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2 hours ago, Duf said:

Yea if you saw the context it was presented it was complimentary to how cool, amazing and unique it was. In the discussion there was further detail about who was involved.  To be honest I find it very surprising someone would have felt it was necessary to create an issue out of this, but perhaps it is reason for me to not show cool EUC content in the future on the stream, you just never know what will offend someone I'll include a link to your channel/video in the live stream description and I apologize for the lack of clear attribution..   

:w00t2: I offend people all the time!  Does that stop me?  Heck no!

But in this case, it would be cool just to put a link in the description so the other creators can get some clicks, make some revenue, and continue producing great videos just like the Duf Livestream series.  It would also make it easier to see the whole video as well since I think only a part of it was shown.  Kinda like showing a good selfie-stick that you got from Amazon, and then posting a link to it.  Makes it easier to find.  It's all good.  B)  I think also in this case, a simple PM (private message) would have done the trick to get the link added.  Keep it simple, smarty.  That's what I always say!

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1 hour ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said:

:w00t2: I offend people all the time!  Does that stop me?  Heck no!

But in this case, it would be cool just to put a link in the description so the other creators can get some clicks, make some revenue, and continue producing great videos just like the Duf Livestream series.  It would also make it easier to see the whole video as well since I think only a part of it was shown.  Kinda like showing a good selfie-stick that you got from Amazon, and then posting a link to it.  Makes it easier to find.  It's all good.  B)  I think also in this case, a simple PM (private message) would have done the trick to get the link added.  Keep it simple, smarty.  That's what I always say!

It's all about 'clicks' nowadays.

For the short time that I was sitting in with Duf, I provided him a link of videos to play when/if we got a chance to look at them. It never occurred to me that we needed to provide links to the videos.

You have to remember that this is just a fun activity that we (Duf) participates in. If it becomes a job (post editing the video, adding links, etc.), then why bother?

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Yeah I know where you’re coming from exactly.  Fun’s fun until it gets annoying!  :P  But this is pretty much Youtuber etiquette from what I’ve seen from others.  For example, one cannot post clips from professional music videos or songs for longer than 5 seconds.  It’s some kinda copyright rule where sound bites are permitted, but longer than that, and Youtube will yank yer chain.

As Duf’s videos are monetized, technically he’s earning money from views so any “copyrighted” material or media produced by another Youtuber or other show within needs to be permitted / acknowledged even though it may be promoting the other video’s content.  I’m no expert, but I’ve heard of takedowns and such due to such complaints.   If you follow some of the big Youtubers with millions of followers and clicks, you see they are quite cautious about certain rules since it’s quite a big business.

Following some simple rules helps keep lines clean, other content producers happy, and everyone on a fair playing field.  Say for example, BOOM!  Duf wins the $500 million dollar Powerball!  People start watching every video he has ever  made driving clicks into the millions!  He earns a ton from his “famous” livestream episode with that crazy Wraithwheel in it, but not a penny goes to the owner of the video.  Sure he might get some residuals from people searching online for it, but no link in the description?  It’s just online courtesy to help cross promote through easy clicking.

Take also for example if you had a video doing well.  It goes viral with lots of revenue.  Say it has a movie star in it who you run across who is really interested in the wheel.  Views are in the millions.  Now take some random guy who downloads your video and reposts it with some added clickbait page.  He then gets a ton of views, but rightfully it’s your content that you worked hard to edit, upload, and promote.  That other person would be riding your coat tails when they don’t deserve it.

Sure these are all pretty far fetched examples, but weirder things happen.  Following some rules helps everyone in the end and keeps it fair.  In this case there was clearly no ill intent, and adding some acknowledgement is just the cool thing to do.  That’s not asking for much.

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52 minutes ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said:

Yeah I know where you’re coming from exactly.  Fun’s fun until it gets annoying!  :P  But this is pretty much Youtuber etiquette from what I’ve seen from others.  For example, one cannot post clips from professional music videos or songs for longer than 5 seconds.  It’s some kinda copyright rule where sound bites are permitted, but longer than that, and Youtube will yank yer chain.

As Duf’s videos are monetized, technically he’s earning money from views so any “copyrighted” material or media produced by another Youtuber or other show within needs to be permitted / acknowledged even though it may be promoting the other video’s content.  I’m no expert, but I’ve heard of takedowns and such due to such complaints.   If you follow some of the big Youtubers with millions of followers and clicks, you see they are quite cautious about certain rules since it’s quite a big business.

Following some simple rules helps keep lines clean, other content producers happy, and everyone on a fair playing field.  Say for example, BOOM!  Duf wins the $500 million dollar Powerball!  People start watching every video he has ever  made driving clicks into the millions!  He earns a ton from his “famous” livestream episode with that crazy Wraithwheel in it, but not a penny goes to the owner of the video.  Sure he might get some residuals from people searching online for it, but no link in the description?  It’s just online courtesy to help cross promote through easy clicking.

Take also for example if you had a video doing well.  It goes viral with lots of revenue.  Say it has a movie star in it who you run across who is really interested in the wheel.  Views are in the millions.  Now take some random guy who downloads your video and reposts it with some added clickbait page.  He then gets a ton of views, but rightfully it’s your content that you worked hard to edit, upload, and promote.  That other person would be riding your coat tails when they don’t deserve it.

Sure these are all pretty far fetched examples, but weirder things happen.  Following some rules helps everyone in the end and keeps it fair.  In this case there was clearly no ill intent, and added some acknowledgement is just the cool thing to do.  That’s not asking for much.

Showing a 30-second clip deep within a 2-hour video is hardly reposting a video. You care a lot more about this than I do. I think I'm out of this thread :mellow:

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Initially I was surprised the whole thing was brought up as we all know the show is just an EUC “news of the week” friendly chit chat livestream with not a huge number of views.  It mostly appeals to the truly hardcore EUC people out there and to those people who like to listen to others who are really into the sport.

I was just trying to play devil’s advocate and explain the other side of the coin just to be fair.  Kevin’s a good guy, and he was cool about it so maybe it was a good point to bring up just in case a different video is shown and a complaint is made which could demonetize or take down the video.  Then we’d all lose out with some videos being removed or Duf (who’s a good guy as well) losing out on some viewership revenue.  That’s not a win win.

Besides, a good agent helps put out those small embers before they start in the first place.  :innocent1:

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Didn't read the whole thread, but yeah, this is a business, Marty.  If not for you or someone you know, then for Youtube, of course.  They have to go by business rules they think legally defensible.  I don't think Hunka is even offering an opinion necessarily different from yours, just stating the facts of the world as it stands.

This really is how it operates at the moment.  Maybe not five seconds, but the principle holds.

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I'm on Marty's side here.

Don't put your stuff in the public sphere if you don't want people to (reasonably) use it. This isn't a legal discussion and I'm not a lawyer, but if it were, this kind of usage should be the definition of fair use.

Always sad to see these copyright maximalists, wanting the benefits of something public but refusing to accept the downsides (to them) that come with it. Please send a percentage of the money to the taxpayer who paid for everything seen in the background of pretty much every video, if you think like that.

It's sad to see this gamification (for lack of a better term) of what used to be hobbies that happens with social media (or with monetary or other secondary incentives in general). Are people uploading videos because the like EUCs, or because they just want to to build a social media presence and make money? I know this isn't exclusive and in principle there's nothing wrong if you make money with something you do anyways, but still...

I can't fault @Alien Rides here because he makes his videos in the first place (thank you!) and only asked for more clear attribution, which is 100% fine and understandable. On the web, asking for a direct link is very much justified instead of people having to look for something manually.

My problem is with people thinking they or others can demand anything.

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36 minutes ago, Duf said:

Ok, I didn't expect the original issue regarding this nor did I expect the additional, somewhat heated discussion.  Let me just tell you that I had/have a frustrating situation regarding copyright entrapment and harassment which lent to my initial response to this thread being less than enthusiastic.  In retrospect I shouldn't have even said anything about it possibly leading to not playing cool EUC video content because that is a fun aspect of the show and leads to further discussion. Punishing others for this doesn't make sense.

So while I would give two shits if someone showed one of my videos on a live broadcast that doesn't mean others feel the same way, it's the way things are. (protecting the clicks!!)

So anyway, it is a pretty easy issue for me to address.  When I collect content to show on the stream I will make sure I collect links and names which I can both include when I talk about them and throw into the video description.  However if that is not enough attribution for somebody out there, things will start to get spicy.

In summary, I'll do my best to make sure there is no lack of clarity in the future.  I appreciate the discussion and support.

:blink:  What happened there?  This is why people need agents.  Duf, :efef6b27e5:.

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Oh oh oh or ho ho ho it doesn’t matter, but for those with short term memories like mine, a friendly reminder that the LIVESTREAM is going LIVE in TWO HOURS really helps!  So grab your popcorn, cold beverages, tissues, Lubriderm, what have you and join in on the fun!  :w00t2:  What?  I got dry skin so I need a good hand cream plus the tears of joy will be flowing to see the duo back together once more!  :innocent1:

Marty “Mad Mart” Backe is back in action!  Duf and Cindy the human mobile Christmas decoration will be sharing their PEV experiences!  Don’t miss it!

 

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13 hours ago, Marty Backe said:

Thanks for stopping by guys. It was great to see @US69 and @The Fat Unicyclist from far away time zones, and many others. Re-reading some of your chats is a crack-up :laughbounce2:

Was a great show!  And yes a great chat feed!  Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

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That's weird... :blink:  I could have sworn I posted a link to the latest livestream.  Maybe my VR world is confusing me with reality!  :w00t2:  Anyhoo, here it is, or was, or shall be!   I accidentally missed it last Sunday as I was deep into VR porn research.  :whistling:  It's so real!  :w00t2:

 

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Before EUCs, I'd never spend "that much money" on a frivolous novelty like a VR headset. After EUCs, these seem laughably cheap. Cheaper than a V5F, lol. "Pricerton window" shifted successfully. Only reason I don't have one is because I might invest that money into a wheel, who knows what the future holds;)

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2 minutes ago, meepmeepmayer said:

Before EUCs, I'd never spend "that much money" on a frivolous novelty like a VR headset. After EUCs, these seem laughably cheap. Cheaper than a V5F, lol. "Pricerton window" shifted successfully. Only reason I don't have one is because I might invest that money into a wheel, who knows what the future holds;)

You really do seem overdue for a new wheel. Do you have sights on a new one for the upcoming riding season? Make, model?

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Nikola but with TO-247s in ACM-like modern body?;) Or maybe if the MCM6 is 15 inch, 3 inch wide, 1600+Wh.

Somehow I don't think I will be happy with the reduced torque and the increased cost of an 18 incher. So... I wait (and my ACM is as good as ever).

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A battery-less MSX would also be tempting, price wise. But not in Europe.

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