320 310Wh and an N3M260 with a 236Wh tiny battery. Looks same as before, except with the "S-Pro" branding. Note the wheel motors look different, though (aluminum colour instead of black).

https://fccid.io/2AF2B-NB/Label/20915-NB01-Label-Label-Location-1-3889471

Here the FCC is saying that the Bluetooth has been changed a little (new PCB perhaps)?: "Ninebot S-PRO Class II Permissive Change"

https://fccid.io/2AF2B

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More "S-PRO" photos. Note that the chargers which I can read say "63V," so they are now using the full battery capacity.

Also note the N3M320 battery which claims a "320Wh" rating

https://fccid.io/document.php?id=3889469

My best guess is that Ninebot is rebranding the S-mini, S-PRO and S-PLUS it announced at IFA for sale by Ninebot themselves. But I am only guessing...There are still a few black N3M320 Factory Refurbs from Frys in the USA at $349. I bought two whites for $320 each, and have been carefully testing them against the two N3M260 I previously bought from Segway US (which are rubbish, and keep throwing me forward).

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I, instead, really hope that Loomo or the Robot parts will be either available to be bought as a kit option to be used and mounted in our actual  mini, mini Light, mini PRO and mini Plus B)

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8 hours ago, trevmar said:

The FCC have a photo up which shows a N3M320 310Wh and an N3M260 with a 236Wh tiny battery. Looks same as before, except with the "S-Pro" branding. Note the wheel motors look different, though (aluminum colour instead of black).

https://fccid.io/2AF2B-NB/Label/20915-NB01-Label-Label-Location-1-3889471

Here the FCC is saying that the Bluetooth has been changed a little (new PCB perhaps)?: "Ninebot S-PRO Class II Permissive Change"

https://fccid.io/2AF2B

Thanks.  I looked at Frys and the refurb is showing as $399 for me.  I think I have enough anyway, but if they went to $300 all in I might get a couple more.

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1 hour ago, zugu said:

I, instead, really hope that Loomo or the Robot parts will be either available to be bought as a kit option to be used and mounted in our actual  mini, mini Light, mini PRO and mini Plus B)

I think that would be a good move.  It would be cool if the Mini Segways became a true foundation building block.  They already have the Go-Kart, and I think originally Looomo was going to be an add-on.  There are some that use it as a Robot/Dolly for still camera and movie cameras.  It would make a pretty good mobile tool box. With a couple of them and a platform, they could make a cargo version.  

 

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2 hours ago, FreeRide said:

Thanks.  I looked at Frys and the refurb is showing as $399 for me.  I think I have enough anyway, but if they went to $300 all in I might get a couple more.

My N3M320 refurbs were $349 on a 'back to school' special and I got an extra $20 off for being a subscriber ordering online for an 'in-store' pickup, I think. Anyway, I only had to pay $329 plus tax, and I badly needed those 310Wh batteries! They work differently! There is something the firmware does when it only sees the 246Wh 'mini' batteries that I don't understand yet. But you can see it in the FCC labels linked above - The N3M320 is specified with an 800Watt output rating (just over a horsepower) while no max output rating is given for the N3M260 version. I suspect that they are different in a way that Segway is not telling us about.  I further think that is the reason I keep getting thrown forward when the N3M260 come across seemingly innocuous obstacles. I still need to gather more data on this...

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@trevmar

AFAIK.... N3M260 is specified as a 700Watt device, (2x 350)....<_<

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19 hours ago, zugu said:

I, instead, really hope that Loomo or the Robot parts will be either available to be bought as a kit option to be used and mounted in our actual  mini, mini Light, mini PRO and mini Plus B)

Same here.

However, the Loomo may be intended to be sold as a complete package, for some reason.

So far, for me, the Loomo does not offer a compelling reason to buy it.

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11 hours ago, zugu said:

@trevmar

AFAIK.... N3M260 is specified as a 700Watt device, (2x 350)....<_<

Zugu, that is what my measurements are telling me. And what JoJo's German data shows. And I also found out the hard way (750W version causes a 90Kg rider to be thrown frequently at innocuous obstacles). I haven't been able to trace if it is a firmware limitation or not. I suspect the Firmware just treats the N3M260 as a "mini."

I just put the 1.1.9 firmware into one of my new N3M320, and in a day or two will have a better measure on what that 750W/800W difference really amounts to. Initial tests have been very favorable - at last I have a MiniPro which behaves roughly the same as all the online videos :)  I do note that the motors in both models are apparently identical, and labelled "-350." Also the current sense resistors on the control board are the same, at 0.004 ohms. The difference is apparently in firmware.

If the N3M260 is only 750W then Segway USA have been misleading us by saying the "2018 US model" "only has a smaller battery." That "smaller battery" has meant a small pebble twisted my ankle so badly I couldn't walk for a month... Almost good again now, though... at least I can ride again.. but wearing boots this time, for better ankle support :)

 

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Well Loomo is now released in pre-sale in China, price is cheapest than european price (1254 euros/$1453 vs €1699/& indigogo campaign$1499 - USD $1,799

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