Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 <back to the drawing board> 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scatcat Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 22 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: Well said. This is an exciting wheel to own (even if my ownership only lasts a few weeks) and I'm always looking forward to the next time I step on the pedals. This is a very impressive wheel in person. I have a lot more riding to do, and I suppose a show stopper could be around the corner. But I doubt it. I recently visited and rode the 18L. Although certainly a nice wheel by all accounts, it doesn't stir my primal emotions like the Z10 does I kind of feel funny saying this, as the perceived Gotway guy, but I'm now anticipating my personal Z10 more than the MSuper X . Dang, and here I was just about to pull the trigger on a 84/1600 MSX... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcglider Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 On 7/15/2018 at 2:19 PM, Marty Backe said: I need another full-time video editor . Between riding, editing, sleeping, eating, and life, I've run out but your almost famous... fit right in out there in LA... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted July 16, 2018 Author Share Posted July 16, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Scatcat said: Dang, and here I was just about to pull the trigger on a 84/1600 MSX... Keep in mind that I already have an MSuper V3s+. So the MSX feels more like a refinement to me. I still bought it. Remember how we all felt when we saw the very first pictures of the Z10. Exciting as hell right? Well it feels that way when you have it sitting in front of you too. The MSX is a testerone generator wheel for sure, but I think the Z10 beats them all when it comes to primal urges. And it actually delivers. Edited July 16, 2018 by Marty Backe 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted July 16, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 16, 2018 (edited) Okay, I got this. For the discriminating buyer who just can't make up their mind, I present you the "Uni-T!" As suggested by @nte : Edited July 17, 2018 by Hunka Hunka Burning Love 11 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scatcat Posted July 16, 2018 Share Posted July 16, 2018 Just now, Marty Backe said: Keep in mind that I already have an MSuper V3s+. So the MSX feels more like a refinement to me. I still bought it. Remember how we all felt when we saw the very first pictures of the Z10. Exciting as hell right? Well it feels that way when you have it sitting in front of you too. The MSX is a testerone generator wheel for sure, but I think the Z10 beats them all. And it actually delivers. Well, at least I haven't pulled the trigger yet, but I've got a good price on it if I do. My reasons for considering the MSX is range, tire-size and width and the fact that the MOS specs and layout actually looks sane this time... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rehab1 Posted July 16, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Marty Backe said: Didn't you hear me screaming "this wheel is a blast" as I was riding the trail? Yes, it's very fun. I look forward to riding it every chance I get. Poor Mten3 ? 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted July 16, 2018 Author Share Posted July 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, Scatcat said: Well, at least I haven't pulled the trigger yet, but I've got a good price on it if I do. My reasons for considering the MSX is range, tire-size and width and the fact that the MOS specs and layout actually looks sane this time... Well, the MSX is still going to smoke the Z10 when it comes to range. Remember; No. Perfect. Wheel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted July 17, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Rehab1 said: Poor Mten3 ? That was perfect If I shrunk that down to replace my profile picture, you'd never notice. But I still love my Mten3 P.S. Oh God, I just noticed the Mten3 stuck in the trees Edited July 17, 2018 by Marty Backe 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcglider Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Hey @Marty Backe help me wrap my head around the fact that the battery in the Z is only slightly bigger than my MCM5 will have and less than a Tesla?.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted July 17, 2018 Author Share Posted July 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Marcglider said: Hey @Marty Backe help me wrap my head around the fact that the battery in the Z is only slightly bigger than my MCM5 will have and less than a Tesla?.... Well, the battery is almost 25% bigger than the MCM5 which qualifies as more than "slightly" in my book. But I don't understand the question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcglider Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Just now, Marty Backe said: Well, the battery is almost 25% bigger than the MCM5 which qualifies as more than "slightly" in my book. But I don't understand the question with that size wheel 18" amd huge tire, and the kind of riding you do, do you think it will have a range that will work... you are a range guy and mostly looking for the biggest batteries available... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post houseofjob Posted July 17, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Scatcat said: Well, at least I haven't pulled the trigger yet, but I've got a good price on it if I do. My reasons for considering the MSX is range, tire-size and width and the fact that the MOS specs and layout actually looks sane this time... Had a chance to ride the MSuperX this past weekend, excellent wheel (albeit, really just a spec upgrade on old shell moulds / infrastructure)...... but a different idea, different categories IMHO. Even the MSuperX feels more traditional in comparison, whereas the Z feels like new territory with the wide dynamics & technique (ie. I wouldn't pit a sports SUV vs a muscle car... they're 2 different wheels for 2 different purposes). Funny thing: I haven't heard too many people (if any) tout the MSuperX's combination of Chao Yang / CYT 19" tire (instead of their usual Cheng Shin / CST) combined with the higher pedal height, which is awesome! If you've been following me, you know I much much prefer Chao Yang tires for their increased butyl rubber consistency, which allows you to pump near max PSI for your bodyweight, but still retain excellent shock absorption. Obvious performance gains aside, the CYT tire combined with the higher pedals really changed my less-than-optimistic view of the minor-spec-bump-upgrade MSuperX. Considering this, the MSuperX with this CYT tire was better IMO for airtime / landing from bumps than the Z. On the flip side, because of the wider tire, the Z was better at hugging bad terrain and being less influenced by bumps, as long as there was no chance for airtime. Really really really hope Chao Yang / CYT puts out an 18" x 4.1" tubeless tire that I can swap out for the stock CST on the Z; this would be the ultimate best of both worlds! As big a pain as it is to do a tire swap on the Z, I would definitely do it for that upgrade. Edited July 17, 2018 by houseofjob 5 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Paolini Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 @Marty Backe Good stuff, I may follow you onto ownership of this one as well - you and those damn mTen3 comparisons are bad for my wallet. Also here's an idea for a video, it might be fun for you to do a video demoing the Z10, the MCM5, and the mTen3 all in one. Pick 3 tasks, one that each does better than the other, then put all 3 through the three tasks so we can see the gap (if any) between this 10", 14" and 18" wheel. I suspect it would be a popular video, not just because of the Z10 being new, but because no body really spends time talking about the differences in size and purpose. And if you want bonus points you can compare some extra wheels of the appropriate size like an mSuper X I suspect you have on order. ? (While I'm coming around on the fact I may need more than one EUC to match it to the purpose, I'm not convinced I need more than on in each *size* (or that I need a 16"inch at all? 4" increments seem pretty clean for purpose differentiation). Also I'd like to see some heavier (200 pound+ gear) riders on this. If you can't find volunteers, maybe you can add 25 pounds of water weight via a Camelbak. Or even better talk Jason into sending it to Michael Vu or I here in Austin, and we'll test it for you! Lastly, your weather isn't hot. Texas is hot. Test the sucker in heat!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcglider Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Mike Paolini said: (While I'm coming around on the fact I may need more than one EUC to match it to the purpose, I'm not convinced I need more than on in each *size* (or that I need a 16"inch at all? 4" increments seem pretty clean for purpose differentiation). I would Highly Recommend you find someone with a 16S and a Tesla before you rule out that size wheel... I have all sizes except a 10" and a monster as of yet, and the 16" is by far my favorite... at least right now... ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve454 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 2 hours ago, houseofjob said: Dunno if Chooch was aware (FWIW, we barely see his user pop-up on this forum ever), but the music speaker is IMHO on par with most current wheels, which is to say kinda OK-ish but not amazing. TBF I didn't really put it through it's paces though, especially mid-ride (as the wind can drown out most speakers from the ears of riders on said wheel). Yeah, the bluetooth speaker is not important. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Turbocharged Posted July 17, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2018 The current firmware version is 1.0.0. It has its own problems and it’s only fully compatible with the newest mainboard. All beta test units were sent back to the factory to replacement of new board and new shells. So we have no idea if the current firmware will be pushed to existing beta units. There is a good chance that the speakers for system sound will not work again on Marty’s Z10. There is a warning sound when Z is about to overheat, if the speaker works. Or, you can keep your app open, in the settings menu look for “basic information” or “other information”, you can monitor the temperature in real time, There are two temperature values, the second one (board/drive temperature) is what matters most. About Z’s power, on a flat road, it accelerates quite fast, no one would say it is under powered, but on an extended steep slope, it just gives in. I haven’t had the chance to take my production Z10 to the mountain where I reported the overheating/inferior performance problems with the beta Z10. I’ll fly to NY tomorrow and I’ll definitely test it again soon after I get back to Beijing on August 7th. 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted July 17, 2018 Author Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Mike Paolini said: @Marty Backe Good stuff, I may follow you onto ownership of this one as well - you and those damn mTen3 comparisons are bad for my wallet. Also here's an idea for a video, it might be fun for you to do a video demoing the Z10, the MCM5, and the mTen3 all in one. Pick 3 tasks, one that each does better than the other, then put all 3 through the three tasks so we can see the gap (if any) between this 10", 14" and 18" wheel. I suspect it would be a popular video, not just because of the Z10 being new, but because no body really spends time talking about the differences in size and purpose. And if you want bonus points you can compare some extra wheels of the appropriate size like an mSuper X I suspect you have on order. ? (While I'm coming around on the fact I may need more than one EUC to match it to the purpose, I'm not convinced I need more than on in each *size* (or that I need a 16"inch at all? 4" increments seem pretty clean for purpose differentiation). Also I'd like to see some heavier (200 pound+ gear) riders on this. If you can't find volunteers, maybe you can add 25 pounds of water weight via a Camelbak. Or even better talk Jason into sending it to Michael Vu or I here in Austin, and we'll test it for you! Lastly, your weather isn't hot. Texas is hot. Test the sucker in heat!!! Not enough time to do all requests. Hopefully what I do will help along with the other testers of this wheel. There's a chance that @maltocs (200-pounds) will join me this coming Saturday for the 4600-ft climb test. He will ride it half-way. Michael Vu rode it last weekend, although not extensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted July 17, 2018 Author Share Posted July 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Marcglider said: with that size wheel 18" amd huge tire, and the kind of riding you do, do you think it will have a range that will work... you are a range guy and mostly looking for the biggest batteries available... It's difficult for me to preface all my commentary, but please remember that I have lots of wheels. I have two 1600wh wheels and a 2400wh wheel. And a 1300wh wheel. So my long distance riding is covered. The Z10 fits the middle ground and looks to be able to take me on many typical rides. If I was beginning my EUC journey, and only had a ~800wh wheel like I originally did, I'd be going for the MSX. I remember at the time I really wanted to journey over that hill in the distance, and was always bummed when I had to turn around. There were no bigger wheels at the time. Then the 2400wh Monster came out. Blew my mind. Followed by more battery behemoths. We have rich choices now. So that's why the ~1000wh Z10 doesn't bother me. Same reason I bought the Tesla BTW. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mrd777 Posted July 17, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2018 9 hours ago, Marty Backe said: Except for the crappiest trolley handle on the planet I know it’s just a handle, but seriously with all the engineering that went into this wheel you certainly would think it wouldn’t be the worst handle we have seen, but it is... I thought it was pathetic too. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukasz Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 Handle is far from the best, but this is same story as with pedals - external things which can be replaced/upgraded easily.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Lee Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 9 hours ago, Marty Backe said: I weighed it (see above somewhere). About 53-pounds. Considering that the trolley handle is made from 1-mil sheet metal and the mudguard (which is very nice) is plastic, they don't contribute much to the weight. OK, for kicks I just weighed a few wheels that I have laying about. I'll let you convert to kilograms. Tesla: 41-1/2 pounds MSuper V3s+: 48 pounds Z10: 53-1/2 pounds I imagine that the MSX will weigh a little more than my MSuper V3s+ Thanks @Marty Backe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novazeus Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 anybody keeping score on thumbs up, as in the reviewer is gonna buy one, or thumbs down, no buy, for whatever reason. i keep trying to kid myself that i’m not gonna buy this wheel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted July 17, 2018 Author Share Posted July 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, novazeus said: anybody keeping score on thumbs up, as in the reviewer is gonna buy one, or thumbs down, no buy, for whatever reason. i keep trying to kid myself that i’m not gonna buy this wheel. I thought you were out 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Fat Unicyclist Posted July 17, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said: Okay, I got this. For the discriminating buyer who just can't make up their mind, I present you the "Uni-T!" Ummm… @Hunka Hunka Burning Love… IPS just called... They want their "promotional advance" back - something about Marty not going IPS-exclusive, and they are coming to Canada to "discuss in more detail?" Edited July 17, 2018 by The Fat Unicyclist Removed dictated details of blatent threats to life, limb and wheel. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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